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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#41 » by pillwenney » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:33 pm

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pillwenney wrote:I don't have time to read and respond to the rest right now, but dude, the Kings being competitive with Utah in their head to head games last year doesn't mean they're as good as Utah. Utah had a much better record, and neither team has undergone significant roster changes. There's no reason to believe we'll leap frog them.


Well obviously, they would have to play well against the other teams but Utah has been thrown around in this thread and my point is that Utah is not that great and if they are going to be the measuring stick to whether the Kings can make the playoffs, then yes the Kings can finish ahead of them.

If you look at the West; I think these 5 are locks

Thunder
Clippers
Lakers
Spurs
Grizzilies

The last 3 will be up for grabs and I hardly think

Denver
Utah
Dallas are unbeatable or uncatchable

The other teams presumbably in the mix are

Minnesota
Portland
Golden State

Now me personally, I will put the Kings in the conversation because I believe if the Kings grow up and play the right way they are just as talented or better than those 6 clubs.


And what is that based off of? They had a way better winning percentage than us last year and neither team has made huge changes one way or another.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#42 » by VeeJay24 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:00 am

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pillwenney wrote:I don't have time to read and respond to the rest right now, but dude, the Kings being competitive with Utah in their head to head games last year doesn't mean they're as good as Utah. Utah had a much better record, and neither team has undergone significant roster changes. There's no reason to believe we'll leap frog them.


Well obviously, they would have to play well against the other teams but Utah has been thrown around in this thread and my point is that Utah is not that great and if they are going to be the measuring stick to whether the Kings can make the playoffs, then yes the Kings can finish ahead of them.

If you look at the West; I think these 5 are locks

Thunder
Clippers
Lakers
Spurs
Grizzilies

The last 3 will be up for grabs and I hardly think

Denver
Utah
Dallas are unbeatable or uncatchable

The other teams presumbably in the mix are

Minnesota
Portland
Golden State

Now me personally, I will put the Kings in the conversation because I believe if the Kings grow up and play the right way they are just as talented or better than those 6 clubs.


And what is that based off of? They had a way better winning percentage than us last year and neither team has made huge changes one way or another.


That's based on our young players improving immensely; it's based on this group of players becoming a cohesive team and developing consistency. Although they are flawed at the SF position, I don't think it is significant enough to prevent them from winning one of the final playoff spots. If Johnson can do what he's been brought here to do which is play tough defense, run the floor & knock down the occasional 3, they're good. I know your response already, PG? But if they advance the ball quickly and play up tempo then the odds are in they're favor. My only concern is will they understand the need for consistency? In other words can you perform night after night? They flashed last year but this year they must do more.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#43 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:57 am

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SF_Warriors wrote:I think they can.

It will definitely come down to coaching and the maturity of Cousins.

Cousins is very intriguing. He has so much talent and ability, and I feel like he is close to being able to translate that on the court. 44.8% from the field last year is very alarming considering he does not shoot threes and is not considered a threat to pick and pop or spot up in the midrange. If he can get it to over 49%, he can be an all star.

The rest of the front court is oozing with potential. I have always like Thompson, and feel he is an ideal backup PF/C in this league. Robinson is a rookie, but a high pick and is obviously talented. Hayes is a good vet and backup for spot PF minutes.

The backcourt looks good as well. Brooks will help spread the floor and gives them an extra ball handler. Tyreke just needs to keep improving. I think he is a quality starter. Thornton and I. Thomas are two players that deserve NBA rotation minutes off the bench. There is too much of a logjam for Jimmer. I consider all four aformentioned guards to be better players currently.

SF is a problem. Salmons is not athletic/strong enough to contend with today's NBA SFs, nor does he seem to be a reliable scorer anymore (7.5 points in over 27 minutes?). I like Garcia, but only as a backup. Salmons just might be the X factor in making the playoffs along with Cousins improving.


Well that isn't true.


This.

The two things I see consistently posted about DeMarcus here are that he is not a good mid-range shooter (were we all watching the same guy last year?), and the FG%.

The first is untrue as he is an excellent mid range shooter for a guy his size. The second I have said time and again should correct itself this season (his third and the first with National team level recognition) with a greater number of foul calls from the refs when he is operating against double and triple teams in the post.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#44 » by Krle_12 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:46 am

How far this team goes next year will depend on the following factors (in order)

1. Coaching
2. Evans
3. Cousins

1. Coaching
I think this one is the real key here. This team needs to be coached defence to the point where you get punished if you don't. The coaching staff really should stress the "if you don't play D, you can't play!" line. Along with stressing defensive side of the ball, there has to be, just has to be a more organised offence with a clear offensive hierarchy. Cousins must be our #1 offensive option. Tyreke must be a clear #2 and MT a clear #3, everyone else needs to get their scraps in another way. If we one again stress the run and jack up shots when ever you get it offence that we ran last year, we are not going anywhere fast. One of the reasons we see selfishness out there is that there is NO clear offensive structure or patterns to get the ball moving and creating open shots so players are trying to create scoring opportunities themselves.

So 2 things, here, a clear defensive strategy and a a clear offensive hierarchy where players must buy into it for it to work. Cousins and Evans are the two most talented players on the roster and they should be utilised the most. An offensive force big men who can play close to the basket but also has a jump shot that needs to be respected and a penetrating guard that can beat you off the dribble, those are the parts that contenders are built around if you have the right coach.

2. Evans
This will depend a little bit on the coaching but it is time for Tyreke to settle at the off-guard position with some minutes at 1 and 3 (but not many). He is clearly our best 2 way guard and if you want to improve defensively, he needs to get a lot of minutes. This off-season he simply has to work on that jump shot to make things easier for himself and make himself a more effective and efficient offensive player. I am not expecting a Ray Allen out there but I am expecting to see a real improvement in his mid range game. Once he gets that developed, he can venture further out to the 3 point line and get working on that shot as well. Last season he was #4 in the entire league at attempts at the rim and 1st amongst guards. Its the 2nd time in 3 years that he has done this. Add a respectable jump shot to that mix and you have a player that is un-guardable. Couple that with an elite big man and you have the foundations of a contender.

Its imperative for us and Reke that jump shot sees significant progress during the off-season. Tyreke in his contract year and he needs to have a great year to get himself a max deal from the Kings (he will get a max offer from another team no doubt) and its important for us that he does that because it means we are starting to get the player we envisioned and would be more than happy to give him a max money deal (not 5 years as that is reserved for Cousins).

3. Cousins
Now many are asking what the heck is this guy on about. Cousins should be further up the list as he is our best player BUT IMHO, Cousins only needs to reproduce what he did last season and the other 2 things to fall in place and we are in the play offs. This guy is a beast and conservatively, he is a 20/11 player next season. He can be a 28/13 player next season and we still don't make the play offs in the West if the other 2 things fall in place. Cousins cannot do it alone and a franchise we have done him a great disservice in not providing him with better coaching and more balanced team where players recruited fit around those that the team should be built around.

Despite all that, I am expecting Cousins to be an all-star next season but whether we are making or pushing for the play offs will depend on how the coaching staff structure the team both offensively and defensively and whether Tyreke gets close to being the type of player (with that swagger) that he was in his rookie season. Not necessarily a 20/5/5 but a player that is more efficient and dangerous.

Having said all that, something tells me #1 will still be a problem and we will yet again fire a coach mid-season.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#45 » by YC42Balla » Sun Aug 5, 2012 5:33 am

I've watch the Kings lose game, after game, every season of my adult life. Every season, there they are - losing... drafting... losing... losing... drafting, the Maloofs smiling... SMILING! I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

The losing ends, now. This upcoming season we're going to have a .500 record, or better! This statement is true, and I well believe this until proven otherwise, damn it.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#46 » by YC42Balla » Sun Aug 5, 2012 5:36 am

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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#47 » by AnaheimRoyale » Sun Aug 5, 2012 5:42 am

I like Cousins as a potential franchise player, but he's not that guy right now (if he ever will be), and he still does some thing that can hurt as much as help. And he's basically your best player. Look at the rest of the roster... how many guys are above average for their position? I'm not sure any are, and before replying please remember that above average means you are in the top 15 for your position in the NBA... does anyone think Thornton or Evans are top 15 for their position? T-Rob is a rookie, he's looking like he'll need time to be even a strong starter, let alone more than that.

The King were way below 500 last year, and other teams have done alot more to improve... it just seems fantastic that they'd make it.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#48 » by kevin44 » Sun Aug 5, 2012 8:57 pm

The Warriors have a better chance than us. Injuries to some of the top players would be our only chance to see the playoffs this year. The West in my opinion has gotten weaker this off season, but the moves we have made are not enough. Salmons, Garcia, & Hayes are eating up 20 million in cap space & all have not played well. I doubt Brooks can save this team. Jimmer may not even get off the bench this season. Cousins is are future, but if he doesn't get some help soon he won't resign. I can't see this team winning more than 30 game or so. I hope I am wrong.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#49 » by LovingCousins » Tue Aug 7, 2012 7:48 pm

I hope individual growth and team cohesion will help lift this team. I don't see us making the leap and making the playoffs but I hope we can top 35 wins this season. Tyreke Evans is in his contract year and if he is ever going to grow as a player, it should be this year. Cousins looks like he is working hard this summer. I hope he is working with our big-man coach. Brooks may not be the savior but his addition improves our bench, whether he starts or comes off the bench. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I am sick of sucking.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#50 » by deNIEd » Mon Dec 3, 2012 5:18 pm

Rereading this was hilarious
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#51 » by YC42Balla » Tue Dec 4, 2012 12:10 am

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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#52 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 4, 2012 3:05 am

deNIEd wrote:Rereading this was hilarious



There's still time dammit!!! :lol:
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Post#53 » by kevin44 » Tue Dec 4, 2012 5:16 pm

YC42Balla pretty damn funny.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#54 » by lazio_fontaine » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:48 pm

Kings don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of making the postseason next year. Their core sucks, their GM sucks, and their fans are bandwagon fans.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#55 » by pillwenney » Tue Dec 4, 2012 11:22 pm

deNIEd wrote:Rereading this was hilarious


I don't know why it would be. Pretty much everybody here agreed that we wouldn't make the playoffs.
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Post#56 » by YC42Balla » Tue Dec 4, 2012 11:40 pm

kevin44 wrote:YC42Balla pretty damn funny.

Yep, googled Maloofs. Thought it was pretty funny, too. Love google.

lazio_fontaine wrote:Kings don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of making the postseason next year. Their core sucks, their GM sucks, and their fans are bandwagon fans.


Your moms a bandwagon fan, troll.

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deNIEd wrote:Rereading this was hilarious


I don't know why it would be. Pretty much everybody here agreed that we wouldn't make the playoffs.


Re-reading my posts, I kind of said I had hope. Sad face.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#57 » by deNIEd » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:22 am

pillwenney wrote:
deNIEd wrote:Rereading this was hilarious


I don't know why it would be. Pretty much everybody here agreed that we wouldn't make the playoffs.


Yeah, but I just find it hilarious how the FO has ruined the entire spirit of everyone. Remember 2-3 seasons ago? When the team had even less talent and less of a future...yet EVERYONE (including you :lol: ) were the most optimistic fans ever?

I'm sorry. But when you start not believing in the King's, you know thats when there are MAJOR problems.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#58 » by pillwenney » Wed Dec 5, 2012 7:18 pm

You can have hope and still face reality. There was a legitimate reason to be excited a couple seasons ago. Most notably, we thought Geoff Petrie was still looking like a good GM.

But I still have hope. I just wouldn't predict any success in the near future.

What has actually been a kick in the balls though is the fact that the team is probably gone.
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Re: Can kings make the playoffs next year? 

Post#59 » by ICMTM » Wed Dec 5, 2012 7:24 pm

Nobody posted Jim Mora's rant yet???
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