True or False: Celtics would of been better off if......

[darrendaye]

So basically Lee and his contract is making this offer possible. Now, back to your original post.....

[CelticFaninLBC]

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

Good deal for both sides. Gortat wants out and Boston desperately needs more size, while Phoenix gets a well know young player in Sullinger and Lee's contract isn't horrible.

[CelticsRise]

Should've re-signed Peaches. I always wanted him back here even after the Green contract as a fail-safe option. Also gives JG time to work his way back into game shape, I mean the expectations on Jeff were huge . Too much responsibility placed on a guy coming off of open heart surgery and missing an entire season don't you think.

Also, I was stunned Danny still remained complacent on one our biggest flaws, rebounding.

I do not agree on Peaches at all. As streaky as Peaches was Lee can do better job. Peaches was also injury prone and could not guard Wade. (getting trapped every time in pump fakes).

[GoGoCeltics]

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

[Berkcelt]

If you count Sully as a first round draft pick, two 1st rounders and Lee doesn't sound like much less than what Orlando got for Howard.

[AKFO]

Nah. The only one I woulda definitely give Pietrus the bi-annual on top of everything we've done, but I'm not read to throw everything out the window. Jeff can definitely be a great player, and I haven't lost faith yet. Lee is also a solid shooter, and is an asset because he's a bigger guard, can play good on ball D, and can run the break. Moore doesn't give you too much of that. I wish Darko would have come along though, I thought he could have been really good for us.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Don't expect anything from green anymore. I can see green averaging 3-4 offensive fouls against a good defensive team in the playoffs. Watching him trying to score is like a cartoon character winding up to throw a punch. I wish he would play more like David lee, josh smith, Z bo or even Kenneth Faried.

[ddb]

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

[Valid]

I know we're only 15 games in but that's a big sample size. As of right now it's looking more and more like Danny Ainge failed miserably this offseason. He can redeem himself by acquiring a Gortat, Varejao, Smith or pretty much ANYONE over 6'10 who's skilled. Time will tell

15 games is NOT a big sample size. We were 15-17 through 32 games last year.

Anyway, this topic is absolutely ridiculous.

[Valid]

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

The same Blatche who has had a long history of laziness/attitude problems?

[celtxman]

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

The same Blatche who has had a long history of laziness/attitude problems?

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

The same Blatche who has had a long history of laziness/attitude problems?

It is hard to believe that people don't understand this concept - if Blatche had no issues he would be getting north of $10 million per and would be unavailable. There was a rare opportunity to take advantage of Blatches past problems at next to zero risk at minimum salary. If he goes off the deep end. TODAY he has already been worth it for the Nets. Simply put we were asleep at the wheel

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

The same Blatche who has had a long history of laziness/attitude problems?

Yet this team took the same exact risk by signing Darko, who also has a history of laziness and attitude problems for almost 400K more than the nets are paying Blatche. Of course the kicker in all of this is that Darko is now out of the NBA and Blatche is playing well.

[tfmiii]

here's hoping DDB's contact has it right... Dec 15th seems a long way away

subtract Lee and Sullinger

Add Gortat and Bradley

clarifies rotations, adds defensive intensity, shotblocking, rebounding and cuts down on opposition penetration

love it

[Who-rod]

Blatche would have been nice, I think we could have found a way to add him without giving up on Green and Lee though. Moore is not a big loss. I think his upside on a decent team is Courtney Lee. Worst case, he's out of the league in a couple years. I did like Pietrus.

[LuckyLeprichan]

I think their record would be better right now, because everyone would know the system and we wouldn't be seeing the defensive screw ups, but in the long run I think no, they wouldn't have been better off.

Terry, Lee, Green, Sullinger, Melo, Barbosa, Collins, Joseph...the light bulb will go on for (most of) these guys and come playoff time when it actually matters, we'll forget completely about last years weak bench.

It's a long season, people. Have patience. A few losses in November isn't the end of the world. If we get destroyed in April/May, then it's time to post this thread. Not now.

[Safety Pickle]

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

Look at this trade from PHXs perspective. We would be giving up an above average, starting C on a great contract for Sully (who was a late first round pick, and we already have a glut of Fs), Lee (an average guard whose production can easily be reproduced, oh and we also passed on signing him during the preseason), and a late first. Why on earth would we agree to this deal? That is terrible return for a C that can put up 15/10/2 a game. Please take off your homer goggles and see how bad of a trade this is

[ddb]

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

Look at this trade from PHXs perspective. We would be giving up an above average, starting C on a great contract for Sully (who was a late first round pick, and we already have a glut of Fs), Lee (an average guard whose production can easily be reproduced, oh and we also passed on signing him during the preseason), and a late first. Why on earth would we agree to this deal? That is terrible return for a C that can put up 15/10/2 a game. Please take off your homer goggles and see how bad of a trade this is

The same reason why Orlando dealt Dwight Howard in exchange for Aaron Afflalo, bad contracts and picks. Some people just don't get it!! Listen, Phoenix is in rebuilding mode. The ONLY way you can rebuild is by bottoming out and/or signing top tier Free Agents. In Phoenix's case they aren't bad enough to get a top-5 pick and they aren't GOOD enough to make the playoffs. So what do you do? You make deals, you trade certain players in exchange for rookie deals and picks. And because of the CBA you also need to take back contracts. In this case it would be Lee or Bass. Both Lee and Bass make similar money to Gortat but AREN'T AS GOOD as Gortat. So salaries match but the production on the court isn't as good which = more losses and a better shot at rebuilding AND SAVING FACE. Because all Phoenix needs to do is say what a great opportunity it was for them to bring in 3 new assets (Sully, Melo, unprotected 1st through 2014). And by the way...rebuilding takes a couple years.

If Phoenix keeps Gortat they will continue to be slightly under .500% and the needle will never really sway one way or another. they will stay right where they are.

[ddb]

and for the record. this is EXACTLY what the situation was when Ainge took over the Celtics. He looked at a roster that was middle of the pack and had only 2 real assets (Pierce and Walker). He choose to keep Pierce and ended up Trading Walker in a LOPSIDED deal in the other direction that brought back bad contracts/players which ultimatly lead to Boston bottoming out. It took a few years before he was in position to make a big Splash. that's the way it works.

If the Suns are smart they will try to bottom out AND bring in as many assets as possible (bad contracts, picks, young players). Because Phoenix is a FA destination. In a few years they can bring in top FA's and at that time guys like Kendall Marshall, Sully, etc will be ready to play major roles

Do you get it?? It's not rocket science. It's hilarious how people view potential trades with such a narrow mind. It's not "hommer glasses" it's "i know what the hell I'm talkign about" glasses

[ermocrate]

and for the record. this is EXACTLY what the situation was when Ainge took over the Celtics. He looked at a roster that was middle of the pack and had only 2 real assets (Pierce and Walker). He choose to keep Pierce and ended up Trading Walker in a LOPSIDED deal in the other direction that brought back bad contracts/players which ultimatly lead to Boston bottoming out. It took a few years before he was in position to make a big Splash. that's the way it works.

If the Suns are smart they will try to bottom out AND bring in as many assets as possible (bad contracts, picks, young players). Because Phoenix is a FA destination. In a few years they can bring in top FA's and at that time guys like Kendall Marshall, Sully, etc will be ready to play major roles

Do you get it?? It's not rocket science. It's hilarious how people view potential trades with such a narrow mind. It's not "hommer glasses" it's "i know what the hell I'm talkign about" glasses

This has nothing to do with the trades you proposed. What you proposed is more the second coming of Dino Radja days.

[IEcelticfan]

.... if David West had agreed to sign us with us last season. He's having a fine season so far (this yr & last) with Indy.

Question ... would Bass or just JO's contract been traded to NO?