Trade Targets

[NyCeEvO]

Do you think the Wizards would really want MarShon though?

[JerseysFinest]

Do you think the Wizards would really want MarShon though?

That's the thing, not sure if they'd really want him or not. Talented young player, but the fact that he's in Avery's doghouse isn't really helping his value on the market. Maybe they view him as a piece they can add to their core group of guys?

[vincecarter4pres]

If Jordan Crawford was drafted in the second round he'd be in the poorhouse right now. Or maybe someone's house, doing kitchen renovations or stealing their silverware. Possibly setting up your router and network.

[AntwanBoldin]

Cancel all trade ideas. Humphries must finish out the year in case Boston makes it into the playoffs

[ecuhus1981]

Let's examine Varejao vs. Nene for a minute:

CONTRACT - Varejao
HEALTH - Varejao
OFFENSE - Nene
DEFENSE - Varejao
REBOUNDING - Varejao
PASSING - Varejao

Also, although neither are pure PFs, Varejao has more experience and success than Nene at the position, next to pure low-post Cs like Ilgauskas and O'Neal. This year, AV is actually averaging just a bit better PER versus his opponent at PF, according to 82games. Andy's hot start may have put him out of our price range, but I'm hoping he comes back down to Earth by the time Kris is eligible to be traded.

No one is saying that Nene is garbage. But he's not a great defender, just a very good man defender and a pretty good P&R defender OF CENTERS. Against PFs, limited stats say he's below average. He's a 'meh' rebounder, but we need to surround Brook with glass-cleaners. Add in a gnarly contract and health concerns, and I don't want him.

[JoseRizal]

Cancel all trade ideas. Humphries must finish out the year in case Boston makes it into the playoffs

Hump will play Scrooge on our Christmas game...

[Ronito]

You know who would be a nice fit? Mason Plumlee.

[vincecarter4pres]

Let's examine Varejao vs. Nene for a minute:

CONTRACT - Varejao - Who cares?
HEALTH - Varejao - Completely, absolutely false and not even close
OFFENSE - Nene
DEFENSE - Varejao - Disagree
REBOUNDING - Varejao
PASSING - Varejao - No. This is Nene. Where are you dreaming this crap up?

Also, although neither are pure PFs, Varejao has more experience and success than Nene at the position, next to pure low-post Cs like Ilgauskas and O'Neal.

More made up nonsense.

Side Show came off the bench with these guys a lot of the time and has played pretty much exclusively center since 09, similar to Nene more or less...

This year, AV is actually averaging just a bit better PER versus his opponent at PF, according to 82games.

How do people use sites like this and then ignore or completely BS about the other stuff which is easily debunked using the same site and same pages?

Andy's hot start may have put him out of our price range, but I'm hoping he comes back down to Earth by the time Kris is eligible to be traded.

Yeah, they want a lot for him, it's been said publicly since last year.

No one is saying that Nene is garbage. But he's not a great defender, just a very good man defender and a pretty good P&R defender OF CENTERS. Against PFs, limited stats say he's below average.

Stop it. Limited is not the word. The sample size is tiny. Regardless, defending the pick and roll is about the switch onto the ball handler or the finisher, pop man, it should change much of anything.

Nene is also a good weakside shot blocker as well.

He's a very good defender and excels in the areas Lopez is deficient in, I don't understand all the resistance from everyone?

And limited stats show Side Show is a **** defender of power forwards and in a sense, anyone as an in general. Again you're doing it.

He's a 'meh' rebounder, but we need to surround Brook with glass-cleaners. Add in a gnarly contract and health concerns, and I don't want him.

Who cares about the contract? It ends in 2016 and that's what counts, we're over the cap for the next 4 years and in the tax by far, no way around that.

A true case of, we don't pay it, so who cares?

He's better then a meh rebounder, he's at least average by any per36 or advanced and they count because he plays enough minutes to make them valid.

Also, he won't always be on the floor with Lopez.

Also, why does everyone always ignore stats that kill their arguments? Like the 7 of top 11 teams not having a double digit rebounder on their roster?

Or the Nets being a top rebounding team as is while being a poor defensive rebounding team, yet Nene is a strong defensive rebounder?

And again, health concerns? Andy is made of glass held together with peanut brittle, Elmer's and some double sided tape. The guy is a walking talking half year plus stint on the IR with surgery to end it til the next year of hope. He's the same age as Nene as well, almost to the day!


I love to see a fair comparison and I've went through the stats and such myself a number of times and so I can understand and see the argument for Side Show, but I hate when people BS, pretty much lie to push an agenda on a damn sports website.

You like Andy V over Nene, that's cool, it's a legitimate debate for sure, but why make up a bunch of **** and ignore reality, common sense and the same type of stats you're trying to use to prop up your guy?

And you know you have a history of that.

It's all just kind of annoying and silly.

[vincecarter4pres]

Like why do people need to BS with elaborate fake arguments?

I like players with worse stats sometimes, maybe they're a worse fit, IDK, but I prefer that player, but I'll say it, well I'll say my reasons for why I like that player, even if it's unquantifiable on paper.

But what I'm not going to do is bait and switch.

/end rant

/i think

[Jersey Generals]

The award for most epic meltdown of the night goes to...


No, but seriously, that was nice. And now I think I know who Vince is in real life. He's a pasty, hilarious white guy, who likes the Mets for some reason. Also known as...



Avalanche on the AV vs. Nene bull mountain.

[vincecarter4pres]

LOL.

It's not even some of what he's saying about Varejao is untrue, it's that he's inferring the opposite is true for Nene.

They both played PF 4 to 7 years ago. So why act like only one has?

IDK haha, I can't fall asleep, so what better way to tire out then type up a tl;dr page of hot air!

[vincecarter4pres]

I would have made a good lawyer god damn it.

[AntwanBoldin]

Wut

[vincecarter4pres]

Amelon

[Ronito]

Ryan Anderson.

[vincecarter4pres]

Anderson Cooper.

[AntwanBoldin]

Coop cooper

[SpeedyG]

Can Deron and Avery save him?

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[jerseyjac]

Can Deron and Avery save him?

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A change of scenery would probably only help him...if he choose to accept this mission...

[SpeedyG]

Can Deron and Avery save him?

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A change of scenery would probably only help him...if he choose to accept this mission...

He might actually fit here given Avery's penchant for preaching rebounding and defense. If he does just that, Avery will play him regardless of how he's doing offensively, which might give him the kind of confidence he needs.