The Trade Thread

Liver_Pooty · Post #61 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:50 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Stun704 wrote:barganis trash. he may be a more consistent shooter but mullens is a way better rebounder plus isnt on the albatros contact bargani has, no team will ever win a ring with that pussy as a starter. any team with him on it will be doomed to mediocrity at best

This, but in less demeaning words

HornetJail · Post #62 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:31 am

He could even backup the 3 as a shooter or something. He's capable of that IMO. He's a PF/SF who's been forced to play center by the idiots who the run the Raptors organization. He's better than Ben Gordon and he plays a position we lack depth at. His contract runs a year longer than Gordon's. He's overpaid a bit, but he was a 15-20ppg scorer. I think a lot of people forget that.

Haywood/Biz/Mullens
Bargs/Mullens/Biz
MKG/Bargs/JT
Hendo/JT
Kemba/Sessions

Kembastockton · Post #63 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:49 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:He could even backup the 3 as a shooter or something. He's capable of that IMO. He's a PF/SF who's been forced to play center by the idiots who the run the Raptors organization. He's better than Ben Gordon and he plays a position we lack depth at. His contract runs a year longer than Gordon's. He's overpaid a bit, but he was a 15-20ppg scorer. I think a lot of people forget that.

Haywood/Biz/Mullens
Bargs/Mullens/Biz
MKG/Bargs/JT
Hendo/JT
Kemba/Sessions

Barniani is forced to play 4/5 because he isn't quick enough to guard any other position. He is no where a three. He isn't quick enough to guard the slowest three in the nba.

Stun704 · Post #64 » by **Stun704** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:57 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:He could even backup the 3 as a shooter or something. He's capable of that IMO. He's a PF/SF who's been forced to play center by the idiots who the run the Raptors organization. He's better than Ben Gordon and he plays a position we lack depth at. His contract runs a year longer than Gordon's. He's overpaid a bit, but he was a 15-20ppg scorer. I think a lot of people forget that.

Haywood/Biz/Mullens
Bargs/Mullens/Biz
MKG/Bargs/JT
Hendo/JT
Kemba/Sessions

Lol Bargani is trash end of story, Barfs wishes he could perform like BG in that bulls and celtics series.. Him being better then Gordon is the most absurd thing i've heard all day.

mrknowitall215 · Post #65 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:00 am

Stun704 wrote:Lol Bargani is trash end of story, Barfs wishes he could perform like BG in that bulls and celtics series.. Him being better then Gordon is the most absurd thing i've heard all day.

debo23 · Post #66 » by **debo23** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:25 am

we need to package who we can for Ed Davis ASAP, the kid is itching to breakout and would love for it to happen with the cats. Would Biz work straight up or would we have to package taylor or reggie to make it work?

Liver_Pooty · Post #67 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:32 am

debo23 wrote:we need to package who we can for Ed Davis ASAP, the kid is itching to breakout and would love for it to happen with the cats. Would Biz work straight up or would we have to package taylor or reggie to make it work?

I wouldn't give Biyombo for him straight up let alone including Taylor.

Elden Payton · Post #68 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:04 am

That's 'silly' though, Biz holds more value and Toronto would take that trade and run, Ed Davis has been that underwhelming we would probably get him for Reggie Williams straight up.

MPM · Post #69 » by **MPM** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:18 am

I'm by no means a Tarheel homer, but Ed Davis is the type of piece it would be smart to go after. With Jonas V. in the mix, Davis' minutes have been cut in half from last year. The Raps seem to have little choice but to let him wither on the vine while they develop JV and feed unwarranted minutes to Bargs. Davis is productive - a physical rebounder who shoots a high percentage, second highest PER on the team (if you suscribe to that stat), and could obviously help seriously bolster our weak front court. After putting up 15/14 against the Spurs the other night, his value is high though (esp. among Raps fans, many who feel he should start ahead of Bargs), and I don't think Reggie Williams (even if you add a second rounder) would get it done. I'm not high enough on Davis to give up on the Biz project, even though Davis would obviously give us much more production in the short term.

A realistic scenario for both teams would be Diop's expiring (and perhaps Williams) for Davis and the extra year of Kleiza's crappy contract (player option in 13-14, for about 4.6 mil). This allows us to turn an expiring into a strong, young asset, while the Raps add a lot of cash to Calderon's expiring to go shopping in the off-season. Kleiza basically takes on the Williams' role, albeit at a higher price. This being stated - and although I do think this is a relatively fair trade - I'd still be extremely torn between banking the Diop dollars or pulling the trigger. Adding Davis to the Mullens, Biz, Warrick, and TT mix is bound to leave us a little lop-sided and perhaps create some unhappiness/chemistry issues. I just don't see a lot of other 'realistic' options trade-wise that would make it happen.

Elden Payton · Post #70 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:38 am

Ok so I was exaggerating but you make a great point with the Gana corpse and taking Kleiza.

I would do it in a heartbeat.

MPM · Post #71 » by **MPM** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:46 am

Sik Infant wrote:Ok so I was exaggerating but you make a great point with the Gana corpse and taking Kleiza.

I would do it in a heartbeat.

Yep, think I would pull the trigger as well. Although I would have some minor misgivings, the fact that marquee FA's won't be lining up to play in CLT (yet), would make this a solid use of the "corpse" contract

Post #72 » by **Diop** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:01 pm

I would do that trade in a minute.

If minutes became an issue, cut Warwick and let tt rott.

MPM · Post #73 » by **MPM** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:22 pm

Sachmo wrote:I would do that trade in a minute.

If minutes became an issue, cut Warwick and let tt rott.

Raps fans may disagree with the value of the trade, but I honestly think it's fair. Getting rid of Kleiza and taking on Diop's expiring equals an additional 13 mil in their pocket for the offseason. That's a lot of value. Toronto is a little different from CLT in that it has an appeal to Euro players, so their FO may be more able to put the Diop dollars to use in FA than we are.

mrknowitall215 · Post #74 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:48 pm

Despite the shortage of playing time, Raptors fans love Ed Davis and the potential that he has just as much as some of you do. Their problem is with the way how the coaching/management handles things, and Davis' minutes is one of those things. No way would they trade Davis for an ineffective expiring like Diop. They would go into a outrage

Liver_Pooty · Post #75 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:09 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Despite the shortage of playing time, Raptors fans love Ed Davis and the potential that he has just as much as some of you do. Their problem is with the way how the coaching/management handles things, and Davis' minutes is one of those things. No way would they trade Davis for an ineffective expiring like Diop. They would go into a outrage

I considered posting a trade scenario for Davis on their board, but given the temperament of Raptor fans these days I thought I would save myself from an eventual gang bang,

doc.end · Post #76 » by **doc.end** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:17 pm

If we are to absorb Bargnani, I would design that trade around getting rid of Tyrus.

JT2006 · Post #77 » by **JT2006** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:44 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:The bobcats send to Portland
Tyrus Thomas & Jeffrey Taylor & 2nd rd pick

The Trailblazers Send to Charlotte:
Wesley Matthews

Let's face it, Matthews is one of the blazers best young players, but they may look to get the most out of him before FA becomes an issue. It would be hard to see Matthews wanting to stay in Portland on a long term deal. Out of this deal Portland gets a players who looks like he could use a fresh start in Tyrus Thomas, a young guard who can play shutdown D in Jeff Taylor, and a 2nd rd pick to add depth.

This trade makes perfect sense for Charlotte. Wesley Matthews could be the piece that makes the Bobcats a perennial playoff team. This shores up the 2 spot and makes Gerald Henderson a tradeable piece who has pretty good value. We could get a draft pick here and get an athletic big through the draft. Contract situations are also fixed and we could take a serious look at giving Matthews a long-term deal.

Thoughts, questions, suggestions?

I think they might have to choose between Mathews and Batum, and they clearly want Batum. You may be on to something, but why Taylor?

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:How about this: Shawn Marion and Vince Carter for Diop, Warrick, 2014 2nd. Marion can mentor MKG (I think Marion is the closest comparison I can think of for MKG) and Marion would hold down the 4 spot quite nicely. We can trade VC to a contender. Dallas needs size now with all the injuries they have, plus they want to clear as much cap space for 2013 free agency.

Makes us too good and Dallas too bad. They seem interested in winning games this season.

ntsap wrote:I don't think either team gives up on these 2 yet because they are rookies but fit wise they are perfect
Bobcats trade Bismack biyombo/ Jeff Taylor
Gets Thomas Robinson
Yes I consider biz a rookie
Why we need a scoring big. Trob is more of a scoring big.
Kings need a shot blocker next to cousins. Kings were playing good when they had dalambert at c and cousins at pf.
The kings are trying to balance their roster.

I know both are struggling and are projects but they balance each teams roster.

I think Biz is a better project for us than Robinson.

Stun704 · Post #78 » by **Stun704** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:49 pm

As much as I love biz I'd trade him for T-Rob straight up, I feel that T-rob is just in the wrong system, as Great as MKG is, Dunlaps system is almost perfect for him, I think we'd be gushing as much for T-Rob if we had drafted him instead, because he'd be perfect for this system as well.. having Both T-Rob and MKG? well damn....

Kemba/Taylor/MKG/T-Rob/Future Center is the building blocks of a contender IMO

However if we could get T-Rob somehow without trading Biz I'd like that even more...

Sessions + Det 1st + Portland 1st for T-Rob and Udrih?

Kemba/Taylor/MKG/T-Rob/Bismack

MPM · Post #79 » by **MPM** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:52 pm

doc.end wrote:If we are to absorb Bargnani, I would design that trade around getting rid of Tyrus.

I am trying to imagine the utter gloriousness of a Mullens/Bargnani frontcourt.

HornetJail · Post #80 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:06 pm

Stun704 wrote:As much as I love biz I'd trade him for T-Rob straight up, I feel that T-rob is just in the wrong system, as Great as MKG is, Dunlaps system is almost perfect for him, I think we'd be gushing as much for T-Rob if we had drafted him instead, because he'd be perfect for this system as well.. having Both T-Rob and MKG? well damn....

Kemba/Taylor/MKG/T-Rob/Future Center is the building blocks of a contender IMO

However if we could get T-Rob somehow without trading Biz I'd like that even more...

Sessions + Det 1st + Portland 1st for T-Rob and Udrih?

Kemba/Taylor/MKG/T-Rob/Bismack

I think that's an overpay for us and bad fit for Sacramento, not to mention Udrih hasn't been in Sacramento since the Stephen Jackson trade. They'd need a front court player back. They already have Evans, Thornton, Thomas, Aaron Brooks, Garcia, and Salmons. Adding Sessions would be useless to them, and I think Sessions has been a big part of our success so far. I wasn't huge on T-Rob, but I think I'd trade Bismack straight up for him if the Kings asked.