Race to the MVP.

Post #1301 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:14 pm

Protoss wrote:You are a really bad poster, here and on ISH. PER is more valuable than any other individual statistic. You know very well that Davis' case is not the same -- he's played a small number of games, and his team has a losing record (two of the most important criteria for MVP).

If Davis played almost all of the games with his PER in tact, and the Hornets had a .700 record (rookie, major win improvement), yes he would be a very serious candidate for MVP.

I think i'm going to be sick.

osamu · Post #1302 » by **osamu** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:20 pm

If the knicks are first in the east, and the thunder don't get top seed Melo gets MVP. NY fans can stop posting stats to sway people.

Hero · Post #1303 » by **Hero** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:27 am

L. James 26 Pts, 13 Reb, 11 Ast, 3 Stl, 2 Blk tonight.

Heat couldn't get the win though as so many missed Threes by them in the 4th. Wide open ones by Miller and Ray especially hurt them.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #1304 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:40 am

Hero wrote:L. James 26 Pts, 13 Reb, 11 Ast, 3 Stl, 2 Blk tonight.

Heat couldn't get the win though as so many missed Threes by them in the 4th. Wide open ones by Miller and Ray especially hurt them.

They lost to the Wizards without Wall and with a gimpy Nene. If anything it hurts Brons MVP chances. Bron missed 2 wide open 3's with 4 minutes left and went 0 out of 2 in the free throw line with a few minutes left.

Post #1305 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:55 am

Yeah, even if Carmelo put up 50 on like 20 shots in a loss to the wizards, I wouldn't bring it up in this thread as a positive.

EDIT:

I was curious, and decided to look this up. Since 85-86, the only player to do that was WILLIE BURTON in 94-95!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Bm7x7

Did it on only 43 min, too, and his team got the W. Career high PPG in was 15. Career avg of 10 PPG in 8 seasons.

carbine23 · Post #1306 » by **carbine23** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:57 am

i was playing 2k13 today and i lost to the bobcats...and damn the lost in real life too. WTHECK

Hero · Post #1307 » by **Hero** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:00 am

Lol a triple double is a negative now.

Post #1308 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:04 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:Yeah, even if Carmelo put up 50 on like 20 shots in a loss to the wizards, I wouldn't bring it up in this thread as a positive.

EDIT:

I was curious, and decided to look this up. Since 85-86, the only player to do that was WILLIE BURTON in 94-95!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Bm7x7

Did it on only 43 min, too, and his team got the W. Career high PPG was 15. Career avg of 10 PPG in 8 seasons.

HornetJail · Post #1309 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:10 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:If Davis played almost all of the games with his PER in tact, and the Hornets had a .700 record (rookie, major win improvement), yes he would be a very serious candidate for MVP.

Greg Smith is 14th in PER. What if he keeps it up for a full season and the Rockets have a .700 record?

Post #1310 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:14 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:If Davis played almost all of the games with his PER in tact, and the Hornets had a .700 record (rookie, major win improvement), yes he would be a very serious candidate for MVP.

Greg Smith is 14th in PER. What if he keeps it up for a full season and the Rockets have a .700 record?

Don't make it look like I wrote that BS!

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #1311 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:41 am

Hero wrote:Lol a triple double is a negative now.

In a loss vs the depleted Wizards yes it is. If you watched the game Bron melted down the stretch. Interested to see how Bron and Melo play on Thursday.

28reloaded · Post #1312 » by **28reloaded** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:43 am

Welp after tonight, Durant officially leads the NBA in PER :lol:

Durant's now at 26.5 ppg on 65.0 TS% :lol:

fallacy · Post #1313 » by **fallacy** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:47 am

28reloaded wrote:Welp after tonight, Durant officially leads the NBA in PER

Durant's now at 26.5 ppg on 65.0 TS%

PER is worthless now, haven't you heard?

MisterWestside · Post #1314 » by **MisterWestside** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:00 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:They lost to the Wizards without Wall and with a gimpy Nene. If anything it hurts Brons MVP chances.

Yes, the media will use a December game against an irrelevant team to decide who the MVP is. Even if LeBron scored 60 with a 55-foot, one-legged, fadeaway GW shot at the buzzer it wouldn't matter. Voters aren't looking at the award right now, and only care when the playoffs roll around.

big_ticket · Post #1315 » by **big_ticket** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:23 am

people is just overreacting for bron..

MaliBrah · Post #1316 » by **MaliBrah** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:28 am

its funny cause lebron is coasting so far this year , i dont think people have taken that in.

Sinant · Post #1317 » by **Sinant** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:32 am

Durant and the Thunder lost to the Wizards last season when they were being terribad too (iirc, it was around their 2nd win or so as well).

Elite teams have off nights against bad teams. Overreactions are silly. The MVP doesn't hinge on a December game against the Wizards.

Granted I think Durant's #1 right now, but that's just because of how well he's playing.

OptimusOne6 · Post #1318 » by **OptimusOne6** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:33 am

nmabdi28 wrote:its funny cause lebron is coasting so far this year , i dont think people have taken that in.

For MVP, coasting does not help Lebron's argument.

I'm not sure why we're arguing who the better player is, it's obvious Lebron still is. This thread is simply about who the MVP is this season and it is quite clearly Durant so far.

fallacy · Post #1319 » by **fallacy** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:37 am

OptimusOne6 wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:its funny cause lebron is coasting so far this year , i dont think people have taken that in.

For MVP, coasting does not help Lebron's argument.

I'm not sure why we're arguing who the better player is, it's obvious Lebron still is. This thread is simply about who the MVP is this season and it is quite clearly Durant so far.

Wow, a good post in this thread
:jawdrop:

Post #1320 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:38 am

MisterWestside wrote:
TheKingOfVa360 wrote:They lost to the Wizards without Wall and with a gimpy Nene. If anything it hurts Brons MVP chances.

Yes, the media will use a December game against an irrelevant team to decide who the MVP is. Even if LeBron scored 60 with a 55-foot, one-legged, fadeaway GW shot at the buzzer it wouldn't matter. Voters aren't looking at the award right now, and only care when the playoffs roll around.

I don't think you get the point. 1 loss obviously doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The point was bringing up his triple double in this thread as a positive is illogical when it came in a loss to the worst team in the league. It doesn't help his case at all.