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Post#1 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:08 pm

Beal, Wall, and Ariza-- are a playoff tandem if they develop "handspeed". This unit is a lock down unit defensively.

Are a great tandem and both suffer the same problem. Dribbling skills with their off hand and the ability to attack the defenders lead foot because they can't cross the ball over fluidly while crouching and keeping all body weight on the ball on their feet the entire time they are dribbling the ball.

Best solution for both of them is to sit n the edge of a metal bench and while sitting, cross the ball over from right to left and catch the ball on the crossover with your off hand and dribble the ball twice, then cross the ball back over to your right. Dribble two times and in mid dribble, cross the ball backover to your off hand, dribble two times, cross it through your legs, while sitting. If you fumble the ball in this drill and you are a small forward or a shooting guard, your handles needs serious work. Based on what i see, both Ariza and Beal lack serious hand speed and ability to change directions while staying low to the ground. Leonsis should personally see to it that both these players are sitting on the bench and crossing it over between their legs. Should be the staple drill for any player who plans on attack the basket from the foul line.

Vesely should be doing this drlll five hour a day, his hands speed and coordination are absolutely terrible. Booker is another player who can't manipulate a defenders defense stance with his dribble out on perimeter. Vesely, Booker, Beal, and Ariza. I see a pretty good improvement in Singleton's handle from last year so i don't know if he needs it has much. Oh defintely crawford, his ability to change the ball from one side to the other side of body wihout turning it over is absolutely atrocious. If we don't have a solid plan for keeping ariza, then i say don't waste the time developing him, but Vesely, Booker, and Beal's valuable will all increase if Leonsis instructs management to force this drill for two hours straight with anti fumbling results. Teh first day, doing this drill will cause your deltoids to be sore because players who have weak handles usually have very poorly developed deltoids and each time you accelerate the ball through your legs while sitting on the edge of a narrow bench, its like doing a small curl. But after crossing the ball over about 500 times, you start to get a burning sensation in your deltoids which is a sign that you are starting to develop the fine motor muscles of your deltoids for elite ball dribbling. I say 3 hours or about 2000 dribbles a day sitting on the bench crossing it over smoothly between legs, catching the crossover live dribble with your off hand--in the same motion dribble teh ball two times outside your knee while dribbing, and after two dribbles cross the ball back through your back to your dominant hand. dribble two times and mid dribble cross it back over to your non dominant hand while sitting on the edge of a bench

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Post#2 » by Nivek » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:38 pm

If they do this drill while sitting on a wooden bench, will they still develop hand speed?

Also, how come the video shows a guy in an office chair?
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Post#3 » by AFM » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:08 pm

Can they bring the chair with them out on the court?
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Post#4 » by montestewart » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:00 pm

AFM wrote:Can they bring the chair with them out on the court?

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Post#5 » by DaRealHibachi » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:13 pm

This thread made my day... Thanks WizD!

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Post#6 » by pancakes3 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:14 pm

1 - Crawford and Beal are definitely much better ball-handlers than anyone on this board, and surely better than that youtube video.

2 - The youtube guy can't keep the 3-dribble rhythm for more than 5 go-arounds at a time without gathering the dribble with "stabilizing bounces" which really detracts from the credibility.

3 - The "real" drill is done on a bench instead of angling the crossover leg out like that. It makes for a smaller hole for the ball to go through and demands more precise bounces.

4 - It'd be nice if the youtube guy didn't carry the ball every other dribble too.

5 - The main muscle you should be worrying about is the lower back. To stay low to the ground while still maintaining a straight back (to better keep your head up) is killer on core. I don't think I've ever heard of a basketball player complaining about sore deltoids. I guess they would if the entire workout was done sitting...
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Post#7 » by blazinskillz » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:20 am

I don't think Wall is a bad ball handler. His handles are decent to good but not on par with Irving, Rose, Jcrossover etc.

I would put Wall's handles on par with Westbrook, Tony Parker(not quite). In that he Doesn't have to do a lot of dancing to go where he needs be. Now if only he can develop a pull up similar to the two
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Post#8 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:33 am

Just imagaine if Vesely, Booker, and Beal could move laterally with explosiveness and then stop and change direction. Oops, all three of them can because they are physically gifted lateral movers---DEFENSIVELY on the PERIMETER. All three have exceptional lateral quickness, and the only way to use that lateral quickness on OFFENSIVE is to develop the abilty to easily change the ball from left to right side of your body and back to your left while staying low to the crowd and maintaining your dribble.

ARIZA, BEAL, VESELY, BOOKER< CRAWFORD, WALL --- none of these guys has shown an ounce of improvement as far as their lateral offensive live ball dribble movement on the perimeter offensively. IT's the reason why they can't draw fouls attacking the rim from the perimeter. Just imagine if Vesely could handle the ball while sitting in a chair, or even booker, with their athletic gifts, they easily turn into blue chip trade pieces at the very least.
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Post#9 » by montestewart » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:25 am

WizarDynasty wrote:Just imagaine if Vesely, Booker, and Beal
could move laterally with explosiveness
and then stop and change direction.
Oops, all three of them can because
they are physically gifted lateral movers---
DEFENSIVELY on the PERIMETER.

All three have exceptional lateral quickness,
and the only way to use that lateral quickness
on OFFENSIVE is to develop the abilty to easily change
the ball from left to right side of your body
and back to your left while staying low
to the crowd and maintaining your dribble.

ARIZA, BEAL, VESELY, BOOKER< CRAWFORD, WALL ---
none of these guys has shown an ounce of improvement
as far as their lateral offensive live ball dribble movement
on the perimeter offensively. IT's the reason why they can't
draw fouls attacking the rim from the perimeter.
Just imagine if Vesely could handle the ball while sitting
in a chair, or even booker, with their athletic gifts,
they easily turn into blue chip trade pieces at the very least.
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Post#10 » by Knighthonor » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:44 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWmoSttOm_A[/youtube]

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Post#11 » by Nivek » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:52 pm

How does sitting in a chair doing dribbling drills build lateral offensive live ball dribble movement on the perimeter offensively?
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Post#12 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:29 pm

Knighthonor wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWmoSttOm_A[/youtube]

check out Wall



I like this video. Obviously i am a huge john wall fan, but if he had the ability to stop and change directions without being out of control while keeping a live dribble, the wizards would be much better. Once John Wall is going full speed, he rarely ever can stop his body and change directions because he usually loses his dribble. I said in my "Sign Livingston Thread" Wall has off the chart intangibles but he doesn't have great dribble control changing directions at highspeed which is what is keeping him from being a beast. Basketball IQ will always be average but unbelievable leadership, unbelievable heart, loves basketball, great hardworker on and off the court, and his team feeds off his heart and passion along with unbelievable speed and first step, explosiveness and aerial body control. He's is a franchise player that needs to develop his low dribble handspeed. But I think Vesely and Booker actually would be close to wall in terms of how unstoppable they would be if they developed live low dribble ball handspeed. If you look at the video at frame 51 seconds, you see where he can make major improvements, ball should be at his knee, not above his waist.
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Post#13 » by closg00 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Houston sent Donatas (a guy with a skill-set Vesely could only dream of having) to the D-League.
Why isn't Vesely playing 30 min a night in the NBDL?
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Post#14 » by nate33 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm

Normally, I'm not a fan of the D-League being used to develop big men. The bigs in the D-League stink so bad. But with Vesely, there might actually be some merit to the idea. The kid desperately needs to develop the confidence to do something with the ball on offense other than play hot potato.

I don't think it'll make any difference though. Vesely is utterly incompetent on offense. Any guy who airballs free throws as often as he does just doesn't belong in the league unless he's an elite defensive big. Unfortunately, Vesely doesn't look like he'll ever develop the lower body strength to compete with NBA bigs physically. There is no Joakim Noah potential (at one time, I foolishly thought there was). There is only Jared Jeffries potential, but with even worse ball skills on offense.
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Post#15 » by cwb3 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:03 pm

nate33 wrote:Normally, I'm not a fan of the D-League being used to develop big men. The bigs in the D-League stink so bad. But with Vesely, there might actually be some merit to the idea. The kid desperately needs to develop the confidence to do something with the ball on offense other than play hot potato.

I don't think it'll make any difference though. Vesely is utterly incompetent on offense. Any guy who airballs free throws as often as he does just doesn't belong in the league unless he's an elite defensive big. Unfortunately, Vesely doesn't look like he'll ever develop the lower body strength to compete with NBA bigs physically. There is no Joakim Noah potential (at one time, I foolishly thought there was). There is only Jared Jeffries potential, but with even worse ball skills on offense.


Ouch. . .that's cold. . .likely true sadly, but cold. I still wonder WHAT the Wiz brass saw from Jan in Euroball that made them think he had NBA potential. He seems to run around a lot, but thats all I see.
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Post#16 » by Nivek » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:04 pm

Jeffries is a good comp for Vesely. And Jeffries was colossally overrated coming out of college. In YODA, I actually had Jeffries with a don't draft rating after his soph season. The ONLY reason he got as much playing time as he did was because he was a lottery pick. And then Isiah gave him that nutty contract.
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Post#17 » by dobrojim » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:08 pm

Knighthonor wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWmoSttOm_A[/youtube]

check out Wall



still leaning back on his J

do we know when this was recorded?
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Post#18 » by nate33 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:32 pm

A while ago. I think it was real early in the offseason.
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Post#19 » by Dat2U » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:38 pm

cwb3 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Normally, I'm not a fan of the D-League being used to develop big men. The bigs in the D-League stink so bad. But with Vesely, there might actually be some merit to the idea. The kid desperately needs to develop the confidence to do something with the ball on offense other than play hot potato.

I don't think it'll make any difference though. Vesely is utterly incompetent on offense. Any guy who airballs free throws as often as he does just doesn't belong in the league unless he's an elite defensive big. Unfortunately, Vesely doesn't look like he'll ever develop the lower body strength to compete with NBA bigs physically. There is no Joakim Noah potential (at one time, I foolishly thought there was). There is only Jared Jeffries potential, but with even worse ball skills on offense.


Ouch. . .that's cold. . .likely true sadly, but cold. I still wonder WHAT the Wiz brass saw from Jan in Euroball that made them think he had NBA potential. He seems to run around a lot, but thats all I see.


I've been calling him the next Jared Jeffries before he was drafted and sadly he can't even live up to that low standard. I think he just has terrible hands. It was just a rumor before the draft but looking at total lack of feel on his shot and the fact he treats the ball like a hot potato every time he touches it leads me believe this guy has some of the worst hands in the league. Even Kwame Brown could dominate in practice. I don't think Vesely could dominate a family picnic.

Right now he's going the Pecherov route. He'll be out of the league by the end of his rookie contract unless he starts progressing.
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Post#20 » by nate33 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:41 pm

I was so disappointed when I saw Vesely get pushed around by everybody this year. I had hoped that the bulk he added in the offseason would allow him to match up with bigs, but I was wrong. He is a weakling. He tries hard but he gets thrown around like a rag doll down there. That's not going to change.

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