Celtics planning offer for Gortat

sunskerr · Post #81 » by **sunskerr** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:43 am

^Well good luck with that because I really, really doubt that a trade without Bradley will get Gortat. You cannot give spare parts for a center who can score, rebound and block shots. Only the Lakers can do that.

Post #82 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:44 am

YiJiLi wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:I think you're overrating him. Very undersized SG who's obviously a good on the ball defender, but outside of that corner 3 and decent cuts to the basket, he doesn't give you much more offensively. Then again I still have hope gallinari will be an all star one day, so we all have our hangups.

Yeah except he is only 21 and has several years to go until he peaks. He was scoring 15 ppg as a starter last year, and that is just a small sample size of his offensive potential. That being said, I would not give up Bradley for Gortat. Maybe Bass+Lee+Melo+Picks for Gortat+Filler. I probably wouldn't even part with Lee though.

Not quite:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2012/

phx#7 · Post #83 » by **phx#7** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:59 am

Fischella wrote:If I'm the C's my offer would be something like Lee+Sullinger+2nd, nothing more.

Lee has no value. The Suns decided not to pursue him in free agency because they didn't want a long term investment at SG once Gordon was matched, they also preferred Kendall Marshall to Sullinger so I doubt they'd give up Gortat for him.

Kabookalu · Post #84 » by **Kabookalu** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:11 am

I can't believe Celtics fans wouldn't trade an undersized shooting guard for a legit double double center that can actually make free throws.

sunskerr · Post #85 » by **sunskerr** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:17 am

Esohny wrote:
x- wrote:I don't think the Celtics have the pieces to trade for Gortat.

Nope.

franktony wrote:It's pretty obvious that PHX would want Bradley and Sullinger to start the talks.

wfiles wrote:start with bradley and sullinger for gortat and phoenix won't hang up the phone.

Here's some reactions from non Suns/Celtics fans on the trade board.

AKFO · Post #86 » by **AKFO** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:20 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:
YiJiLi wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:I think you're overrating him. Very undersized SG who's obviously a good on the ball defender, but outside of that corner 3 and decent cuts to the basket, he doesn't give you much more offensively. Then again I still have hope gallinari will be an all star one day, so we all have our hangups.

Yeah except he is only 21 and has several years to go until he peaks. He was scoring 15 ppg as a starter last year, and that is just a small sample size of his offensive potential. That being said, I would not give up Bradley for Gortat. Maybe Bass+Lee+Melo+Picks for Gortat+Filler. I probably wouldn't even part with Lee though.

Not quite:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2012/

Whoops, excuse me, he was scoring 15 ppg during his 15 games in April.

Fo-Real · Post #87 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:21 am

Fischella wrote:If I'm the C's my offer would be something like Lee+Sullinger+2nd, nothing more.

And if you were the C's, after that offer and nothin more, you would continue to start Garnett at C. for the rest of the year and wait and see if Bradle comes back healthy, then see if he can really be productive and beat out Lee, Terry and Barbs, cause that trade gets a no. Not taking back a negative contract in Lee and we have too many Pf.s already, not to mention the front office is still hopeing to develope Morris with Scola as his backup.

Greek · Post #88 » by **Greek** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:23 am

Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

Fo-Real · Post #89 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:27 am

Yeah, Im not even sure Bradley is someone the Suns want, I know I dont like him really. Maybe they have a 3rd team inerested in the C's package, who can give the Suns what they want. I dont think the Celtics have the peices. Nobody wants Bass or Melo or Joseph and for gods sake not Lee.

AKFO · Post #90 » by **AKFO** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:32 am

Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

How is Bradley overrated? 12ppg as a starter, 15ppg in April, top 2 perimeter defender in the league, excellent baseline and backdoor cutter, can run the break very well, is only 22 years old, and has 5 years until his prime to groom his already developing offensive game. He used to be an awful shooter and now he is a great corner shooter with an excellent mid ranged jumper. He is only going to get better on that end as well. I am aware of Gortat's value as a 14 and 11 guy who can block 2-3 shots a game and protect the rim, but it is not worth giving up Bradley's start potential, in which the Celtics had a 25-7(?) record when he was in the starting lineup. And we all know how bad the Celtics started that year. I would love to have Gortat in Boston, but I wouldn't give up Bradley.
Final Offer: Bass, Melo, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, and MAYBE Lee for Gortat and a filler guy to match the salaries.

wfiles · Post #91 » by **wfiles** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:35 am

YiJiLi wrote:
Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

How is Bradley overrated? 12ppg as a starter, 15ppg in April, top 2 perimeter defender in the league, excellent baseline and backdoor cutter, can run the break very well, is only 22 years old, and has 5 years until his prime to groom his already developing offensive game. He used to be an awful shooter and now he is a great corner shooter with an excellent mid ranged jumper. He is only going to get better on that end as well. I am aware of Gortat's value as a 14 and 11 guy who can block 2-3 shots a game and protect the rim, but it is not worth giving up Bradley's start potential, in which the Celtics had a 25-7(?) record when he was in the starting lineup. And we all know how bad the Celtics started that year. I would love to have Gortat in Boston, but I wouldn't give up Bradley.
Final Offer: Bass, Melo, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, and MAYBE Lee for Gortat and a filler guy to match the salaries.

what a garbage offer. you make boston fans look bad. :lol:

smith2373 · Post #92 » by **smith2373** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:39 am

No way Phoenix accepts that offer above but I agree with everything else he said.

AKFO · Post #93 » by **AKFO** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:42 am

wfiles wrote:
YiJiLi wrote:
Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

How is Bradley overrated? 12ppg as a starter, 15ppg in April, top 2 perimeter defender in the league, excellent baseline and backdoor cutter, can run the break very well, is only 22 years old, and has 5 years until his prime to groom his already developing offensive game. He used to be an awful shooter and now he is a great corner shooter with an excellent mid ranged jumper. He is only going to get better on that end as well. I am aware of Gortat's value as a 14 and 11 guy who can block 2-3 shots a game and protect the rim, but it is not worth giving up Bradley's start potential, in which the Celtics had a 25-7(?) record when he was in the starting lineup. And we all know how bad the Celtics started that year. I would love to have Gortat in Boston, but I wouldn't give up Bradley.
Final Offer: Bass, Melo, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, and MAYBE Lee for Gortat and a filler guy to match the salaries.

what a garbage offer. you make boston fans look bad.

And I don't even expect them to accept the offer? Iim just saying that's my final offer. Without giving up Bradley, we simply don't have the assets to get the trade done. And I'm content with that because Bradley has the potential to be that good. I hope you don't think I think that offer is more than enough to get Gortat. That's just all I'd give up. Sorry bro.

COY0607 · Post #94 » by **COY0607** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:45 am

YiJiLi wrote:
Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

How is Bradley overrated? 12ppg as a starter, 15ppg in April, top 2 perimeter defender in the league, excellent baseline and backdoor cutter, can run the break very well, is only 22 years old, and has 5 years until his prime to groom his already developing offensive game. He used to be an awful shooter and now he is a great corner shooter with an excellent mid ranged jumper. He is only going to get better on that end as well. I am aware of Gortat's value as a 14 and 11 guy who can block 2-3 shots a game and protect the rim, but it is not worth giving up Bradley's start potential, in which the Celtics had a 25-7(?) record when he was in the starting lineup. And we all know how bad the Celtics started that year. I would love to have Gortat in Boston, but I wouldn't give up Bradley.
Final Offer: Bass, Melo, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, and MAYBE Lee for Gortat and a filler guy to match the salaries.

hes a good defender, but thats pushing it a little (or a lot)

Greek · Post #95 » by **Greek** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:50 am

YiJiLi wrote:
Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

How is Bradley overrated? 12ppg as a starter, 15ppg in April, top 2 perimeter defender in the league, excellent baseline and backdoor cutter, can run the break very well, is only 22 years old, and has 5 years until his prime to groom his already developing offensive game. He used to be an awful shooter and now he is a great corner shooter with an excellent mid ranged jumper. He is only going to get better on that end as well. I am aware of Gortat's value as a 14 and 11 guy who can block 2-3 shots a game and protect the rim, but it is not worth giving up Bradley's start potential, in which the Celtics had a 25-7(?) record when he was in the starting lineup. And we all know how bad the Celtics started that year. I would love to have Gortat in Boston, but I wouldn't give up Bradley.
Final Offer: Bass, Melo, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, and MAYBE Lee for Gortat and a filler guy to match the salaries.

Undersized SG, who is not something special on offense, with some injury concerns vs against legit 2 way C, who can start on almost every team aside 5-6 max, he is only 28, and barring injuries has at least 3-4 more years on this lvl, and he is on bargain deal. In my books those facts makes one overrated and the other underrated. Simple as that..

Ayt · Post #96 » by **Ayt** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:52 am

Fischella wrote:If I'm the C's my offer would be something like Lee+Sullinger+2nd, nothing more.

That is an atrocious deal for PHX. It isn't even worth thinking about.

AKFO · Post #97 » by **AKFO** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:52 am

Greek wrote:
YiJiLi wrote:
Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

How is Bradley overrated? 12ppg as a starter, 15ppg in April, top 2 perimeter defender in the league, excellent baseline and backdoor cutter, can run the break very well, is only 22 years old, and has 5 years until his prime to groom his already developing offensive game. He used to be an awful shooter and now he is a great corner shooter with an excellent mid ranged jumper. He is only going to get better on that end as well. I am aware of Gortat's value as a 14 and 11 guy who can block 2-3 shots a game and protect the rim, but it is not worth giving up Bradley's start potential, in which the Celtics had a 25-7(?) record when he was in the starting lineup. And we all know how bad the Celtics started that year. I would love to have Gortat in Boston, but I wouldn't give up Bradley.
Final Offer: Bass, Melo, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, and MAYBE Lee for Gortat and a filler guy to match the salaries.

Undersized SG, who is not something special on offense, with some injury concerns vs against legit 2 way C, who can start on almost every team aside 5-6 max, he is only 28, and barring injuries has at least 3-4 more years on this lvl, and he is on bargain deal. In my books those facts makes one overrated and the other underrated. Simple as that..

He's 22 years old. Tons of room for development

Ayt · Post #98 » by **Ayt** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:56 am

Greek wrote:Wow Bradley is so overrated, and Gortat so underrated on this thread...

It is a bunch of Celts fans who are overrating him.

Greek · Post #99 » by **Greek** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:00 am

Undersized SG, who is not something special on offense, with some injury concerns vs against legit 2 way C, who can start on almost every team aside 5-6 max, he is only 28, and barring injuries has at least 3-4 more years on this lvl, and he is on bargain deal. In my books those facts makes one overrated and the other underrated. Simple as that..[/quote]
He's 22 years old. Tons of room for development[/quote]

Who may or who may not reach his potential, against proven big on his prime, with very low salary considering his production, its not even debatable. I am not a homer or anything, i follow only Denver since KK is playing for them. Other that that i am just a neutral basketball fan.

YouTube · Post #100 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:06 am

These offers from Boston are just plain Ludacris.

Lee? Bass? Green? Melo? :lol:

If you want to keep Bradley so bad, How about Rondo/Sullinger/Melo for Gortat/Dudley/Marshall? Two can play this game.

It just seems like Tommy has like 40 RealGM accounts!