True or False: Celtics would of been better off if......

[Kefa461]

Thinking Bradley coming back is gonna solve the problem of everybody understanding the defense being on the same page seems a bit short sighted to me. Maybe we have a lack of bbiq with these new guys.

[tfmiii]

agree we would have been better off at this point with option B

would we be better off down the road tho?

at this point it look like yes, but we will see

not a fan of green or lee

I think Ainge got caught up in trying to stock the roster for A. G. (After Garnett) hence the 4 year contracts for mediocre talent that right now seem just plain terrible (reminds me of when Red drafted 'the next larry bird' michael smith lol)

[702Celtics]

Maybe, those guys that you listed all play with heart (except Blatche, at times). I believe Lee has the motor and the fire to be competitive and play hard; as for Green, that's a different story. He's too passive and doesn't have that competitiveness he should. Hopefully Doc lights a fire under him with his most recent comments.

I guarantee by the All-Star break, if this team isn't where Ainge thinks it should be, he'll make a deal for someone. Just hope it doesn't involve Bradley.

[MaxwellSmart]

TRUE.....but then again, we' would of been better off if Ainge had Drafted Marc Gasol...or even Deandre Jordan....he had a chance to---you ALWAYS need Bigs...and they went LATE in the draft.

I'm still shaking my head as to why they didn't take a flyer on Blatche though...Tons of talent right there for the taking---maybe KG hates the guy too much.

[ConnorHenry]

Most of us on this board (and heck the entire fan base and even the media) thought this would be a great team.

Give it time. They need to gel. However, I do wish they had pursued Blatche and do agree with the posts above stating that Ainge has blown several opportunities to get a good big when bypassed M. Gasol and Jordan.

If they are still playing like this come Jan. though I'll jump on the bandwagon that says Ainge's moves this summer were overrated.

[MaxwellSmart]

I think the Jeff Green Contract is ok really...Ainge needed to sign somebody to a huge contract---for future deals...If he had let Green walk--that salary slot would have VANISHED--and Could NOT have been used on another player....At least now, he can use Green's contract in a trade for someone...Kinda like the Wally Z and Theo Ratliff Contracts.

[celtxman]

I know we're only 15 games in but that's a big sample size. As of right now it's looking more and more like Danny Ainge failed miserably this offseason. He can redeem himself by acquiring a Gortat, Varejao, Smith or pretty much ANYONE over 6'10 who's skilled. Time will tell

when you sign Marbury and Sheed and leave. Blatche sitting there is unbelievable. This may wind. up being the worst whiff of the Ainge Era . I expect some type of damage control like '' we approach ed. their people but they wanted. to go another direction'' or some other falsehood. 17/13 off the bench squarely in our face. And he hasn't even taken many jumpers. Now we''ll be lucky to pay through the nose for anything similar.
I can live with Lee and Green for now - hard to get past Blatche. He could have been released just like. Milicic if it didn't work. Can you imagine if Blatche ended in Miami? Celts have to wait until at least December 15 for any trades - this will be so much harder than it had to be if it is possible at all

[ddb]

I know we're only 15 games in but that's a big sample size. As of right now it's looking more and more like Danny Ainge failed miserably this offseason. He can redeem himself by acquiring a Gortat, Varejao, Smith or pretty much ANYONE over 6'10 who's skilled. Time will tell

when you sign Marbury and Sheed and leave. Blatche sitting there is unbelievable. This may wind. up being the worst whiff of the Ainge Era . I expect some type of damage control like '' we approach ed. their people but they wanted. to go another direction'' or some other falsehood. 17/13 off the bench squarely in our face. And he hasn't even taken many jumpers. Now we''ll be lucky to pay through the nose for anything similar.
I can live with Lee and Green for now - hard to get past Blatche. He could have been released just like. Milicic if it didn't work. Can you imagine if Blatche ended in Miami? Celts have to wait until at least December 15 for any trades - this will be so much harder than it had to be if it is possible at all

Right on man. I agree entirely. What was the risk? Only answer I can deal with is if Blatche only wanted to play in Brooklyn. How can you pass on that type of talent?? Imagine KG working with this kid?

[Marvel]

Should've re-signed Peaches. I always wanted him back here even after the Green contract as a fail-safe option. Also gives JG time to work his way back into game shape, I mean the expectations on Jeff were huge . Too much responsibility placed on a guy coming off of open heart surgery and missing an entire season don't you think.

Also, I was stunned Danny still remained complacent on one our biggest flaws, rebounding.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Should've re-signed Peaches. I always wanted him back here even after the Green contract as a fail-safe option. Also gives JG time to work his way back into game shape, I mean the expectations on Jeff were huge . Too much responsibility placed on a guy coming off of open heart surgery and missing an entire season don't you think.

Also, I was stunned Danny still remained complacent on one our biggest flaws, rebounding.

I agree. Peaches could be bricking shots at a fraction of the cost the celtics pay Green to.

[ddb]

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

That would be a great trade for the Celtics.

[ddb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=all8nPOx3v4

[Turgon]

Well, Gortat could get his jersey 13 back here, so that's one point for us, I guess.

If we can get Gortat for that package Danny needs to do it ASAP. He can give us some physical presence in the paint and he is a skilled finisher, whose numbers will only improve with Rondo running the show.

[702Celtics]

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

Where are you hearing this from? If true, pretty good trade for the Celtics. I think Gortat would play well under Doc's system and with KG/Rondo.

[klemen4]

If I remember correct ddb you have some inside sources, right?

Well, the trade proposal looks realistic from BOS side, but doubt it is good enough for PHO. Of course I agree no way to include Bradley.

rondo/barbosa
bradley/terry
pierce/green
kg/bass
gortat/wilcox

Thats strong 8 man rotation+ spot minutes depending matchups for Barbosa and Wilcox. Exactly the way I imagine Rivers would play.

[ddb]

I know some folks in bball ops that work directly with this type of stuff (trades, player personel, etc) I always caution my fellow posters on here that it's not always 100% accurate. But what I like to do is at least share concrete info if and when I hear it.
This Gortat stuff has already been mentioned in some Polish website which is why the last time I spoke with my buddy in bball ops I asked him if he heard anything about Gortat to Boston.

He said that there are a few teams interested in Gortat, Boston being 1 of them. He said Gortat would love to play in Boston and respects Doc, Rondo, KG, PP, JET. He wants to win and thinks Boston is the place to do that. This is info the bball ops guys have heard from fellow exec's and players.

I then asked if he heard anything about who could potentially be involved and he said Green is out. He's not getting dealt for various reasons. A. can't be dealt until Jan 15. and B. Ainge doesn't want to deal late in the season. C. contract isn't great. and D. phoenix doesn't want him. Phoenix also isn't interested in Bass. They prefer the upside and rookie contracts and Sully + Melo and they also like Bradley. He then said Lee is the only guy available who could make salaries match. So even though Phoenix doesn't love Lee they think he's tradeable moving forward. So to me it sounded like my contact was piecing things together rather then hearing an actual deal that'll be on paper.

So based on that it looks like if Gortat is indeed getting dealt then Boston is shipping out Lee, Sully, Melo and at least 1 1st round pick.

Boston will lose out on this deal if someone swoops in and agrees to take back Channing Frye as well.

[Marvel]

Should've re-signed Peaches. I always wanted him back here even after the Green contract as a fail-safe option. Also gives JG time to work his way back into game shape, I mean the expectations on Jeff were huge . Too much responsibility placed on a guy coming off of open heart surgery and missing an entire season don't you think.

Also, I was stunned Danny still remained complacent on one our biggest flaws, rebounding.

I agree. Peaches could be bricking shots at a fraction of the cost the celtics pay Green to.

Better defender, rebounder, energy, hustle, and yes much cheaper.

[ddb]

The same contact is who told me about KG right after the Oden/Durant draft. He told me about Marbury, Rasheed and a few others as well. BUT..... he also told me Shawn Marion was coming to Boston once and that never happened....so take it for what it's worth. It's strickly NBA Basketball operations Executives. so from a source perspective it's legit... but in terms of it actually happening??? well I think we all know more deals fall through then actually happen

[ermocrate]

False