Trade Scenario

[babyjax13]

Im a huge Bledsoe fan and often the LAC improve when he is in and CP3 is on the bench. He is so good that the LAC often play both of them together. Im from California and often I hear from Lakers and LAC fans how much they LOVE Millsap and want Millsap. He would be a good 6th man for the LAC and do what Odom has not been abole to do. The orginal I proposed is a good deal for the LAC, definitely for Toronto who are not going to get involved unless they get a lot, and solves the Jazz's biggest problem bad PG play.

But wouldn't it be better for us just to watch Odom expire and get to keep Kanter? Because all LAC is trading for is Millsap. Mines as well simplify and do Millsap+2012 GSW 1st (or something) for Odom+Bledsoe and call it good.

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Without pick..

[babyjax13]

^^^
Or that, I honestly don't know what gets it done since Millsap is expiring. And, actually, I'm still not sold on Bledsoe as a true point guard. I liked him coming out of school, but he seems to be in the mold of the Russel Westbrook/Jason Terry type of point guard that is mainly a scorer and an "adequate" (possibly) distributor.

[roll]

I'm still not sold on Bledsoe as a true point guard. I liked him coming out of school, but he seems to be in the mold of the Russel Westbrook/Jason Terry type of point guard that is mainly a scorer and an "adequate" (possibly) distributor.

I agree. May be trade with OKC to get Lamb and Toronto pick looks better. In this case Utah will have 3 picks to get right point guard.

[reapaman]

Honestly at this point, Millsap is worth around the value of a second round pick. No ones knocking down the doors to trade anything valuable for an undersized fouling machine pf that may take a year to gel with a new team, could leave in the off-season, should be a backup but wants to be a starter and likely will get paid like a starter and not too mention he was garbage in the playoffs this past season and has sucked so far this year which is not a good sign for future performance.

For bledsoe, its probley kanter your gonna have to give up which of course I would do it in a heart beat but many of you feel differently about him.

[QuantumMacgyver]

I'm still not sold on Bledsoe as a true point guard. I liked him coming out of school, but he seems to be in the mold of the Russel Westbrook/Jason Terry type of point guard that is mainly a scorer and an "adequate" (possibly) distributor.

I agree. May be trade with OKC to get Lamb and Toronto pick looks better. In this case Utah will have 3 picks to get right point guard.

So, the Thunder would essentially trade James Harden for half a year of Millsap and Kevin Martin? No... just no. People seem to be looking in the wrong places. More accurate targets might be Anderson Varejao, Al Horford, Pau, Monta, Tyreke, Marcin Gortat, etc. Everyone is quick to point out the flaws with dealing for any of these guys, but if there weren't any flaws, then why the hell would anyone trade them? If you want value for Millsap or Jefferson, you are going to have to find someone that another team DOES NOT WANT. That means the Jazz are going to have to bite a bullet either way.

Honestly at this point, Millsap is worth around the value of a second round pick. No ones knocking down the doors to trade anything valuable for an undersized fouling machine pf that may take a year to gel with a new team, could leave in the off-season, should be a backup but wants to be a starter and likely will get paid like a starter and not too mention he was garbage in the playoffs this past season and has sucked so far this year which is not a good sign for future performance.

For bledsoe, its probley kanter your gonna have to give up which of course I would do it in a heart beat but many of you feel differently about him.

You were doing so well there for a while. Let me see if I have your theory right... Teams interested in Paul Millsap are only interested in him at two prices.
1) Second Round pick
2) $10-12 million dollars a year

Do you see where your logic is flawed? Why would a team pay starter money for a guy who is only as valuable as a second round pick? As far as Kanter for Bledsoe, that is WAY too much. Look back on the stats of Chris Paul's backups. They always have inflated numbers. I'm not saying Bledsoe isn't good, but would you trade Kanter for Darren Collison? Cuz there is every chance Bledsoe turns out to be a rich man's Darren Collison.

[StocktonShorts]

Look back on the stats of Chris Paul's backups. They always have inflated numbers.

Do they have inflated numbers or is it simply that a player can be REALLY good and still be behind Chris Paul on the depth chart? There's not another point guard in the league who would play in front of him...

[HolyToledo12]

Im a huge Bledsoe fan and often the LAC improve when he is in and CP3 is on the bench. He is so good that the LAC often play both of them together. Im from California and often I hear from Lakers and LAC fans how much they LOVE Millsap and want Millsap. He would be a good 6th man for the LAC and do what Odom has not been abole to do. The orginal I proposed is a good deal for the LAC, definitely for Toronto who are not going to get involved unless they get a lot, and solves the Jazz's biggest problem bad PG play.

But wouldn't it be better for us just to watch Odom expire and get to keep Kanter? Because all LAC is trading for is Millsap. Mines as well simplify and do Millsap+2012 GSW 1st (or something) for Odom+Bledsoe and call it good.

I am pretty sure the Jazz are not allowed to trade for Odom bc he went to the LAC thru Utah in the Mo Williams deal as such the Jazz cannot trade for Odom for one year from the Mo Williams trade. I would rather just do Millsap (plus maybe Watson/Burks) for Bledsoe and Odom but the Jazz are NOT allowed to trade for Odom but need Odoms contract added to make contracts work. THUS the only way to get Millsap to LAC and Bledsoe to the Jazz is to have a 3rd team to take Odom and they wont do that cheaply.

[reapaman]

You were doing so well there for a while. Let me see if I have your theory right... Teams interested in Paul Millsap are only interested in him at two prices.
1) Second Round pick
2) $10-12 million dollars a year

Do you see where your logic is flawed? Why would a team pay starter money for a guy who is only as valuable as a second round pick? As far as Kanter for Bledsoe, that is WAY too much. Look back on the stats of Chris Paul's backups. They always have inflated numbers. I'm not saying Bledsoe isn't good, but would you trade Kanter for Darren Collison? Cuz there is every chance Bledsoe turns out to be a rich man's Darren Collison.

Because unless you feel he will help you win a championsip this season (highly doughtful) then why would you give good value for a guy who could easily be a one year rental even if you feel he's worth 10 mil. I mean if your team is cap strapped and can't pay him that type of money money then you are taking a huge risk and will likely be wasting good assets to get him when he is just gonna walk to a team that will pay him that type of money. If your a team that can and are willing to pay him the money then your better off just waiting until he's a free agent since he's unrestricted. Then if your a team that feels he's not worth 10 mil and won't pay him that type of money then theres no point in getting him then since you some team out there will.

Its a game of chess (mabey checkers?, I don't know). He may be worth good assets value wise if you know he's gonna resign with you (and its not more benfetiual to wait until the offseason) in the off-season but since you know he turned down an extension that wouldve paid him reasonable money and will be a unrestricted free agent, then its a large chance your wasting assets to get a guy you have no chance of keeping or may get anyway without trading the assets. Mabey you give more than a single second round pick but you will be foolish to give much more than that.

As for Bledsoe. I'm just going by how I feel about him and Kanter as well. I was an advocate of us drafting bledsoe and wanted (still want) Koc to trade hayward for him. I never liked collison and don't think they should be compared. Collison is an erratic chucker who doesn't defend. Bledsoe is much more than that and he plays good defense. I am not worried in the least bit that he will be another collison. And while I know some people value Kanter high, bledsoe's stock is sky rocketing while I am sure Kanter's will drop like a rock which it sorta kinda (a little) doing now as indicated by that Kanter bandwagon sqaud I haven't heard from in a month. So imo this will look like a steal for us by the end of the season, but as I stated its just my opinion.

[eLo]

no trade have any sens as long as Corbin is head coach of this team, plus Burks is realy great prospect i dont get why any of you want to trade him so quickly

[Dr Positivity]

I think TOR/UTA are perfect trade partners, but in a Lowry deal. Lowry fits Utah's needs and culture like a glove. Toronto probably gets a "highest of UTA/GSW 1sts" trade return

[KDBG]

You were doing so well there for a while. Let me see if I have your theory right... Teams interested in Paul Millsap are only interested in him at two prices.
1) Second Round pick
2) $10-12 million dollars a year

Do you see where your logic is flawed? Why would a team pay starter money for a guy who is only as valuable as a second round pick? As far as Kanter for Bledsoe, that is WAY too much. Look back on the stats of Chris Paul's backups. They always have inflated numbers. I'm not saying Bledsoe isn't good, but would you trade Kanter for Darren Collison? Cuz there is every chance Bledsoe turns out to be a rich man's Darren Collison.

Because unless you feel he will help you win a championsip this season (highly doughtful) then why would you give good value for a guy who could easily be a one year rental even if you feel he's worth 10 mil. I mean if your team is cap strapped and can't pay him that type of money money then you are taking a huge risk and will likely be wasting good assets to get him when he is just gonna walk to a team that will pay him that type of money. If your a team that can and are willing to pay him the money then your better off just waiting until he's a free agent since he's unrestricted. Then if your a team that feels he's not worth 10 mil and won't pay him that type of money then theres no point in getting him then since you some team out there will.

Its a game of chess (mabey checkers?, I don't know). He may be worth good assets value wise if you know he's gonna resign with you (and its not more benfetiual to wait until the offseason) in the off-season but since you know he turned down an extension that wouldve paid him reasonable money and will be a unrestricted free agent, then its a large chance your wasting assets to get a guy you have no chance of keeping or may get anyway without trading the assets. Mabey you give more than a single second round pick but you will be foolish to give much more than that.

As for Bledsoe. I'm just going by how I feel about him and Kanter as well. I was an advocate of us drafting bledsoe and wanted (still want) Koc to trade hayward for him. I never liked collison and don't think they should be compared. Collison is an erratic chucker who doesn't defend. Bledsoe is much more than that and he plays good defense. I am not worried in the least bit that he will be another collison. And while I know some people value Kanter high, bledsoe's stock is sky rocketing while I am sure Kanter's will drop like a rock which it sorta kinda (a little) doing now as indicated by that Kanter bandwagon sqaud I haven't heard from in a month. So imo this will look like a steal for us by the end of the season, but as I stated its just my opinion.

This. His logic is not flawed. In fact, it's right on the money. Millsap is at best worth MAYBE a late 1st, but most likely a couple of 2nd round picks because he is a half year rental with him being an unrestricted free agent this summer. No team is going to give up any more than that with that kind of uncertainty. And I can definitely see him getting 10 million a year from someone, because there are always a couple of desperate and dumb teams with capspace that grossly overpay role players.

And Kanter for Bledsoe is actually a pretty damn even trade value wise. That's as fair of a trade as you can get. You can't get good players by giving half-assed offers like 12th men and worthless draft picks. The NBA doesn't work that way. If you wanna be successful in this league, you gotta be aggressive. You have to take calculated risks. Championship teams are where they are because they were aggressive. Although I love the fact that the Jazz have always been pretty stable and consistent over the years, they've lacked that aggressiveness to get over the hump. They collect all of these assets, and then they just stick with the status quo. I hope they prove me wrong this year, or next and make some gutsy moves.

[Brown Notes]

I think TOR/UTA are perfect trade partners, but in a Lowry deal. Lowry fits Utah's needs and culture like a glove. Toronto probably gets a "highest of UTA/GSW 1sts" trade return

Sap/Bell/Watson
For
Bargs/Lowry

Toronto wants Bargnani out yesterday. Also Sap is a perfect compliment to a talent like JV who has good hands, defends the rim and generally doesn't mind not being the man. On that Raptor team Sap would be a 35 minute star and with a real ball distributor (Calderon) could really look good. IMO Sap would think hard about re-signing there. Bell and Watson are role players that bring toughness the Raps don't have, and all three are expiring in case they just want to be players in FA.

In Utah Bargs would be a role playing specialist which is who he really is. Lowry could take Corbin's offense to a new level if he buys in, and the team would start looking a lot like a real threat.

Lowry/Foye/Williams/Favors/Al
Williams/Hayward/Carrol/Bargs/Kanter

Plus we still have 2 picks & Burks to offer if we have to. IMO sending our own 1st could be enough.

[StocktonShorts]

^^ I doubt the Jazz want anything to do with Bargnani. And I'd kill myself if I had to listen to Harpring say "barg-nonny" for 82 games.

[erudite23]

This thread is a sprawling mess. But the thought of getting Kyle Lowry here brings a huge smile to my face. I'm not sure if Toronto would be open to moving him, but a trade involving Millsap and a sweetener would absolutely be fine with me. Or I would move Jefferson for him straight up. Either way works for me.

You have him and Mo together, you can play each one 30mpg, and play them together for about 12 mpg in the back court. I like it.

Still, Lowry is a 3rd wheel on a championship team. If we are going to make a move, we need to make one that will give us a chance to get a top 10 player on this team. That should be the only pursuit we concern ourselves with. Anything less is just treading water.

[Dr Positivity]

Millsap and Jefferson don't have much value to us because they're expirings who wouldn't resign here. We'd want your sexy draft picks for Lowry

[Spottieottie]

Bledsoe so overrated. Injury prone, great complimentary player but NOT a PG of the future. I can't be the only one who sees this.

[Spottieottie]

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