Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[Big Shot]

I agreed. Losing close games night in and night out is a sign that you're a very bad team......very poorly coached team.

[Primetime23]

I know for a fact that they actually wanted Fields the player.

The contract is only marginally overpaid, which they are also aware of... you can argue with me on it if you like, but its true.

Are you trolling this thread? marginally overpaid? he signed for more than double what OJ Mayo signed for!!! He was in a year and a half long slump when he signed that contract and has looked like a men's league player going on two years now.

to be fair, OJ signed that dallas deal so he could get a bigger contract (which will likely happen now given his development this season).

I do believe he had "better offers." but yea Fields is overpaid as hell.

You're right, poor expample. But to suggest that Fields is "marginally overpaid" is bordering on delusional, at no point in his career has he shown consistently that he was worth 3 mil per season much less double that.

Hopefully management takes away the keys from Colangelo and lets his contract expire at the end of the year before he can do any more damage. The frustrating thing is that most of us were fans well before Colangelo even set foot into this organization, it's our team he just works here. To watch him run it into the ground over and over again makes me not want to be a fan anymore.

[Joker]

I hate it when Paul Jones says never unerestimate how close you are to being good and/or how close you are to being bad, or something like that. Losing a close game does not mean you're close to being good. Bad teams lose the close games, because that's what they do. This is the NBA, and every player can play, so even the worst team in the NBA isn't going to be blowned out game in game out. Bad teams will lose by anywhere from 1pt to 50pts. Bad teams lose games, plain and simple. Moral victories = close to being good?.........................Stop it! GTFO!

Yep. It's like the injury excuse this organization/the media constantly relies on. In the same way it's a mark of a bad team to lose a lot of close games, it's also a mark of a bad team to be more negatively affected by injury. Other teams have lost players like Wade, Garnett, Bynum, Ginnoboli, etc., for chunks of time and they all remained competitive; we lose Fields and we use that a reason for everything falling apart.

[West Rouge]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

[theSkinny]

I know for a fact that they actually wanted Fields the player.

The contract is only marginally overpaid, which they are also aware of... you can argue with me on it if you like, but its true.

from NY, if you really believe he's close to his value.... you must've only seen him in the first half of his rookie year. the guy hasn't been good in a long time.

he was terrible last season, only 2nd worst ton Tony douglas in the nightmare season the knicks had. his play this year, it's arguable if he's an nba caliber player. He's posting a 1.37 PER

Most of what he does well is not visible on the stat sheet.

- moving without the ball
- defence
- being where he is supposed to be (not breaking plays)
I can keep going but my point should be clear..


I don't understand posters who have made up their mind on someone who has been broken since he got here.. Why not at lease reserve judgement until the year is done.

I didn't care for TRoss as a pick, or in SL and not that much for the early part of the season.. I'm reserving judgement on him for awhile, so far he is improving his position in my books slowly.

[Neutral 123]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

Who knows how accurate the numbers are, but someone posted the profit or loss by year for the Raps, and the Raps, have been more profitable since BC took over as GM. I haven't seen any further break down of what the source of that extra profit is, but that's the claim.

[Waylon Mercy]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

It's the dumbest argument ever

[ballislife]

I have been told by sources inside the corporation (specifically quotes from Ed Stefanski), that Toronto is willing to go into the luxury tax in the upcoming seasons if the opportunity presents itself. The corporation has no problems going into the tax if we can get a winning team.

I predict BC making a trade that might bring us close to the tax in near the future (likely Pau?)... but in all, I think he's going to start doing some things to win over the fans. But knowing that the franchise doesn't mind going into the tax in the future... it reminds me of the Blue Jays situation (especially because Rogers has ownership in both teams)... With this information... I wouldnt bet against BC coming back... maybe the stuff he's doing is a result of the franchise as a whole and the staff we have (aka Casey and the Ross pick over Drummond).

[Scase]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

It's the dumbest argument ever

But then realistically why have they resigned/not fired him yet? Aside from being a smooth talker there has to be a legitimate reason why right?

[Raps in 4]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

It's the dumbest argument ever

But then realistically why have they resigned/not fired him yet? Aside from being a smooth talker there has to be a legitimate reason why right?

He gives a mean blowjob.

[hillbilly hare]

I know for a fact that they actually wanted Fields the player.

The contract is only marginally overpaid, which they are also aware of... you can argue with me on it if you like, but its true.

from NY, if you really believe he's close to his value.... you must've only seen him in the first half of his rookie year. the guy hasn't been good in a long time.

he was terrible last season, only 2nd worst ton Tony douglas in the nightmare season the knicks had. his play this year, it's arguable if he's an nba caliber player. He's posting a 1.37 PER

Most of what he does well is not visible on the stat sheet.

- moving without the ball
- defence
- being where he is supposed to be (not breaking plays)
I can keep going but my point should be clear..


I don't understand posters who have made up their mind on someone who has been broken since he got here.. Why not at lease reserve judgement until the year is done.

I didn't care for TRoss as a pick, or in SL and not that much for the early part of the season.. I'm reserving judgement on him for awhile, so far he is improving his position in my books slowly.

Okay, so we'll wait on Fields to see what brings. He has not been more than an average player since around Christmas 2010 and he was below average for the rest of his time in NY. He is a bench player. Ideally a 7th man on a good team. His D was "over rated" in NY because he was one of the few Knicks playing any. His offense was inflated by playing D'Antoni ball. He is a below-average starting SF. We could get the same game from Carlos Delfino at about 1/3 the price.

I don't care for the Ross pick, either, but again, we have to wait and see.

Fields and Ross were two slugs in Clownangelo's off-season gun and he fired blanks. Nash was the other blank. Avoiding any other moves, coupled with trading a lottery pick, was his 4th blank. Trading Lowry for a pick is okay, but not adding anyone else who's ready to "win now" is a losing proposition, otherwise you waste Lowry. Could've added a Scola for peanuts, a Shved through our alleged special "Euro connection" (LOL), even a bargain Delfino (instead of Fields). Extending Demar at this point really downgrades Demar as a future asset: playing like he is now, Demar at 3M is a potentially good asset, but at 10M he is not. I wouldn't say we're "stuck" with Demar, because he's improved, but his extension ties Clownangelo's successor's hands with regards to possible trades and free agent signings.

An off-season full of potential and anticipation, dampened and dumped on, as usual, by Clownangelo.

Fire the clown today.

[J-Roc]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

It's the dumbest argument ever

But then realistically why have they resigned/not fired him yet? Aside from being a smooth talker there has to be a legitimate reason why right?

Fear of the unknown. MLSE don't have basketball minds, and when they hired Babcock, things went south fast. When they hired BC, they had an exec of the year, and then he went on to win another. The part about BC "making money" is just related to fact there hasn't been a fan revolt like when Babcock was here. Bottom line, yes, it's because he's been a smooth talker. Look at all the hardcore fans on this forum who are still drinking his kool-aid. It's not that hard to fathom average fans falling for his crap. Rebuilding.....but without tanking? Fans hear the rebuilding part, but don't understand the execution.

[theSkinny]

I actually think Fields has room to become a much better player, are we over paying? Yes.


Is this year over? No

Does anyone ever remember November in March?

For awhile this season, I thought BC would get fired... Now, I doubt he will.

I look at it like a grass greener scenario, and right now there is no quality GM's available..may as well ride this BC pony till the end of the year.

[david5773]

I actually think Fields has room to become a much better player, are we over paying? Yes.


Is this year over? No

Does anyone ever remember November in March?

For awhile this season, I thought BC would get fired... Now, I doubt he will.

I look at it like a grass greener scenario, and right now there is no quality GM's available..may as well ride this BC pony till the end of the year.

We think all no name GM's are scrubs...but the fact is they are better than BC. Can we just fire the damn guy and stop finding excuses a la MLSE?

[whysoserious]

Most of what he does well is not visible on the stat sheet.

- moving without the ball
- defence
- being where he is supposed to be (not breaking plays)
I can keep going but my point should be clear..


I don't understand posters who have made up their mind on someone who has been broken since he got here.. Why not at lease reserve judgement until the year is done.

I didn't care for TRoss as a pick, or in SL and not that much for the early part of the season.. I'm reserving judgement on him for awhile, so far he is improving his position in my books slowly.

I actually think Landry is not as bad as he's shown while in Toronto. The problem with his signing is you sign guys like him to support a good cast and a competitive team. BC misjudged his roster thinking they would be good as currently constructed, he's the one mentioning accelerated build now and pushing for playoffs. He would have actually been wiser just running with Kleiza at this point. Now Fields is young and fits within the age of the core, but BC has still grossly miscalculated the potential of this roster.

[theSkinny]

I wouldnt say grossly...

How many games have we lost by less than five?

We all knew the start of the season was going to be killer

How many games have there been key players injured? How many have multiple players been injured?

I figured if we were better than 5-17 after the first 22 we would be over performing, we can still do that.

I here what you are saying about Landry WSS, while it may be true... it might not be either.

I ask myself this...

Had Landry not had the nerve issue in his hand and arm making his hand clench involuntarily.

Lowry wasnt hurt to start the season.

The refs werent so blatant in their calls/non calls.

We stole one or two of those close ones.

We could be around 8-10 wins right now... if that were the case, everyone here would be talking playoffs and how we can beat the heat and OKC at the same time with Lowrys arm tied behind his back.. All the while everyone yelping "In BC I Trust" "Casey ZOMG" "Bieber is cute" in every thread.


instead we have a young team full of new players trying to find chemistry, no practice time lots of back to backs and constantly being on the road.

I am just saying be patient with all the knee jerk reactions like davids post above.
(psst grass is not always greener, on the other side of the fence...)

[Big Shot]

We have a beautiful day if it's not raining, snowing, etc......blah, blah, blah.

[Death Knight]

I wouldnt say grossly...

How many games have we lost by less than five?

We all knew the start of the season was going to be killer

How many games have there been key players injured? How many have multiple players been injured?

I figured if we were better than 5-17 after the first 22 we would be over performing, we can still do that.

I here what you are saying about Landry WSS, while it may be true... it might not be either.

I ask myself this...

Had Landry not had the nerve issue in his hand and arm making his hand clench involuntarily.

Lowry wasnt hurt to start the season.

The refs werent so blatant in their calls/non calls.

We stole one or two of those close ones.

We could be around 8-10 wins right now... if that were the case, everyone here would be talking playoffs and how we can beat the heat and OKC at the same time with Lowrys arm tied behind his back.. All the while everyone yelping "In BC I Trust" "Casey ZOMG" "Bieber is cute" in every thread.


instead we have a young team full of new players trying to find chemistry, no practice time lots of back to backs and constantly being on the road.

I am just saying be patient with all the knee jerk reactions like davids post above.
(psst grass is not always greener, on the other side of the fence...)

Are you Eric Smith or Paul Jones by any chance?

[whysoserious]

Skinny, I hear ya. I'm probably more on the negative side of this team lately just because I don't buy in to the roster makeup. There's talent here for sure, but collectively, to me it doesn't work and has no long-term potential for success. Especially with the way we defend and the offense designed the way it is. There are major flaws here is all I'm saying. And BC seems unwilling to admit them or is continuing down this path.

And I agree that the grass isn't necessarily greener. We could fire BC and end up in a completely worse spot than he's put us in. But at this time, after 7 tyears, he hasn't executed a successful plan and has had 1 winning season (his first). To me it's simply time to move. The results post BC's departure don't change what he's done, or moreso what he hasn't done.

I ask this simple question. If 7 years ago, on the day BC was hired, I laid out what happened over the past 7 years as what BC's tenure would be, would you be satisfied?

[DJ KHALED]

No, he won Exec of the year for a reason.

It's a process.