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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#21 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:46 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::) :) ok Bassman.. I agree with you about the two guard.. how about this..
trade checker 6160947 Diop, Hendo,Biz to Detroit for Stuckey, Daye, Kratsov. Stuckey is our go to finisher along with Gordon.
We have this year and next to evaluate Stuckey at 2, Daye backs up Mkg at 3 and can shoot 3s and is 6'11"
Kratsov is our backup center, is a big 25 year old
Euro banger basically untested. but if he doen't work out we let him go after this season and use his salary and Rwills expiring to pick up another FA backup center. We cannot make this trade until after 12-15-2012.

Lets hear your take on this and other options?


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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#22 » by JMAC3 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:25 pm

The Facts are that even though we are playing really good now. We do not necessarily have guys who are going to be on our team long term.

Outside of Kemba, Mkg, Biz, and Taylor.

Guys like Haywood, Sessions, Gordon, and Warrick are not going to be here long term. We may sign one of these guys to an extension.

Then you have Mully and Hendo who will be due for contract extensions at the end of the year and who knows how much it will cost to keep them. Especially since Derozan got paid and figures to be in same tier as Hendo and then Mully is starting to get some interest from other teams as well and big men dont come cheap.

At this point I would say Kemba and MKG are only long term starters for sure with Taylor and Biz as rotation guys who can develop into starters.

We clearly need to upgrade at shooting guard, because Hendo does not fit longterm with MKG and Kemba because none are a consistent threat from behind the three. Also, we need to find a post scorer desperately who can also be a consistent rebounder.

Also, we need to decide where Biz and Mully factor in as playing the 4 or 5, because it will help us in building our team for the future.

Kemba
(Three point shooting guard)- Taylor
MKG- Taylor
Mullens- Biz
(Post scoring Big)- Biz

That would be a solid 7 person core. Obviously we are going to need to get a backup point guard for future (maybe Sessions), another solid wing player(maybe a resigned Hendo for decent price who comes off bench), and some help down low.

I would say with a lottery pick this year(2013), the picks coming from Detroit and Trailblazers, and another one our lottery picks in 2014 Draft. Coupled with a good Free Agent Signing(opposite of who we draft either big man or guard) and a few veteran signings.

We are going to be in the playoffs in 2014 and competing in the East in 2015.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#23 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:30 pm

OJ Mayo would be a perfect fit at SG with this team.

With the way he is playing its going to cost some pretty big dollars to get him though.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#24 » by JMAC3 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:39 pm

I would rather pay Mayo 10 million per then pay Hendo anything over 6 per.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#25 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:48 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I would rather pay Mayo 10 million per then pay Hendo anything over 6 per.

x2, because:
Mayo's offense >>> Hendo's offense
Mayo's defense > Hendo's defense
Mayo's BBIQ = Hendo's BBIQ
Mayo >> Hendo
...but I'm not sold on wanting Mayo to be a Bobcat just yet despite him playing well early for the Mavs
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#26 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:49 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I would rather pay Mayo 10 million per then pay Hendo anything over 6 per.



Sign Mayo, amnesty Thomas and use that $ to sign a solid big man. Alot of money for Jordan to pony up, though.
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Post#27 » by Stun704 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:50 pm

3 Team trade
Cha out: Henderson, Sessions, '13 Portland Pick
Cha In: Lamb, Maynor, Derrick Williams
Min In: Hendo
Min Out; D-Will
OKC In: Sessons '13 Portland Pick
OKC In: Lamb, Maynor

Who says no?

Kemba/Maynor
Lamb/BG
MKG/Jeff Taylor
Mully/D-Will
Haywood/Biz
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#28 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:51 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I would rather pay Mayo 10 million per then pay Hendo anything over 6 per.



Sign Mayo, amnesty Thomas and use that $ to sign a solid big man. Alot of money for Jordan to pony up, though.


Couldn't the Mavs offer Mayo a contract extension near season's end before he enters free agency?
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#29 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:52 pm

Stun704 wrote:3 Team trade
Cha out: Henderson, Sessions, '13 Portland Pick
Cha In: Lamb, Maynor, Derrick Williams
Min In: Hendo
Min Out; D-Will
OKC In: Sessons '13 Portland Pick
OKC In: Lamb, Maynor

Who says no?

Kemba/Maynor
Lamb/BG
MKG/Jeff Taylor
Mully/D-Will
Haywood/Biz


Well we would definitely be in tank mode after the trade, but could workout exceptionally well for the future.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#30 » by Stun704 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:53 pm

Be Wary that Mayo is just playing this good for a contract extension, I'd rather draft a SG Then risk another albatross contract
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#31 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:54 pm

Stun704 wrote:3 Team trade
Cha out: Henderson, Sessions, '13 Portland Pick
Cha In: Lamb, Maynor, Derrick Williams
Min In: Hendo
Min Out; D-Will
OKC In: Sessons '13 Portland Pick
OKC In: Lamb, Maynor

Who says no?

Kemba/Maynor
Lamb/BG
MKG/Jeff Taylor
Mully/D-Will
Haywood/Biz


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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#32 » by Fred Williamson » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:43 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I would rather pay Mayo 10 million per then pay Hendo anything over 6 per.

x2, because:
Mayo's offense >>> Hendo's offense
Mayo's defense > Hendo's defense
Mayo's BBIQ = Hendo's BBIQ
Mayo >> Hendo
...but I'm not sold on wanting Mayo to be a Bobcat just yet despite him playing well early for the Mavs


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Post#33 » by James Gatz » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:46 pm

Stun704 wrote:3 Team trade
Cha out: Henderson, Sessions, '13 Portland Pick
Cha In: Lamb, Maynor, Derrick Williams
Min In: Hendo
Min Out; D-Will
OKC In: Sessons '13 Portland Pick
OKC In: Lamb, Maynor

Who says no?

Kemba/Maynor
Lamb/BG
MKG/Jeff Taylor
Mully/D-Will
Haywood/Biz


Would really love this trade for us. I posted up a slightly different version on the main board: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1215038

Changed it from Maynor to Reggie Jackson who I believe they value less.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#34 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:35 pm

Fred Williamson wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I would rather pay Mayo 10 million per then pay Hendo anything over 6 per.

x2, because:
Mayo's offense >>> Hendo's offense
Mayo's defense > Hendo's defense
Mayo's BBIQ = Hendo's BBIQ
Mayo >> Hendo
...but I'm not sold on wanting Mayo to be a Bobcat just yet despite him playing well early for the Mavs


srs?


No offense, but in my very own opinion the belief that Hendo is a good defender is mythical due to the fact that he's limited to average status in every other attribute
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Post#35 » by doc.end » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:39 am

I would solve our expirings first. Better get something back then let them go for nothing. Those are:
Diop, Warrick (salary dump, big bodies)
Henderson
Williams
Mullens
Higgins (part of our future)

Mullens I think we should re-sign, I guess he won't have much desire to escape somewhere else, we gave him minutes, he got better here and they probably bonded with Dunlap a bit, so as along as Dunlap is here ffor next season, that could be another reason to stay. We should not just lose him.

Henderson, Williams - both are bit extra luxury, we play well with Henderson out and Williamms getting limited minutes (not saying we are winning because he doesn't play more). Williams is just solid piece and may flourish with more PT somewhere else, his contract is not so big to make a significant straight up move, his UFA status makes him just a candidate for deadline trade or letting him expire. Henderson is kind of Augustin 2.0 - we may keep him or just think he is not in our future plans and then it would be better to get some value for him. I fear what he could command on open market (RFA but you know how it went with Lin and such) although he is not really hyped around the league. I would rather keep us flexible than signing a big contract. And we don't even know what the draft could bring. BTW on Bulls board there is a suggestion (in the pick watch thread) to trade us our pick back for Henderson, thoughts?

Oh and I disagree Haywood, Sessions are not in our plans. Haywood is under bargain contract till 2015 and even if he regress significantly, 1.9M for a center from bench is more than bearable. Plus the local ties etc. I would say we have 3 seasons to replace him in bigs rotation. No urgency. Sessions I don't know why are you so eager to trade him. For once we have player not just asset thru its contract, a PG which actually seems to work. Instead of another Knight (Brevin - for DET fans) vs Felton, Felton vs Augustin, Augustin vs Walker. We'll see how our picks will look like next season whether it would be plausible to keep Ramon along beyond 2014, but (depends on how much he would want) I don't know why not, it is not like we need to get rid of him, as long as we are not losing him as FA, there is no need to move him unless crazy good offer appears, he is career journyman and is ok with his current role, no-nonsense guy near his home as well.

Gordon on the other hand is expiring to be and we should just wait till we can move him for pieces during draft or next year (I am not a fan to trad up this year (yet?) ). Funny thing we pay him more than our current starting lineup. Crazy we play above .500 with 5 starters combined for less than 12M.
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Post#36 » by Roll Tide 09 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:57 am

If a team needed a better bench or deeper bench, Thomas, Henderson, Williams, and even Gordon should appeal enough if a lottery team for whatever reason feels the need to do a rapid rebuild or shoot high for some reason, and it could land us decent players and GOOD draft picks!!!!! And I think Henderson to the Bulls for our own pick would be awesome!!!!!
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Post#37 » by BobsBuddy » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:48 pm

:o :( Fats...in answer to your question...Why trade Biz?
1. He has played in 66 games last year as Rook and 9 this year. He was our draft pick top 5 before that and he hasn't played like a top 5 pick. Other than blocking shots and wandering around the court,you have to agree He hasn't showed much. In my opinion DJ White showed more last year.
2.Other than putbacks at the rim he has no offense at all. No FT%, No rebound % consistency.
3. TT before he was hurt was/is a much better option for minutes, Even Warrick looked Better than Biz his first night here and is a much better well rounded vet.
4.Biz makes lots of silly mistakes ie... stepping on end lines on inbounds,missing open dunks/ layups,and completely missing defensive assignments.
5. Dunlap is a good coach and his not playing Biz tells me he has lost confindence in him fitting in on this team.
6. Biz's size and weight makes him a 4 not a 5 and other than defense /shot blocking ,He has no other skills.
7.Diop cannot play backup 5 more than 5 minutes and we desperately need a player to backup Hayward 15-20 minutes a game or he will be on IR before long. Biz is no 4 and really no 5 when he is up against both Gasols,Howard,both Lopezs, Verajao,Oakafore, Nene, Perkins, Gortat,and Bosh. He is intimadated by these players and many other Bigs.
8.Biz has bad hands and drops allot of passes in the paint.
9.His basketball IQ is non existent and he seems to be confused where he is suppose to be on plays.
10.Biz Packaged with Henderson,makes since in a trade going to a team with a young backup center and a young 2 guard coming back already under contract. :o
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#38 » by Bassman » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:08 pm

The notion of trading Biz is due to his slow start, but also based on the need of dealing some value for another team's value. Biz does not have other teams foaming at the mouth to deal for him. They see the same things we do; athletic, high energy guy who can block shots and get some rebounds (on some nights more than others), but poor skills otherwise. He is a block of wood, and if some team thinks he can be carved into a quality player, they are hung on the same "potential" tag that Cho had for the kid.

If we were to deal Biz & Hendo, it could be enough value to get a quality starter in return. I would have LOVED to get Mayo on this team, but Dallas is not sending him out. Harden would also have been sweet.
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Post#39 » by They_Them_Hatin » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:17 pm

Found this in another a gortat thread
Okc out lamb/pj3/Perkins/Dallas&own 2013 1st
Gets Gortat

Phx trades gorta
Gets lamb/pj3/diop /14 2nd

Cha trades diop/14 2nd
Gets Perkins/Dallas/okc 1st

Okc gets rid of useless players for a major upgrade at c and keeps the Toronto 1st

Phx gets 2 young prospects they wanted(lamb before Houston jumped ahead wanted late pick to get Perry but couldn't reach deal) and an expiring instead of the 17.6 million left on Perkins deal. Get a higher lottery pick for the year of the c.

We get 2 1st for.taking on more salary. I would try to flip perk for bass and a 1st since Boston is not.happy with their bigs.
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Post#40 » by BobsBuddy » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:50 pm

:( :-? :o Bassman....Was Cho even here when Biz and Kemba were drafted?...Maybe I'm wrong but I thought someone else made the decision on Biz? Silas,MJ, and Hig? Anyway its water under the bridge now.
Wonder your thoughts on this trade (6161540) which cannot take place until after December 15th allowing Hendo to come back from IR?

Chicago sends us Hamilton (1) + Naza(expiring)+Radmonvic(expiring) For Biz (3) and Hendo(1) and Higgins(2)and also agrees to extend the conditional draft pick they hold on us for another year allowing us to draft in 2013 no matter where we finish.

Why For Chicago: They get an experienced young "defensive" 2 guard to replace Hamilton and pair with Rose and Biz who can backup Noah on defense, and Higgins a extra point guard fillin for now who could be traded or waived later .

Why for Charlotte: Hamilton gives us more offense at 2 for this year and next and Gordon can backup letting Taylor play 2 or 3 as backup as needed. Both Hamilton's and Gordon's contracts would expire together after next season giving us more cap room in 2014. With Naz and Rad expiring this season we could use them as backups this season and still have even more $$$ to add with Diop and Rwill expiring's to resign Sessions, Mully and still go after a FA. AND We would guarantee having a 1st round pick in 2013. AND Still have the Portland pick for 2014 draft.

Lineup 2012-2013 season
KW, Sessions, Rwill
Hamilton,Gordon,
Mkg, JT
Mully,War,Radmonvic (TT on IR)
Haywood, Naz, Diop

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