Morneau available, is this the DH we need?

[Deadpool_X]

Rumors on Rotoworld.com have Morneau being inquired about from a few teams but mainly the Orioles. Is this maybe the DH we have been looking for? The article suggests Minnesota would be looking for young pitching in return (which we have tonnes of mediocre talent in the minors for). He is a good Canadian boy which is a bonus, but he also has the potential to get back into swinging the bat like he used to.

thoughts?

[tiger7]

Poor Morneau that Johnny Mac flying knee really messed up his career. Worth taking a high risk/high reward chance on him. He can't be any worse than Lind.

[satyr9]

He makes 14m next year. Without offsets, there's no way the Jays are in a position to add him. If they took Lind and Buck back then sure, but I fail to see how that'd be in Minny's interest when the reason to move him is to shed payroll.

[Deadpool_X]

He makes 14m next year. Without offsets, there's no way the Jays are in a position to add him. If they took Lind and Buck back then sure, but I fail to see how that'd be in Minny's interest when the reason to move him is to shed payroll.

Yeah I suppose that would be the biggest hurdle. I think the Jays could really benefit from adding another good Canadian boy to this line up and take the hype train to another level. That would be the selling feature from me to the board making these decisions. At worst he will hit what he hit last year and still be better than Lind.

[MGD24]

NO!

and who cares if he is Canadian. I never got that.

[James_Raptors]

If you saw his numbers, his ticket ($), health concerns, but they excluded his name and nationality, would you still be interested ?

[Redeemer]

If you saw his numbers, his ticket ($), health concerns, but they excluded his name and nationality, would you still be interested ?

exactly, i know some people are patriotic but honestly who cares? same goes with ryan dempster. fans think since they are canadian they want to play for the jays, that isn't the case most of the time.

besides id rather have EE at DH and have some turd play first instead of lind.

[Ong_dynasty]

If they took Lind and Buck.
Then why not? what is that an extra $3mill to pay. or lind + they gives us around 5 million

But either than that..then no.

[Raptor_Guy]

People really need to get over Morneau, I hate how people say "him being Canadian is just a bonus" cuz I'd say it's pretty clear people only bring him up because he's Canadian, even if it's a subconsious thing.

You're talking about a guy with major health concerns making a ton of money and can't hit lefties anymore.

[Deadpool_X]

People really need to get over Morneau, I hate how people say "him being Canadian is just a bonus" cuz I'd say it's pretty clear people only bring him up because he's Canadian, even if it's a subconsious thing.

You're talking about a guy with major health concerns making a ton of money and can't hit lefties anymore.

Wow, you guys write with such an angry tone its not even funny. I said him being Canadian is a plus because it IS good for marketing (you can't argue that). If you don't care that he is Canadian, it simply doesn't matter because its the mass market they do marketing for, not hard core fans. He doesn't have MAJOR health concerns, he was relativity healthy all year. The possibility that he could go back to hitting a decent average and pop out 25hr is the intriguing part. The main point of this is that he is available; it wouldn't take much to get him, and he has huge potential.

Lighten up guys, argue and discuss with a more polite attitude and more will get accomplished. That doesn't just go for the fella I quoted btw.

[James_Raptors]

People really need to get over Morneau, I hate how people say "him being Canadian is just a bonus" cuz I'd say it's pretty clear people only bring him up because he's Canadian, even if it's a subconsious thing.

You're talking about a guy with major health concerns making a ton of money and can't hit lefties anymore.

Wow, you guys wright with such an angry tone its not even funny. I said him being Canadian is a plus because it IS good for marketing (you can't argue that). If you don't care that he is Canadian, it simply doesn't matter because its the mass market they do marketing for, not hard core fans. He doesn't have MAJOR health concerns, he was relativity healthy all year. The point is the possibility that he could go back to hitting a decent average and pop out 25hr. The point of this is that he is available, it wouldn't take much to get him, and he has huge potential.

Lighten up guys, argue and discuss with a more polite attitude and more will get accomplished. That doesn't just go for the fella I quoted btw.

Who else is it directed to?
I asked a sincerely honest question, which you did not directed answer, but instead you closed your eyes, waved your finger around (failing to name other individuals). I'm not upset in the slightest. I don't need to lighten up, unless you're expecting me to float on air It's just a simple question on a baseball forum, what's to get excited over"?

[Deadpool_X]

If they took Lind and Buck.
Then why not? what is that an extra $3mill to pay. or lind + they gives us around 5 million

But either than that..then no.

Wait, why do we care how much money they spend again? This isn't the Raptors board, their is no salary cap. There is something to be said for taking on reasonable contracts, but it just isn't necessary like it is in other sports.

For what I pay for my Phone/Cable/Internet I would like to see them overspend a little

[CapeCrusader]

Lind would either have to be part of the deal, but even if not he would be sent somewhere to at least shed his salary. But back to point, Morneau would a be a good fit for this team. Batting in the middle of our order would take a lot of the pressure off the guy.

Dude is former MVP, being Canadian only adds to his value and jersey sales. Looking at last year, he looks like he might be getting back to his old ways. Also if we were to add him and it didn't work out, then we let him walk th next year as a FA.

[satyr9]

Wait, why do we care how much money they spend again? This isn't the Raptors board, their is no salary cap. There is something to be said for taking on reasonable contracts, but it just isn't necessary like it is in other sports.

For what I pay for my Phone/Cable/Internet I would like to see them overspend a little

We care because, as much as we'd prefer otherwise, the Blue Jays have a budget and it's worth discussing what the value of Morneau is in relation to it. I don't give half a goat's afternoon bowel movement how much money Rogers makes or loses, but I promise you that they do. And since they do care, it affects the kind of roster the Jays can put on the field and that makes player salaries and production a fan interest. This is especially true when we're talking about hypothetical moves we think the Jays should/could/might make that have less than a 1% chance of occurring. We're talking to pass time, so why not bring up salaries and payrolls as a factor? I can't think of a reason myself. I'd also like to point out you posted about his Canadianness being a marketing advantage, which is part and parcel of the exact same equation. He costs 14m, but he'd bring in x of revenue we wouldn't otherwise see, so he really only costs us 14m-x, making him more valuable to the Jays than MIN or otherwise.

I will say I take your approach much more after the money's spent. For instance, if you'd floated the exact deal the Jays made with the Marlins before it was made, it'd be a tougher sell to me because I'd see the insane escalation of salary for Reyes and Buehrle and immediately have flashbacks to the 08/09, well that didn't work period after the 06 spending spree where we were staring a 5-6 year tear down and rebuild while we waited for Vdub's grotesque contract to disappear. So, while I love JJ and don't mind the prospect cost of the whole thing, Reyes/Buehrle in a TOR baseball marketplace terrify me, at least they do in theory. But once it's done, there's no sense assuming the worst anymore. I'll take the Jays on their face that they aren't idiots and they know those salaries are huge and they've factored that into their future plans. In essence the deal itself provides information that alters the landscape on which to judge the deal. That's tautological and if there are any philosophy professors out there I'm sure there's more wrong with it than that as a logical sequence, but nonetheless it makes perfect sense in my muddled consciousness.

[Randle McMurphy]

I'd do it in an ideal world, especially if we could send them Lind in the deal. Morneau destroys righties (.900 OPS still) and he does it in a park that completely suppresses offense. There's a very good chance he'd hit much better in the RC. He'd also be an upgrade defensively at 1B on EE or Lind. You'd obviously need a platoon partner in the event of his continued sucking vs. LHP, but they'll need that with Lind anyway.

Of course, the Jays might be able to find a better way to spend that money than on a Lind replacement (if they even plan to spend any more at all).

[Mad-Eye Moody]

AA mentioned that Gibbons is planning on giving Lind another chance vs. LHP. AA also said he's looking at options to improve bullpen and rotation depth, but they feel pretty confident with the offense. I guess that means we'll be seeing Lind full time again. Hopefully he gets a much shorter leash this time though.

[why22]

Lind for Morneau straight up makes sense if we can't do anything else with the money. Pretty much little risk high reward since were talking about Lind.

[CapeCrusader]

AA mentioned that Gibbons is planning on giving Lind another chance vs. LHP. AA also said he's looking at options to improve bullpen and rotation depth, but they feel pretty confident with the offense. I guess that means we'll be seeing Lind full time again. Hopefully he gets a much shorter leash this time though.

Anything can drop of a dime of a hat. At least one can hope.

[EventHorizon]

Lind has to be going the other way. I think Lind+Stroman for Morneau is fair for both. Morneau is a one year rental with very high upside. No leap of faith required.

[satyr9]

Anything can drop of a dime of a hat.

I'm not sure what this means, but it's almost sig-worthy to me.