Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others?

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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#161 » by Pimpwerx » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:32 pm

LOL @ people trying to give actual justification for the hate. There's no justification. It was completely irrational, and yes, people have been extremely hypocritical in the matter. Does it matter? Not one bit. In the end, it's just something you look back on and just shake your head at how absurdly stupid people were acting. That's it. However, you don't need to make excuses and try to pretend there was some validity in the outrage. Own up to the stupidity and move on. It's fandom. Occasional irrationality is part of the deal. PEACE.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#162 » by rockmanslim » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:31 am

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rockmanslim wrote:KG put in a decade's worth of work in Minny.

Ray Allen was coming off double ankle surgery and was seen as washed up.


First off, what does KG putting in a decades worth in Minny have to do with anything? LeBron put 7 years in Cleveland and took them deeper into the playoffs with far less talent. Second, Ray was washed up at the time? The guy was averaging 26.4 in his last year in Seattle. :roll:


The Wolves were done with KG. They tried for over a decade and it just didn't work out. The parting was mutual, Minny wanted to start over. Tell me how that compares to the Lebron situation.

Ok, I concede saying Ray was washed up is an overstatement. But Ainge did get flack for trading for a guy going on 32 y/o who just had surgery to both ankles. He was not universally lauded for that trade.

Woj wrote:Allen isn't washed up, but he's no longer one of the NBA's elite players. Perhaps this will be enough to appease Pierce and keep him from asking out of Boston, but he's no fool. This was just a move of survival out of Ainge, perhaps enough to get him and his coach, Doc Rivers, through one more season in Boston.
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Bill Simmons wrote:4:30 p.m. (PT): Thanks to rumors that the Celtics might trade the No. 5 pick, Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West for a soon-to-be 32-year-old shooting guard coming off double ankle surgeries (Ray Allen), I just spent the last 20 minutes on basketball-reference.com trying to find one great shooting guard who didn't decline significantly in Years 12 through 14 of his NBA career. Here's the list: Reggie Miller. That's it. Also, I just threw up in my mouth and some of it went up the back of my nose.
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4:34: Funny shot of 12 employees in Portland's draft room realizing they were being shown on TV, then inexplicably standing up and applauding happily. It's just like I feel about the rumored Ray Allen trade, only the exact opposite.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#163 » by 420 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:42 am

OP doesn't even begin to discuss the other super teams throughout NBA history.

To sum up your question, the national media hates successful Miami teams. From the Hurricanes to the Heat, whenever we have a good thing going, the media paints a bad picture of us and the herd eats up.
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Post#164 » by Tien » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:45 am

Edrees wrote:2010 called they want their thread back


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Nobody cares anymore.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#165 » by rockmanslim » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:51 am

2007-08 Celtics - age on opening day
KG - 31 years old
Pierce - 30
Ray - 32 (coming off double ankle surgery)

2010-11 Heat - age on opening day
Bosh - 26
Lebron - 25
Wade - 28
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#166 » by GoldKnightRises » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:27 am

They all decided to play together in their primes instead of competing vs each other, easy question...you don't do that unless you're in the twilight of your career.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#167 » by NikolaPekovic » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:56 am

because the cavaliers organization couldnt put a good enough team around him.

not his fault.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#168 » by kron » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:52 am

Lebron did cavs wrong but cavs are straight scrubs (from management to players), no one wants to play in that bum hole
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Post#169 » by hokageinfamus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:55 am

honestly if the whole decision circus didn't happen it wouldn't have been as big as it became. Most people thought he was leaving and I remember hearing around that time LBJ and Bosh were a package deal. Bosh didn't want to go to Cleveland
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#170 » by rockmanslim » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:15 am

HeatFanSince87 wrote:Paul Peirce was 28 when KG and Ray joined him.


Check your maths. Pierce was 30.


2007-08 Celtics - age on opening day
KG - 31 years old
Pierce - 30
Ray - 32 (coming off double ankle surgery)

2010-11 Heat - age on opening day
Bosh - 26
Lebron - 25
Wade - 28
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#171 » by 420 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:22 am

hokageinfamus wrote:honestly if the whole decision circus didn't happen it wouldn't have been as big as it became. Most people thought he was leaving and I remember hearing around that time LBJ and Bosh were a package deal. Bosh didn't want to go to Cleveland
I don't see how 8 days of The Decision was worse than 1 season of MeloDrama and CPSweepstakes, and 2 years of Dwightmare.

And I know people here don't care, but the decision made $3mil or so that went to charity.
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Post#172 » by hokageinfamus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:30 am

I don't see how 8 days of The Decision was worse than 1 season of MeloDrama and CPSweepstakes, and 2 years of Dwightmare.

And I know people here don't care, but the decision made $3mil or so that went to charity.



James was the reigning MVP and was from the state of Ohio. The only other player to leave his team after an MVP campaign was Moses Malone, and people felt Lebron quit in the playoffs. Remember that elbow injury?



CP3 went about the whole trade thing pretty well actually

Melodrama I dunno, I stopped caring after there was "imminent trades" every day or so it seemed

Dwightmare was worse than the decision and I have a feeling it's not over
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#173 » by Chri2Kng » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:09 am

Ratchet_Rio wrote:Looking back, the comments people made after LeBron joined the Heat are hilarious.

"He's never going to be in the MVP discussion again"

"Now he can never be Michael Jordan!!"

"When you're the MVP they come to you!!!!"


And all he's done since joined the Heat is won a title, won an MVP, been in contention for another, and enhanced his basketball legacy.


Take of your homer glass, but LeBron will never be in the same category as Jordan period. Nothing LeBron does was impressive and if he didn't win at least 1 championship, he would forever be branded as the most overrated player of all time. Nonetheless the fact he lost against the Mavs was pathetic. Jordan would have never lost or overlook his opponents.

LeBron will never be Jordan or Kobe, please get that straight through your head.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#174 » by Sleep » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:16 am

None of the other teams had a five part mini-series documenting the event. I don't believe any of them got up on stage and danced like they'd just won a title either.

The whole thing made the Heat look ridiculous and easy to root against.

This can't be a serious question. There is no comparison.
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Post#175 » by HeatFanSince87 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:30 am

GoldKnightRises wrote:They all decided to play together in their primes instead of competing vs each other, easy question...you don't do that unless you're in the twilight of your career.


Hysterical coming from a Lakers fan.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#176 » by john248 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:16 am

PetroNet wrote:The situations you mentioned are all completely different then the miami heat situation.

Lakers - howard didn't sign there as a free agent. He was traded there, and he wanted to go to brooklyn. Gasol was also traded there, years ago, and the two didn't decide together to team up.

Celtics - again, ray allen didn't sign there, they traded jeff green for him. Kg didn't sign there, they trade al jefferson for him and kg didn't even want to be a celtic at first.

Knicks - lol, how is this even relevant? Chandler is far from a star player and knicks didn't make it out of the first round.


this and just to elaborate

in none of these situations did u have 3 guys in the offseason get together and say "hey lets team up and take slightly less money with the Heat" with LBJ pretty much holding Cleveland hostage then has "the Decision" (most douche bag move ever) only to be topped by another douche move in that unveiling where the "not 2, 3, 4, 5. 6. etc." u have 2 prime perimeter players like LBJ and DWhistle who would rather team up than try and get the best of the other.

all those guys with the Celts were just out of their primes, and the Celts gave up high draft picks and Al Jefferson. and everyone was pretty much traded to their teams aside from Chandler who is fairly overrated.
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