11/29 - Miami Heat vs. San Antonio Spurs - 8 p.m. ET - TNT

[Heat fan06]

Terrible from miami but they have been playing like this all year. Coasting and playing on pure talent

[DWadeno3]

For as bad as Wade played tonight, it was predictable the talk would be about him. San Antonio humiliated us at the end of the 1st when Wade wasn't even in. Maybe you should wear your blame glasses with everybody on this team and not just a certain player who is the black sheep at a certain time.

Pathetic win overall as the mediocre Spurs role players outplayed us and just lacked talent, but this is typical for this team, as our coaching staff is just too soft on them. You're gonna have to suffer through the regular season and wait for the playoffs to watch this team play good, hard basketball. It's pathetic, but that's the modern NBA to you.

[seminoles1993]

Remember those days when we thought that Wade would be the one to challenge LeBron for the title "Best player in the league" for years to come. Those days are long gone. Dude isn't motivated enough to be a top 3 player in the league. He'd rather go clubbing, posting on twitter/Instagram than working on his game to be a dominant player for years to come. Wade = Great player with a "Lamar Odom-like" mindset.

this. I was such a big wade supporter and recently he's been losing me. He seems more concerned with the after-the-NBA life than the current one. He seems more worried about making more money than being a better player. He just doesn't have the drive and the motivation that an all time player has. He seems like a Diva now. Someone needs to tweet him and tell him Hes become a lazy and lollygagging diva as he ages.

I've seen so many players add a jumpshot as they grow older so they can prolong their career. But wade is too worried bout making money from going to different shows and stuff.

I've come to accept it. He never gonna be the same player and we'd be lucky if he is any thing more than a role player as he grows older. sigh
Whatever happened to improving his shot? whatever happened to "proving the doubters wrong"? Whatever happened to falling down 7 times and getting up 8? Whatever Happened to THE REAL DWYANE TYRONE WADE AKA FLASH!

[toodles23]

For as bad as Wade played tonight, it was predictable the talk would be about him. San Antonio humiliated us at the end of the 1st when Wade wasn't even in. Maybe you should wear your blame glasses with everybody on this team and not just a certain player who is the black sheep at a certain time.

No, maybe all the discussion has to do with the fact that this is the same guy tore up the NBA finals a mere year and a half ago? He looks like a shell of himself right now, and it happened shockingly fast. You should expect him to be discussed endlessly, it's not often a guy goes from possibly being the best player in the league to not even in the top 20 in such a short time span (and you know there have been 20+ players better than Wade this year). And it's not like his 18/4/5, 52 TS% statline understates his impact, most reasonable observers would agree his defense and intangibles have sucked this year.

[DWadeno3]

For as bad as Wade played tonight, it was predictable the talk would be about him. San Antonio humiliated us at the end of the 1st when Wade wasn't even in. Maybe you should wear your blame glasses with everybody on this team and not just a certain player who is the black sheep at a certain time.

No, maybe all the discussion has to do with the fact that this is the same guy tore up the NBA finals a mere year and a half ago? He looks like a shell of himself right now, and it happened shockingly fast. You should expect him to be discussed endlessly, it's not often a guy goes from possibly being the best player in the league to not even in the top 20 in such a short time span (and you know there have been 20+ players better than Wade this year). And it's not like his 18/4/5, 52 TS% statline understates his impact, most reasonable observers would agree his defense and intangibles have sucked this year.

We still sucked as a team as a whole and got humiliated by role players and that is pissing me more off than Wade sucking. We can fix/bench one player but we can't fix/bench an entire team. We have issues, we are vulnerable, it's not just a matter of effort. Pick and rolls with bigs who can score combined with solid outside shooting have worked easily against us. As much as I don't like Charles Barkley, he had point when he said it.

I have serious hatred for Wade right now, I'm as pissed off as the guy next to me, but we have other, bigger problems. If we had played San Antonio in the Finals, we'd still be ringless.

[DefenseWins]

Well... this team did get like 4 days off but it is always pathetic to see when role players come to fight and we let them hang around.

They got punched in the mouth.

But Spurs once again the best bench in the league, what can you say? But still bad that their best players weren't even in.

whatever... win is a win

Ray still clutch as hell.

[dolphinatik]

Ray Allen has come in and already hit a bunch of game winning shots for us. Heat front office need to pay attention and get more guys that work that hard and are that good in the future.

[Ratchet_Rio]

Pathetic win overall as the mediocre Spurs role players outplayed us and just lacked talent, but this is typical for this team, as our coaching staff is just too soft on them. You're gonna have to suffer through the regular season and wait for the playoffs to watch this team play good, hard basketball. It's pathetic, but that's the modern NBA to you.

I dont want to hear this crap, the Bulls play hard every night. And thats WITHOUT their best player

[Vertical Limit]

That's nice, how many championships have the Bulls won the past decade or NBA Finals appearances again?

They play so hard every night, yet they usually have more than half their roster limping in the playoffs. This team isn't going to do that, so be upset all you want, anyone's who's watched this team the past decade knows that they will coast the regular season which is still good for Top seed in the East.

[Patman]

That's nice, how many championships have the Bulls won the past decade or NBA Finals appearances again?

They play so hard every night, yet they usually have more than half their roster limping in the playoffs. This team isn't going to do that, so be upset all you want, anyone's who's watched this team the past 3 years knows that they will coast the regular season which is still good for Top seed in the East.

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[Vertical Limit]

That's nice, how many championships have the Bulls won the past decade or NBA Finals appearances again?

They play so hard every night, yet they usually have more than half their roster limping in the playoffs. This team isn't going to do that, so be upset all you want, anyone's who's watched this team the past 3 years knows that they will coast the regular season which is still good for Top seed in the East.

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Nope, cause they coasted when Shaq was around too. More so than this new team.

[bigmac(rexdale)ghetto]

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[Patman]

That's nice, how many championships have the Bulls won the past decade or NBA Finals appearances again?

They play so hard every night, yet they usually have more than half their roster limping in the playoffs. This team isn't going to do that, so be upset all you want, anyone's who's watched this team the past 3 years knows that they will coast the regular season which is still good for Top seed in the East.

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Nope, cause they coasted when Shaq was around too. More so than this new team.

I watched them back then. I'm sure not as much as you did, but I saw a lot of chemistry issues in the regular season during the Shaq title run. I didn't see a lack of effort. But they played together well enough down the stretch, that along with Wade playing to his full potential, gave them enough to win the title.

[DWadeno3]

Stern wanting to fine Pop is a pathetic joke. It's another obvious piece of evidence that the NBA is controlled by the large media companies and Stern is ultimately just their puppy. It should be up to a coach to decide what players he's gonna use. It's not as if they quit and just handed the game to us. They still competed, played good basketball and kept it close until the end.

[DefenseWins]

Honestly from a fan's standpoint, I don't oppose to what Stern did. Maybe the fine was way too hefty, but people in Miami paid good money to see the Spur's stars vs. our stars. Coming into this game it was going to be a key match up, luckily it still turned out to be an exciting game. But obviously people wanted to see stars, not bench players vs. the defending champs.

Now, I know Pop rests his players, I have no problem with it. But in NOVEMBER and on the road against, again, the defending champs? The NBA is a business and it's a form of entertainment. Pop doesn't care, and he doesn't have to. But in the end, it's about the fans. Even LeBron and Wade in their interviews always mention entertainment for the fans, they know what it's about.

Now if Pop rested his players on a day it wasn't NATIONALLY televised, and against a lower seed team, everything would be fine. Heck, it would even make more sense.

Oh and Tony Parker is 30. Guess who is 30 on this team? You all would be all over this if Wade was given rest without having an injury. I know there would be slander on him for being lazy, being a diva, etc. Also again 15 games into the season. FIFTEEN! Even Celtic players don't rest like this, Ray Allen still plays at a high level. It's ridiculous to rest players so early. And if they had to do it, should have been against the Magic or something (game Spurs had before the Heat).

Danny Green is also just 25... why the hell is he getting rest lol

[DWadeno3]

Honestly from a fan's standpoint, I don't oppose to what Stern did. Maybe the fine was way too hefty, but people in Miami paid good money to see the Spur's stars vs. our stars. Coming into this game it was going to be a key match up, luckily it still turned out to be an exciting game. But obviously people wanted to see stars, not bench players vs. the defending champs.

Now, I know Pop rests his players, I have no problem with it. But in NOVEMBER and on the road against, again, the defending champs? The NBA is a business and it's a form of entertainment. Pop doesn't care, and he doesn't have to. But in the end, it's about the fans. Even LeBron and Wade in their interviews always mention entertainment for the fans, they know what it's about.

Now if Pop rested his players on a day it wasn't NATIONALLY televised, and against a lower seed team, everything would be fine. Heck, it would even make more sense.

Oh and Tony Parker is 30. Guess who is 30 on this team? You all would be all over this if Wade was given rest without having an injury. I know there would be slander on him for being lazy, being a diva, etc. Also again 15 games into the season. FIFTEEN! Even Celtic players don't rest like this, Ray Allen still plays at a high level. It's ridiculous to rest players so early. And if they had to do it, should have been against the Magic or something (game Spurs had before the Heat).

Danny Green is also just 25... why the hell is he getting rest lol

We also happened to be on the second night of a back-to-back for them and we were the end of their long road trip as well. On top of that, they have a tough matchup with a conference rival coming up, so Pop had multiple reasons to rest his starters. There's no way a coach should be fined for doing that. Now, if they just handed the game to us and didn't compete, you could actually make a case for fining them because that's against good sportsmanship. But it was a tight game all the way to the end, so the fans received the entertainment they wanted out of this game.

[narmerguy]

Honestly from a fan's standpoint, I don't oppose to what Stern did. Maybe the fine was way too hefty, but people in Miami paid good money to see the Spur's stars vs. our stars. Coming into this game it was going to be a key match up, luckily it still turned out to be an exciting game. But obviously people wanted to see stars, not bench players vs. the defending champs.

Now, I know Pop rests his players, I have no problem with it. But in NOVEMBER and on the road against, again, the defending champs? The NBA is a business and it's a form of entertainment. Pop doesn't care, and he doesn't have to. But in the end, it's about the fans. Even LeBron and Wade in their interviews always mention entertainment for the fans, they know what it's about.

Now if Pop rested his players on a day it wasn't NATIONALLY televised, and against a lower seed team, everything would be fine. Heck, it would even make more sense.

Oh and Tony Parker is 30. Guess who is 30 on this team? You all would be all over this if Wade was given rest without having an injury. I know there would be slander on him for being lazy, being a diva, etc. Also again 15 games into the season. FIFTEEN! Even Celtic players don't rest like this, Ray Allen still plays at a high level. It's ridiculous to rest players so early. And if they had to do it, should have been against the Magic or something (game Spurs had before the Heat).

Danny Green is also just 25... why the hell is he getting rest lol

Dude, fans don't pay money to see stars. They pay money hoping to see the stars play, but there's no contract the coach makes that you will see X, Y, Z players when my team comes to town. So the whole idea that the fans paid for a product and didn't get it is silly. It's like paying for HBO, HBO cancelling a TV show, and then fining HBO for not showing the shows you wanted to see. You pay for the package, and what comes with it comes with it. It's pop's decision who plays and who doesn't, not the fans'.

[DWadeno3]

Honestly from a fan's standpoint, I don't oppose to what Stern did. Maybe the fine was way too hefty, but people in Miami paid good money to see the Spur's stars vs. our stars. Coming into this game it was going to be a key match up, luckily it still turned out to be an exciting game. But obviously people wanted to see stars, not bench players vs. the defending champs.

Now, I know Pop rests his players, I have no problem with it. But in NOVEMBER and on the road against, again, the defending champs? The NBA is a business and it's a form of entertainment. Pop doesn't care, and he doesn't have to. But in the end, it's about the fans. Even LeBron and Wade in their interviews always mention entertainment for the fans, they know what it's about.

Now if Pop rested his players on a day it wasn't NATIONALLY televised, and against a lower seed team, everything would be fine. Heck, it would even make more sense.

Oh and Tony Parker is 30. Guess who is 30 on this team? You all would be all over this if Wade was given rest without having an injury. I know there would be slander on him for being lazy, being a diva, etc. Also again 15 games into the season. FIFTEEN! Even Celtic players don't rest like this, Ray Allen still plays at a high level. It's ridiculous to rest players so early. And if they had to do it, should have been against the Magic or something (game Spurs had before the Heat).

Danny Green is also just 25... why the hell is he getting rest lol

Dude, fans don't pay money to see stars. They pay money hoping to see the stars play, but there's no contract the coach makes that you will see X, Y, Z players when my team comes to town. So the whole idea that the fans paid for a product and didn't get it is silly. It's like paying for HBO, HBO cancelling a TV show, and then fining HBO for not showing the shows you wanted to see. You pay for the package, and what comes with it comes with it. It's pop's decision who plays and who doesn't, not the fans'.

I think his point was that fans generate income and popularity. The more popular a product is, the more likely are companies going to invest in it and that's what it ultimately comes down to: The NBA as a marketing product. The league wouldn't be where it is right now without large, popular and rich companies investing in it.

Nonetheless I was basically agreeing with your notion that those sponsors shouldn't dictate how a coach should do his job. Pop had good reasons to not play his starters. Stern should not be such a corporate b**** and fine him for it (and the whole 'poor fans' case is just an act to save his face).

[Woodsanity]

Its kind of funny though. The Spurs are probably the least popular elite team in the nba. When they are in the Finals the ratings are terrible and Stern thinks that people are coming to see the Spurs big 3?
Maybe a few but watching the Miami stars in action is already good enough. Most people find Duncan's game uninteresting(not me) anyway and people call the Spurs boring even though Manu and TP are pretty exciting players. The Spurs also have a very smooth offense that is fun to watch.