Race to the MVP.

[KDgoat]

Melo at 89 is not something I agree with, but that's again meaningless numerical ranking.

I do think there's only one facet of the game where Melo outshines Durant, and that is his offensive skillset. Then again, Durant is an equally elite scorer and does it at a level of efficiency that Melo can only dream of.

Melo is not in this discussion when it comes to Lebron, Durant and Kobe right now (when discussing perimeter MVP candidates, Duncan is still up there).

[28reloaded]

I love the fact that Carmelo is paraded as near Durant's level when there is not one statistic that suggests this. Durant is literally better in EVERY facet of the game and the majority of them are large gaps.

26.5 ppg 65.0 TS% on 51.4/45.5/90.3 vs 26.6 ppg 57.7 TS% on 46.4/43.5/80.3 is somehow virtually equal when it comes to scoring

[Tron Carter]

I love the fact that Carmelo is paraded as near Durant's level when there is not one statistic that suggests this. Durant is literally better in EVERY facet of the game and the majority of them are large gaps.

26.5 ppg 65.0 TS% on 51.4/45.5/90.3 vs 26.6 ppg 57.7 TS% on 46.4/43.5/80.3 is somehow virtually equal when it comes to scoring

Durant has the Most Statistically Advanced Player locked down. I can already hear it raining down from the rafters of the Chesapeake Energy Arena as he goes 18 for 18 from the line.

M-S-A-P! M-S-A-P! M-S-A-P!

[28reloaded]

I love the fact that Carmelo is paraded as near Durant's level when there is not one statistic that suggests this. Durant is literally better in EVERY facet of the game and the majority of them are large gaps.

26.5 ppg 65.0 TS% on 51.4/45.5/90.3 vs 26.6 ppg 57.7 TS% on 46.4/43.5/80.3 is somehow virtually equal when it comes to scoring

Durant has the Most Statistically Advanced Player locked down. I can already hear it raining down from the rafters of the Chesapeake Energy Arena as he goes 18 for 18 from the line.

M-S-A-P! M-S-A-P! M-S-A-P!

Yep TS% sure is advanced.

How about 26.5 ppg 51.4 FG% vs 26.6 ppg 46.4 FG%

That better?

[Tron Carter]

I love the fact that Carmelo is paraded as near Durant's level when there is not one statistic that suggests this. Durant is literally better in EVERY facet of the game and the majority of them are large gaps.

26.5 ppg 65.0 TS% on 51.4/45.5/90.3 vs 26.6 ppg 57.7 TS% on 46.4/43.5/80.3 is somehow virtually equal when it comes to scoring

Durant has the Most Statistically Advanced Player locked down. I can already hear it raining down from the rafters of the Chesapeake Energy Arena as he goes 18 for 18 from the line.

M-S-A-P! M-S-A-P! M-S-A-P!

Yep TS% sure is advanced.

How about 26.5 ppg 51.4 FG% vs 26.6 ppg 46.4 FG%

That better?

Come on man, you gotta dumb it down to wins and losses for me.

[28reloaded]

Yep TS% sure is advanced.

How about 26.5 ppg 51.4 FG% vs 26.6 ppg 46.4 FG%

That better?

Come on man, you gotta dumb it down to wins and losses for me.[/quote]

Memphis has the best record in the league. Z-BO=MVP

[Tron Carter]

Lol.

Z-BO is actually gaining momentum as an MVP candidate so I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not.

[28reloaded]

Lol.

Z-BO is actually gaining momentum as an MVP candidate so I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not.

I'm not sure if you're really using W-L as an accurate measurement for comparing Durant/LeBron and Melo. And I hope you do realize the Thunder are 15-4, while the Knicks are 12-4.

[Tron Carter]

Lol.

Z-BO is actually gaining momentum as an MVP candidate so I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not.

I'm not sure if you're really using W-L as an accurate measurement for comparing Durant/LeBron and Melo. And I hope you do realize the Thunder are 15-4, while the Knicks are 12-4.

Exactly.

This whole thread is premature. That's why it's funny when guys bring up advanced statistics and give their own little power rankings when arguing as to why one player deserves MVP over another. Dumb it down. It really shouldn't go much farther then guys like LeBron,Durant,Melo,Duncan, and Z-Bo are on the radar early in the season.

I'm a firm believer that the true "race to the mvp" begins when conference standings get tighter and games start to become more significant for post season position.

[28reloaded]

It's pointless discussing this with you. Durant's about to blow this race wide open over the next month anyway.

12/7 LAL
12/9 Indiana
12/12 New Orleans
12/14 Sacramento
12/17 San Antonio
12/19 @ Atlanta
12/21 @ Minnesota
12/25 @ Miami
12/27 Dallas
12/29 @ Houston
12/31 Phoenix
1/2 Brooklyn
1/4 Philly
1/6 @ Toronto
1/7 @ Washington
1/9 Minnesota


They will probably be something like 29-6 at the end of that stretch and he will have a commanding lead. Honestly aside from San Antonio, @ Atlanta, @ Minnesota, @ Miami, and @ Houston, I'm not sure I see a game they won't win by 10+ points

[TheGarden]

Carmelo owns Durant

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =duranke01

the proof is here

[Bravely Done]

Carmelo owns Durant

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =duranke01

the proof is here

This is pathetic.


They haven't played one another since Melo was traded to the Knicks. Think about that.

[WinisKing]

It's pointless discussing this with you. Durant's about to blow this race wide open over the next month anyway.

12/7 LAL
12/9 Indiana
12/12 New Orleans
12/14 Sacramento
12/17 San Antonio
12/19 @ Atlanta
12/21 @ Minnesota
12/25 @ Miami
12/27 Dallas
12/29 @ Houston
12/31 Phoenix
1/2 Brooklyn
1/4 Philly
1/6 @ Toronto
1/7 @ Washington
1/9 Minnesota


They will probably be something like 29-6 at the end of that stretch and he will have a commanding lead. Honestly aside from San Antonio, @ Atlanta, @ Minnesota, @ Miami, and @ Houston, I'm not sure I see a game they won't win by 10+ points

Heat just lost to the Wizards, you never know

[slick_watts]

Carmelo owns Durant

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =duranke01

the proof is here

Could you maybe explain what signifiance these statistics have to the discussion? The last game they played against one another was the 2010-11 season; all but three of those games occurred before the Thunder were a playoff team.

[28reloaded]

As for the people crying about Durant's foul calls, they're really not that high. Although his drawn foul rate when in ISO sets is out of this world.

He's at 18.2% in ISO's

For comparison
Kobe 5.1
Carmelo 12.6
LeBron 11.8
Wade 12.8


Hell even Pierce, who has always been notorious for drawing fouls in ISO's with pump fakes and jumping into defenders, is only at 13.9

[28reloaded]

Carmelo owns Durant

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =duranke01

the proof is here

So basically a prime Carmelo owned a 18-20 year old kid. Congrats.

[slick_watts]

As for the people crying about Durant's foul calls, they're really not that high. Although his drawn foul rate when in ISO sets is out of this world.

He's at 18.2% in ISO's

For comparison
Kobe 5.1
Carmelo 12.6
LeBron 11.8
Wade 12.8


Hell even Pierce, who has always been notorious for drawing fouls in ISO's with pump fakes and jumping into defenders, is only at 13.9

Note that if you are getting this from Synergy it's % Shooting Foul not % Foul.

[KING CB4]

Carmelo owns Durant

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =duranke01

the proof is here

Durant has already been deep in the playoffs twice. Melo loses in the 1st round every season.

[Yunsen]

Carmelo owns Durant

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =duranke01

the proof is here

We're talking about MVP for THIS season, otherwise this argument would have ended with the first person who mentioned Lebron.

[bbms]

Kind of funny these arguments used by Knicks fans to explain Knicks 3pt efficiency, when Knicks are actually a more efficient scoring team with Camelo out... Knicks score 110 per 100 possessions with Melo on, but Knicks overall score is 113 per 100. It would be absurd not to recognize Melo's having a great season. But you can't deny Knicks role player casting is having a huge impact.

5 players on 3+ 3pt attempt scoring 40% of them, is really impressive.

Now let's watch and see if Melo's really being doubled and tripled every possession. Lol.

Knicks should really be proud of Melo. he's having a great season thus far. But come on, there are basketball monsters out there going way beyond Melo's impact. Thunder is having a 123 points per possession with Durant on and overall they're worse than Knicks. This is undeniable huge impact. While scoring almost the same on a 8% of TS difference. LeBron is in the 120 points per 100 too and still, Knicks are leading in offensive rating.

Melo's raw production is great. His efficiency is great. But he gets tiny when compared to Durant, Duncan, LeBron. Advanced Stats aren't taken in consideration in MVP voting. True. Voters usually don't read this. But for those who make further analysis of the game, it's pretty clear Melo's impact does not match other guys in the league.