Race to the MVP.

MaliBrah · Post #1321 » by **MaliBrah** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:49 am

OptimusOne6 wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:its funny cause lebron is coasting so far this year , i dont think people have taken that in.

For MVP, coasting does not help Lebron's argument.

I'm not sure why we're arguing who the better player is, it's obvious Lebron still is. This thread is simply about who the MVP is this season and it is quite clearly Durant so far.

yeah and I agree , durant is deserving of the MVP at the moment

MisterWestside · Post #1322 » by **MisterWestside** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 5:10 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:I don't think you get the point. 1 loss obviously doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The point was bringing up his triple double in this thread as a positive is illogical when it came in a loss to the worst team in the league. It doesn't help his case at all.

I don't think that the person who posted that line was using it for anything else but an update.

fallacy · Post #1323 » by **fallacy** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 7:57 am

Guess who leads the NBA in points per possession in post up opportunities? Dwight? Duncan? Lebron? Nope, it's Durant by a lot at 1.26 PPP. Now let's look at where Durant excels at scoring this year.

Isolation: .98 PPP (6th in NBA)
Post-Up: 1.26 PPP (1st in NBA)
P&R roll man: 1.25 PPP (2nd in NBA)
Spot up: 1.41 PPP (7th in NBA)
Off Screen: .88 PPP (12th in NBA)

What position excels at post ups and rolling off of pick and rolls with some spot ups thrown in? Power Foward. I can't wait until Brooks finally plays Durant big minutes at the PF position, especially against teams without a bruising PF. Brooks has been playing around with it this year but he needs to up his minutes there.

Here's Durant as a PF this year (14% of the team's minutes, nearly 20% of his minutes):

119.7 OffRtg, 94.5 DefRtg, .621 eFg%, 45 points, 11.1 rebs, 6.1 assists, 4.2 blocks, 45.5 PER

OptimusOne6 · Post #1324 » by **OptimusOne6** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 8:24 am

28reloaded wrote:Welp after tonight, Durant officially leads the NBA in PER

Durant's now at 26.5 ppg on 65.0 TS%

It's actually funny that you said that because I just checked ESPN's updated stats after tonight and it shows that Lebron is still leading the league in PER.

:lol:

Fail?

KDgoat · Post #1325 » by **KDgoat** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 8:32 am

Lebron just hasn't looked dominant enough to be an MVP. Triple double and still losing to the goddamn Wizards? The same Wizards who were 1-13 before tonight? Averaging 24 points for a month while playing over 30 minutes?

That's not MVP-esque. Meanwhile we have KD averaging 30 over the past month and willing his team to win after win, instead of relying upon Ray Allen to bail him out. Meanwhile, Durant scored 32/5/6, perfect from 3 and FT line, against a much much tougher opponent.

Durant is unarguably the most complete and best player in the league right now. He's made massive strides forward every year, already surpassing Lebron at his current age. Now Durant has become an even better scorer, facilitator, rebounder and defender. He might just be the greatest of all time before he's 30.

tyguy · Post #1326 » by **tyguy** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 9:12 am

Yeah, i'm going to say it's going to take more than a month to unseat the guy who is a three time mvp, nba champion, currently leads the league in PER and has done so for 6 years in a row. Kevin Durant is totally awesome, but I think you are getting a little too excited here.

It's amazing to see a guy really break his game down and find a way to be more versatile, which is exactly what he has done.

carbine23 · Post #1327 » by **carbine23** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 10:19 am

KDgoat wrote:Lebron just hasn't looked dominant enough to be an MVP. Triple double and still losing to the goddamn Wizards? The same Wizards who were 1-13 before tonight? Averaging 24 points for a month while playing over 30 minutes?

That's not MVP-esque. Meanwhile we have KD averaging 30 over the past month and willing his team to win after win, instead of relying upon Ray Allen to bail him out. Meanwhile, Durant scored 32/5/6, perfect from 3 and FT line, against a much much tougher opponent.

Durant is unarguably the most complete and best player in the league right now. He's made massive strides forward every year, already surpassing Lebron at his current age. Now Durant has become an even better scorer, facilitator, rebounder and defender. He might just be the greatest of all time before he's 30.

Slow down there. Omf GOAT BEFORE 30. OH MY EYES

LBJ-ITALY · Post #1328 » by **LBJ-ITALY** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 12:45 pm

KDgoat wrote:Lebron just hasn't looked dominant enough to be an MVP. Triple double and still losing to the goddamn Wizards? The same Wizards who were 1-13 before tonight? Averaging 24 points for a month while playing over 30 minutes?

That's not MVP-esque. Meanwhile we have KD averaging 30 over the past month and willing his team to win after win, instead of relying upon Ray Allen to bail him out. Meanwhile, Durant scored 32/5/6, perfect from 3 and FT line, against a much much tougher opponent.

Durant is unarguably the most complete and best player in the league right now. He's made massive strides forward every year, already surpassing Lebron at his current age. Now Durant has become an even better scorer, facilitator, rebounder and defender. He might just be the greatest of all time before he's 30.

KING CB4 · Post #1329 » by **KING CB4** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:35 pm

Let KD take MVP. But in a potential Finals series with Miami, I think the results stay the same. At the end of the day, he just isn't a better player than LeBron. But if Miami loses to teams like Washington, KD will definitely be taking the MVP. But I also see him crying on his mom's shoulder again by the end of the Finals.

HornetJail · Post #1330 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:43 pm

KDgoat wrote:Lebron just hasn't looked dominant enough to be an MVP. Triple double and still losing to the goddamn Wizards? The same Wizards who were 1-13 before tonight? Averaging 24 points for a month while playing over 30 minutes?

That's not MVP-esque. Meanwhile we have KD averaging 30 over the past month and willing his team to win after win, instead of relying upon Ray Allen to bail him out. Meanwhile, Durant scored 32/5/6, perfect from 3 and FT line, against a much much tougher opponent.

Durant is unarguably the most complete and best player in the league right now. He's made massive strides forward every year, already surpassing Lebron at his current age. Now Durant has become an even better scorer, facilitator, rebounder and defender. He might just be the greatest of all time before he's 30.

Did you just say Durant's a better defender and facilitator that Lebron? :rofl:

TwentyOne920 · Post #1331 » by **TwentyOne920** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:16 pm

KING CB4 wrote:Let KD take MVP. But in a potential Finals series with Miami, I think the results stay the same. At the end of the day, he just isn't a better player than LeBron. But if Miami loses to teams like Washington, KD will definitely be taking the MVP. But I also see him crying on his mom's shoulder again by the end of the Finals.

If you ask me I'm not sure we'll get a rematch of the 2012 Finals.

KING CB4 · Post #1332 » by **KING CB4** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:42 pm

TwentyOne920 wrote:
KING CB4 wrote:Let KD take MVP. But in a potential Finals series with Miami, I think the results stay the same. At the end of the day, he just isn't a better player than LeBron. But if Miami loses to teams like Washington, KD will definitely be taking the MVP. But I also see him crying on his mom's shoulder again by the end of the Finals.

If you ask me I'm not sure we'll get a rematch of the 2012 Finals.

Im not saying its final or anything either. The West is really wide-open this season. Spurs, Grizzlies, Clippers, OKC, Lakers (should improve), and hell, Dallas could even make some noise when Dirk gets back. The East is pretty top-heavy but im not really buying into the Knicks hype. Boston could be a force in the playoffs. Anyways sorry for going OT.

OKCThunderUp35 · Post #1333 » by **OKCThunderUp35** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:11 pm

Durant is an elite defender now, decent rebounder, almost 4 AST's a game, 27 points, 1.5 blocks/steals

What else do you want!

King_John · Post #1334 » by **King_John** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:21 pm

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
KDgoat wrote:Lebron just hasn't looked dominant enough to be an MVP. Triple double and still losing to the goddamn Wizards? The same Wizards who were 1-13 before tonight? Averaging 24 points for a month while playing over 30 minutes?

That's not MVP-esque. Meanwhile we have KD averaging 30 over the past month and willing his team to win after win, instead of relying upon Ray Allen to bail him out. Meanwhile, Durant scored 32/5/6, perfect from 3 and FT line, against a much much tougher opponent.

Durant is unarguably the most complete and best player in the league right now. He's made massive strides forward every year, already surpassing Lebron at his current age. Now Durant has become an even better scorer, facilitator, rebounder and defender. He might just be the greatest of all time before he's 30.

Did you just say Durant's a better defender and facilitator that Lebron?

Troll Alert

Post #1335 » by **slick_watts** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 3:52 pm

Durant's had an amazing start to the season. It's his right now, IMO. Don't think he can keep up these percentages but if he does it'll be a scoring year for the ages.

Post #1336 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:04 pm

OKCThunderUp35 wrote:Durant is an elite defender now, decent rebounder, almost 4 AST's a game, 27 points, 1.5 blocks/steals

What else do you want!

Elite defender? Please don't hang on early Def rating and DWS returns as your argument, because he certainly isn't an elite defender. His length can be irritating at best.

He's only marginally improved on his awful A/TO ratio this season, too.

That being said, I'd still put him at #1 in the race. Posts like these are a problem, though.

Bravely Done · Post #1337 » by **Bravely Done** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:47 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
OKCThunderUp35 wrote:Durant is an elite defender now, decent rebounder, almost 4 AST's a game, 27 points, 1.5 blocks/steals

What else do you want!

Elite defender? Please don't hang on early Def rating and DWS returns as your argument, because he certainly isn't an elite defender. His length can be irritating at best.

He's only marginally improved on his awful A/TO ratio this season, too.

That being said, I'd still put him at #1 in the race. Posts like these are a problem, though.

Durant has been a borderline great defender going on two seasons now. Last season he was a beast when iso'd, but struggled off ball. This seasons he's improved his overall defensive awareness and it has greatly increased his defensive impact.

So no, his post wasn't a problem.

PCProductions · Post #1338 » by **PCProductions** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 5:31 pm

Bron just missed a couple of threes, no big deal. He was still clutch down the line with a nice drive and an assist for a three. These games happen. I think this Thursday will be an important game for MVP voters.

Tron Carter · Post #1339 » by **Tron Carter** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 5:34 pm

PCProductions wrote:Bron just missed a couple of threes, no big deal. He was still clutch down the line with a nice drive and an assist for a three. These games happen. I think this Thursday will be an important game for MVP voters.

Missed 3's don't bother me as much as the missed missed free throws. Seemed to have a little bit of a mental hold at the line to tie the game.

PCProductions · Post #1340 » by **PCProductions** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 5:42 pm

HakeemKnicks wrote:
PCProductions wrote:Bron just missed a couple of threes, no big deal. He was still clutch down the line with a nice drive and an assist for a three. These games happen. I think this Thursday will be an important game for MVP voters.

Missed 3's don't bother me as much as the missed missed free throws. Seemed to have a little bit of a mental hold at the line to tie the game.

Yeah that was frustrating certainly but you really can't blame this loss on Lebron he played well. I think more than anything it just shows that Miami can't get away with coasting every game, even if it's the Wiz. If you've watched any of their games this season they have had a habit of depending on turning it up in the fourth, and this time it didn't save them.

That being said, I'm pretty amped for the Knicks vs Heat game tomorrow.