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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#281 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:44 am

I think Beal has a chance to be really good when wall comes back. He's got a bright future.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#282 » by B-easy » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:16 am

It would really be depressing if wall and nene come back and we still suck.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#283 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:59 am

I'm glad we got Beal his shot will fall sooner or later. Beal had 13 points 10 rebounds and 5 assist wizards fan should be happy he has a bright future he has a chance to be good. We looking for him to carry us we are a very bad team Beal with a healthy Nene and Wall can slowly develop into a great player. It takes some players a few years to become great you guys judging him 11 games in the season is very stupid. I think Beal and Wall has a chance to be a elite back court in the future. Maybe not this year but 2 years down the road they can be.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#284 » by Knighthonor » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:42 am

darnellm04 wrote:Sure, it's a lost season in terms of playoff contention. But it's extremely important for Wall to get back on the court at some point in the near future to continue developing individually while also establishing a foundation with Beal. That's all this season is about to me once Wall returns. I want Wall healthy, and I'm willing to watch him sit on the bench in a suit for however long that takes. Which is why I'm encouraged that the team is holding him out. Still, he's far from a finished product. He can't afford to miss the majority of a season. Too much of Wall's development and the team's depends on him playing. As for your last sentence, mind elaborating? We're bound to have a high draft pick. Why would you want us to use it on another talented PG prospect? Does that speak more to your opinion of Wall as a player, his health or his commitment to the organization?


I agree. Wizards need a Franchise SF or SG.
Maybe a C if that comes up.

Wiggins next draft.!!! Need to make sure they get that dude no matter what!!!!

And Parker!!!!!

darn it... just think,,, The Wiz could have had this guy
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#285 » by Knighthonor » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:44 am

B-easy wrote:It would really be depressing if wall and nene come back and we still suck.

Dont worry. This upcoming draft has predicted All Star talent. Hopefully the Wizards hit big in the draft... (gulp)
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#286 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:03 am

i think u might be thinking about the 2014 draft...shabazz is the only wing player that warrants a #1 pick next year, this might change as the college season goes along though
wiggins, parker (his game is as smooth as durant's), aaron gordon (check him out on youtube, you won't be disappointed), tyus jones, and the harrison twins...2014 draft looks top heavy right now
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#287 » by Knighthonor » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:04 am

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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#288 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:00 pm

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darnellm04 wrote:Sure, it's a lost season in terms of playoff contention. But it's extremely important for Wall to get back on the court at some point in the near future to continue developing individually while also establishing a foundation with Beal. That's all this season is about to me once Wall returns. I want Wall healthy, and I'm willing to watch him sit on the bench in a suit for however long that takes. Which is why I'm encouraged that the team is holding him out. Still, he's far from a finished product. He can't afford to miss the majority of a season. Too much of Wall's development and the team's depends on him playing. As for your last sentence, mind elaborating? We're bound to have a high draft pick. Why would you want us to use it on another talented PG prospect? Does that speak more to your opinion of Wall as a player, his health or his commitment to the organization?


I agree. Wizards need a Franchise SF or SG.
Maybe a C if that comes up.

Wiggins next draft.!!! Need to make sure they get that dude no matter what!!!!

And Parker!!!!!

darn it... just think,,, The Wiz could have had this guy
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iX8XUZKE8I[/youtube]


I really hope you were one of the few who were saying this before the draft. Just have to wait on Beal now.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#289 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:43 pm

Beal plays flatfooted, a great shooting guard plays on the ball of his feet with the basketball in his hands. Secondly, Beal can't even do basic shooting guard dribbling moves like sprint dribble two steps forcing the defender into a retreat position and then crossing the ball over and then sprinting to his right from crossover and slamming his man into a pick. Without a crossover dribble to your off hand and the ability to burst with the ball and then come to complete stop maintaining your dribble, you should even be allowed on the court. Newman, i am pretty sure understands this because tony parker does it all the time with his dribble but Beal, who is a high lottery pick, can't even force his man into a pick.

I can't understand why crawford is getting more than double digit minutes. He would be a good player if he actually played on the ball of his feet. He has blocks for feet. He needs those "jump higher shoes with the pylo ball on the forefoot to learn how to play on the front part of his feet. We have no clue how to develop players.

Image Dribble the ball while wearing these in practice, actually do crossover wearing these should develop superior in game crossover burst speed and body control. Beal and Crawford needs these things badly.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#290 » by closg00 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:36 pm

Wittman’s arguably biggest blunder wasn’t necessarily starting the ineffective Jan Vesely for the fourth consecutive game and getting limited production. But he may have been better off using one of his point guards – Shaun Livingston or A.J. Price – in either the first or second overtime. He also admitted that Nene was “gassed” down the stretch but never called on Emeka Okafor, who had 11 points and seven rebounds in just 21 minutes.
Wittman left the ball in Crawford’s hands and the offense looked disheveled and without structure. Plays consistently broke down and the Wizards committed three combined turnovers in the overtimes.

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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#291 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:42 pm

At least Wittman is a stand up guy. I like Randy, but he's right. This was a coaching loss IMO.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#292 » by Nivek » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:20 pm

Don't agree completely this was a coaching loss. Wittman surely didn't tell Singleton to miss that free throw that could have won the game. He didn't tell Beal to brick open looks from 3pt range. He didn't tell Nene to let Walker get that offensive rebound on a missed FT.

There were definitely things Wittman coulda done better, but the Wizards were in position to win and the players didn't execute.

Nice of him to take the blame, but that loss was truly a team effort.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#293 » by closg00 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:31 pm

+1 It was also the 2nd game in-a-row that Nene missed a potential game-winner.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#294 » by Dat2U » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:13 pm

Nivek wrote:Don't agree completely this was a coaching loss. Wittman surely didn't tell Singleton to miss that free throw that could have won the game. He didn't tell Beal to brick open looks from 3pt range. He didn't tell Nene to let Walker get that offensive rebound on a missed FT.

There were definitely things Wittman coulda done better, but the Wizards were in position to win and the players didn't execute.

Nice of him to take the blame, but that loss was truly a team effort.


Agreed, I don't know how anyone with a straight face can sit up here and blame the coach for anything considering this roster. Randy Wittman is not the problem. The stunning lack of talent & overall skill on the roster is the biggest issue. Apparently folks like hands11 & CCJ expect their coaches to perform miracles night in and night out. Coaches are is not magicians. No coach could get this roster to respectability.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#295 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:17 pm

Nivek wrote:Don't agree completely this was a coaching loss. Wittman surely didn't tell Singleton to miss that free throw that could have won the game. He didn't tell Beal to brick open looks from 3pt range. He didn't tell Nene to let Walker get that offensive rebound on a missed FT.

There were definitely things Wittman coulda done better, but the Wizards were in position to win and the players didn't execute.

Nice of him to take the blame, but that loss was truly a team effort.


I stil like Wittman as a coach. Love him to death compared to Flip Saunders. It is refreshing to see a guy who is not married to a system and who really will give anyone and everyone a chance. This coach has taken more blame in 11 games than Flip did in 164 games. He doesn't throw guys under the bus after games. He speaks his mind and isn't afraid of any player.

I think, however, Randy has done the same thing with Beal that Flip did with Wall--too many minutes too soon. I truly believe Randy likes Crawford's game too much, similarly to how Flip liked Blatche. Both players are useful but not stars. They are inefficient enough to kill a team. I think Randy's biggest mistakes have been to rely on Crawford and to unfairly cut Shelvin Mack.

One thing I have to admit, Nivek, is I've strained my brain on considering what Randy Wittman can do better with this lineup. He's been dealt some roster turmoil by Ted and EG. I THINK the best lineup right now is

PG - Price
SG - Webster
SF - Ariza
PF - Nene
C - Okafor

With Beal, Singleton, Vesely, Seraphin, and Martin off the bench. I would trade Crawford for anybody's second round pick. Livingston I am sure is useful, but I would be looking to upgrade at PG--which is what will happen when Wall returns.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#296 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:22 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:Don't agree completely this was a coaching loss. Wittman surely didn't tell Singleton to miss that free throw that could have won the game. He didn't tell Beal to brick open looks from 3pt range. He didn't tell Nene to let Walker get that offensive rebound on a missed FT.

There were definitely things Wittman coulda done better, but the Wizards were in position to win and the players didn't execute.

Nice of him to take the blame, but that loss was truly a team effort.


Agreed, I don't know how anyone with a straight face can sit up here and blame the coach for anything considering this roster. Randy Wittman is not the problem. The stunning lack of talent & overall skill on the roster is the biggest issue. Apparently folks like hands11 & CCJ expect their coaches to perform miracles night in and night out. Coaches are is not magicians. No coach could get this roster to respectability.


No, I expect you and Nivek to realize one coach can make a difference in one game, the second of a back-to-back against Charlotte.

Not playing Okafor in the overtime might have cost a few rebounds. Never playing Earl Barron when all he has done this season is play like a beast makes me wonder. He could have been great next to Nene.

Nivek is right that Singleton missed one of three FTs, but those came in desperation at the buzzer off a silly foul from Jeff Taylor. That Nene was gassed at the end IS something the coach should have noticed. Also, Bradley Beal IMO is probably the third best SG on this roster, behind Martell Webster and Cartier Martin, who CAN hit a three and get his shot off with no trouble.

Having said all of that, the thing Randy doesn't seem to realize is Jordan Crawford, likable dude that he is, will get you beat more times than not.

I am not mad at Wittman but I think coaching was largely responsible for the loss yesterday. Dat and Nivek, it's just one game and I DO THINK it would be a miracle to expect Randy Wittman to make chicken salad out of the chicken shyt roster that Ernie Grunfeld and Ted Leonsis gave him.

Take Ariza and Okafor out of the mix and a lot of the guys who are struggling (Seraphin, Vesely, Martin, Barron) to find their games or steady minutes wouldn't be struggling at all.

But again, I think Okafor with Nene--or even Barron with Nene, and NO Crawford would have resulted in an OT win last night. That's on Randy Wittman, a coach I really like.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#297 » by Nivek » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:22 pm

I agree dat. Wittman isn't The Problem. That said, I don't think he's the solution either. I've said this before, but I think the franchise needs a major reboot. New GM and front office. New coaching staff. Definitely an upgraded and improved roster. Perhaps that roster could be constructed around people who are good basketball players instead of good athletes who MIGHT be good basketball players if they "develop" things like the ability to shoot, dribble, set/use screens, play team defense, properly execute plays...you know if they learn how to play basketball.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#298 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:26 pm

I didn't say Wittman was the problem, either. He is not. But I do think he should have won last night.

Flip relied on Blatche too much. Jordan Crawford is not the answer to Randy's roster dilemma.

Nivek, we DEFINITELY AGREE on the solution. I like the list of names and in depth suggestions you have come up with but: GM Troy Weaver and HC Dave Joerger is the best of all worlds.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#299 » by Dat2U » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:28 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:
darnellm04 wrote:Sure, it's a lost season in terms of playoff contention. But it's extremely important for Wall to get back on the court at some point in the near future to continue developing individually while also establishing a foundation with Beal. That's all this season is about to me once Wall returns. I want Wall healthy, and I'm willing to watch him sit on the bench in a suit for however long that takes. Which is why I'm encouraged that the team is holding him out. Still, he's far from a finished product. He can't afford to miss the majority of a season. Too much of Wall's development and the team's depends on him playing. As for your last sentence, mind elaborating? We're bound to have a high draft pick. Why would you want us to use it on another talented PG prospect? Does that speak more to your opinion of Wall as a player, his health or his commitment to the organization?


I agree. Wizards need a Franchise SF or SG.
Maybe a C if that comes up.

Wiggins next draft.!!! Need to make sure they get that dude no matter what!!!!

And Parker!!!!!

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I really hope you were one of the few who were saying this before the draft. Just have to wait on Beal now.


Probably not, but color me still skeptical on Barnes' potential for stardom. If he was the Wizards pick, my guess is he would be struggling as much for the Wizards as Beal is, if not more. Barnes has shot well thus far, but he's also been extremely low usage. So they're not asking him to carry a heavy load, like were asking of Beal. His ball-handling and ability to get into the paint is arguably even more in question than Beal's.

I never liked Barnes at UNC, because his motor never ran high, he always played in 2nd gear (A bad sign of things to come IMO) and his offensive skill-set never matched his reputation as a #1 scoring option. It appears like he's been showing more effort, especially on the defensive boards but long term I still have a problem seeing anything more than a role player and a 4th or 5th option unless he raises his skill level a few notches and he's consistently giving 100%.
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Re: GT: Wizards host Bobcats - Nov 24th 7 pm 

Post#300 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:50 pm

Its Depressing you guys bring down Beal and on the Barnes band wagon no one here beside 7 day dray wanted Barnes we was in love with Bradley Beal. I still love Beal and still believe he has more upside then Barnes. Beal is just a rookie he has shown he can be an all around player his shots will start to fall some point.
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