Constructive Criticism Thread - What needs to change?

[TRG]

It's fairly safe to say that we suck right now... We've gotten blown out by a depleted Knicks team twice, we barely beat a depleted Cavs and Spurs team, and we've even recently lost to the worst team in basketball (Wizards).

So this is the thread where we can discuss what has been going wrong and what needs to change. All of you fairweather doom and gloom whiners with nothing to contribute can kindly exit this thread please and thank you.

In my opinion these are some of our biggest issues right now:

1) Defensive scheme: Teams are starting to regularly exploit our tendency to over-help on defense. We consistently collapse 2 defenders on the ball which eventually leads to an open shot by the opposition when our players rotate too slowly. The defense is great when everyone is giving their full effort but when you have players like Wade being lazy at times the entire defense is broken down (which leads to a **** ton of open 3's). There is a reason so many scrubs go off on us night in and night out.

2) Terrible PG play: Chalmers and Cole have been GOD AWFUL so far this season. Just look at their stats... Mario can't seem to do anything right at the moment (can't shoot, can't defend, pass, etc), and although Cole has seen a bit more success on the defensive end, his offense still leaves a LOT to be desired and he still makes tons of low IQ plays out there.

3) UD: It's time to stick a fork in this guy... He's done. Only way he can consistently score these days is through a LBJ assist right under the basket. And even then he still gets swatted a lot since he has no more lift in his legs. Having an undersized big out there who can barely defend and makes no sense for us. Not sure if he's good for anything other than rebounding (which he's only slightly above average at) or taking charges anymore.

4) Wade: Wade simply hasn't been playing like the Wade we once knew. He's been far more inconsistent offensively and most of all he can't seem to keep anyone in front of him right now (which is our biggest problem when you combine the terrible perimeter defense by Ray and Mario). I'm still not sure if he's just working through injuries or if he's really starting to decline. Regardless, he NEEDS to step it up especially on the defensive end.

[Altered_Beast]

yes that is why i made the other thread this one should be for serious discussion. first and foremost this team should change the defensive strategy. it still baffles me why we run the same defense regardless of which team we face. those stupid double teams off PnR's just kill our spacing and when you dont have defenders that are actively and relentlessly closing out (everyone else except cole and lebron) you just give up too many open 3s.

some people say that all these threes are just people getting lucky (wayne ellington,cassipi,etc. etc.) but in reality they are quality shots that any capable nba player should make.

so yeah thats my philosophy, its not really the lineups that we run that i think is killing our defense its more of the strategy and execution.

[OtW]

It's certainly not "doom and gloom". Things will get better my play off time, but you don't want to chance it. Even when we tried turning it on near the end of the third quarter, bad habits that we got from coasting for so long, pretty much killed the run. It was that play when Wade was defending two people in the paint (someone forgot their man) and he had to try to close against a guy that was one pass away as a result of someone else making a mistake on defense.

Things will get MUCH MUCH better when we start playing the MIAMI HEAT DEFENSE we hung our hat on for so many seasons. However, when your guards forget to/are not capable of playing good defense, giving up too much dribble penetration (Chalmers, Wade [sometimes] Allen, Miller, I am looking at you guys), and you only have one good/decent interior presence on D, you are going to have a bad time.

[TRG]

EDIT: Double post.

[TRG]

Yeah we're pretty much going through an identity crisis right now I'm not sure if I've ever seen such a terrible Miami Heat team (defensively I mean).

I think it's both a systematic and an effort thing for us right now. Cause we did end up winning the chip and playing some great D with most of the players we have now... The additions of Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis shouldn't tank our defense as badly as it has.

[LeChosen1]

Someone tell Bosh that with being a center he has to get boards, I want 10+ a game from him

[TRG]

Someone tell Bosh that with being a center he has to get boards, I want 10+ a game from him

He's currently averaging 8.2 rebounds a game which isn't too shabby for a big (career 9.1 REB per game).

Bosh is just one of those players that is either extremely good or extremely bad... Tonight was the latter unfortunately. But overall I don't think he's one of our main issues right now.

[cb1]

It's fairly safe to say that we suck right now... We've gotten blown out by a depleted Knicks team twice, we barely beat a depleted Cavs and Spurs team, and we've even recently lost to the worst team in basketball (Wizards).

So this is the thread where we can discuss what has been going wrong and what needs to change. All of you fairweather doom and gloom whiners with nothing to contribute can kindly exit this thread please and thank you.

In my opinion these are some of our biggest issues right now:

1) Defensive scheme: Teams are starting to regularly exploit our tendency to over-help on defense. We consistently collapse 2 defenders on the ball which eventually leads to an open shot by the opposition when our players rotate too slowly. The defense is great when everyone is giving their full effort but when you have players like Wade being lazy at times the entire defense is broken down (which leads to a **** ton of open 3's). There is a reason so many scrubs go off on us night in and night out.

2) Terrible PG play: Chalmers and Cole have been GOD AWFUL so far this season. Mario can't seem to do anything right at the moment (can't shoot, can't defend, pass, etc), and although Cole has seen a bit more success on the defensive end, his offense still leaves a LOT to be desired and he still makes tons of low IQ plays out there.

3) UD: It's time to stick a fork in this guy... He's done. Only way he can consistently score these days is through a LBJ assist right under the basket. And even then he still gets swatted a lot since he has no more lift in his legs. Having an undersized big out there who can barely defend and makes no sense for us. Not sure if he's good for anything other than rebounding (which he's only slightly above average at) or taking charges anymore.

4) Wade: Wade simply hasn't been playing like the Wade we once knew. He's been far more inconsistent offensively and most of all he can't seem to keep anyone in front of him right now (which is our biggest problem when you combine the terrible perimeter defense by Ray and Mario). I'm still not sure if he's just working through injuries or if he's really starting to decline. Regardless, he NEEDS to step it up especially on the defensive end.

The scheme isn't the issue because it is battle tested. It's the perimeter defense from Rio and Wade that is killing us and the lack of interior shot blocking which is a result of the small ball garbage. People who support small ball forget that our defense was very average in the Boston series when Rondo was killing us and we basically won the Finals by outscoring the Thunder because they were terrible defensively. The way we fix our problems is by playing bigger. I wouldn't mind seeing Joel back in the starting lineup and Bosh going back to the 4. We also have to play Cole more to stay infront of the quick pgs and Wade has to get his head out his ass. I truly believe that small ball will be out demise if we don't get away from it. Giving Jorts a chance wouldn't hurt us either. It sucks that we have such a stubborn coach who won't make these basic changes.

[FlashKing]

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[LeChosen1]

Heat look the New Orleans Saints out there

[TripleC]

Someone tell Bosh that with being a center he has to get boards, I want 10+ a game from him

He's currently averaging 8.2 rebounds a game which isn't too shabby for a big (career 9.1 REB per game).

Bosh is just one of those players that is either extremely good or extremely bad... Tonight was the latter unfortunately. But overall I don't think he's one of our main issues right now.

I knew he'd have a horrible night when he misses his opening jumpers. It always happens.

[cb1]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kowv6l2CBD0[/youtube]

Read my actual response and come up with a rebuttal if you care about being objective and not all sunshine and rainbows.

[Altered_Beast]

thats what ive been saying but trg also has a point. we can run a small lineup for stretches in games if and only if our perimeter defenders our busting their balls on the closeouts but do you honestly expect that from wade who much rather prefer to play man on man d or roam the paint like a safety. its not conducive to his style and it never will be so ill give it a pass. who else can defend on the perimeter for us besides cole and the obvious lebron?

absolutely no one. im gonna have an seizure if i see one more pointless double team off the pnr where the other team just has to swing the ball out for an open 3

[TRG]

It's fairly safe to say that we suck right now... We've gotten blown out by a depleted Knicks team twice, we barely beat a depleted Cavs and Spurs team, and we've even recently lost to the worst team in basketball (Wizards).

So this is the thread where we can discuss what has been going wrong and what needs to change. All of you fairweather doom and gloom whiners with nothing to contribute can kindly exit this thread please and thank you.

In my opinion these are some of our biggest issues right now:

1) Defensive scheme: Teams are starting to regularly exploit our tendency to over-help on defense. We consistently collapse 2 defenders on the ball which eventually leads to an open shot by the opposition when our players rotate too slowly. The defense is great when everyone is giving their full effort but when you have players like Wade being lazy at times the entire defense is broken down (which leads to a **** ton of open 3's). There is a reason so many scrubs go off on us night in and night out.

2) Terrible PG play: Chalmers and Cole have been GOD AWFUL so far this season. Mario can't seem to do anything right at the moment (can't shoot, can't defend, pass, etc), and although Cole has seen a bit more success on the defensive end, his offense still leaves a LOT to be desired and he still makes tons of low IQ plays out there.

3) UD: It's time to stick a fork in this guy... He's done. Only way he can consistently score these days is through a LBJ assist right under the basket. And even then he still gets swatted a lot since he has no more lift in his legs. Having an undersized big out there who can barely defend and makes no sense for us. Not sure if he's good for anything other than rebounding (which he's only slightly above average at) or taking charges anymore.

4) Wade: Wade simply hasn't been playing like the Wade we once knew. He's been far more inconsistent offensively and most of all he can't seem to keep anyone in front of him right now (which is our biggest problem when you combine the terrible perimeter defense by Ray and Mario). I'm still not sure if he's just working through injuries or if he's really starting to decline. Regardless, he NEEDS to step it up especially on the defensive end.

The scheme isn't the issue because it is battle tested. It's the perimeter defense from Rio and Wade that is killing us and the lack of interior shot blocking which is a result of the small ball garbage. People who support small ball forget that our defense was very average in the Boston series when Rondo was killing us and we basically won the Finals by outscoring the Thunder because they were terrible defensively. The way we fix our problems is by playing bigger. I wouldn't mind seeing Joel back in the starting lineup and Bosh going back to the 4. We also have to play Cole more to stay infront of the quick pgs and Wade has to get his head out his ass. I truly believe that small ball will be out demise if we don't get away from it. Giving Jorts a chance wouldn't hurt us either. It sucks that we have such a stubborn coach who won't make these basic changes.

It is battle tested (like I said it works great when everyone is giving their full effort), but it is NOT battle tested throughout the regular season when players aren't willing to consistently give their 100%. We ran with Joel much, much more last two seasons with a more "traditional" lineup.

I think this team should go back to the traditional lineup (Joel at C and Bosh at PF) and only resort to small ball when we can really exploit it against other teams. Small ball is simply not going to work against teams with great big men like Memphis or the Spurs. But it's pretty much guaranteed not to work against anyone if Wade/Rio/Ray consistently allow so many guards to pass them like turnstiles. If we're going to allow so many guards to get dribble penetration so often then we need a shot blocker. We just made Raymond Felton look like Derrick Rose tonight.

[EscapoTHB]

Joel sucks. Do people not remember when he used to start? Teams didn't defend him and he wrecked our spacing. And he doesn't rebound.

Best start in franchise history yeah? We are fine.

A little more effort and attention to detail is all that needs changed. There is nothing sweeping that needs to be done.

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[TripleC]

Hey at least we didn't lose to Cleveland in 2010-2011 season for the first meeting like Lakers did with Orlando.

cheer up guys

[FlashKing]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kowv6l2CBD0[/youtube]

Read my actual response and come up with a rebuttal if you care about being objective and not all sunshine and rainbows.

What gave you the impression that I was talking to you?

Funny how everything is doom and gloom for some of you in December. Then again, It wouldn't be a Miami Heat board without pessimism.

[EscapoTHB]

It's fairly safe to say that we suck right now... We've gotten blown out by a depleted Knicks team twice, we barely beat a depleted Cavs and Spurs team, and we've even recently lost to the worst team in basketball (Wizards).

So this is the thread where we can discuss what has been going wrong and what needs to change. All of you fairweather doom and gloom whiners with nothing to contribute can kindly exit this thread please and thank you.

In my opinion these are some of our biggest issues right now:

1) Defensive scheme: Teams are starting to regularly exploit our tendency to over-help on defense. We consistently collapse 2 defenders on the ball which eventually leads to an open shot by the opposition when our players rotate too slowly. The defense is great when everyone is giving their full effort but when you have players like Wade being lazy at times the entire defense is broken down (which leads to a **** ton of open 3's). There is a reason so many scrubs go off on us night in and night out.

2) Terrible PG play: Chalmers and Cole have been GOD AWFUL so far this season. Mario can't seem to do anything right at the moment (can't shoot, can't defend, pass, etc), and although Cole has seen a bit more success on the defensive end, his offense still leaves a LOT to be desired and he still makes tons of low IQ plays out there.

3) UD: It's time to stick a fork in this guy... He's done. Only way he can consistently score these days is through a LBJ assist right under the basket. And even then he still gets swatted a lot since he has no more lift in his legs. Having an undersized big out there who can barely defend and makes no sense for us. Not sure if he's good for anything other than rebounding (which he's only slightly above average at) or taking charges anymore.

4) Wade: Wade simply hasn't been playing like the Wade we once knew. He's been far more inconsistent offensively and most of all he can't seem to keep anyone in front of him right now (which is our biggest problem when you combine the terrible perimeter defense by Ray and Mario). I'm still not sure if he's just working through injuries or if he's really starting to decline. Regardless, he NEEDS to step it up especially on the defensive end.

The scheme isn't the issue because it is battle tested. It's the perimeter defense from Rio and Wade that is killing us and the lack of interior shot blocking which is a result of the small ball garbage. People who support small ball forget that our defense was very average in the Boston series when Rondo was killing us and we basically won the Finals by outscoring the Thunder because they were terrible defensively. The way we fix our problems is by playing bigger. I wouldn't mind seeing Joel back in the starting lineup and Bosh going back to the 4. We also have to play Cole more to stay infront of the quick pgs and Wade has to get his head out his ass. I truly believe that small ball will be out demise if we don't get away from it. Giving Jorts a chance wouldn't hurt us either. It sucks that we have such a stubborn coach who won't make these basic changes.

It is battle tested (like I said it works great when everyone is giving their full effort), but it is NOT battle tested throughout the regular season when players aren't willing to consistently give their 100%. We ran with Joel much, much more last two seasons with a more "traditional" lineup.

I think this team should go back to the traditional lineup (Joel at C and Bosh at PF) and only resort to small ball when we can really exploit it against other teams. Small ball is simply not going to work against teams with great big men like Memphis or the Spurs. But it's pretty much guaranteed not to work against anyone if Wade/Rio/Ray consistently allow so many guards to pass them like turnstiles. If we're going to allow so many guards to get dribble penetration so often then we need a shot blocker. We just made Raymond Felton look like Derrick Rose tonight.

The spurs don't have great big men. Dribble penetration on sloppy pnr defense is the problem. Which has nothing to do with size. Chalmers and wade and Cole are killing us not going small. If one of those guys was Tony Allen we'd be fine

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[GameTime_3]

Spo is hurting this team....The switching and lack of adjustments really played a huge factor today. How many times did the NY go P&R to find either Bosh/UD or Joel at the top of the paint? I would say over 40% of the game, which is sad. It was a simple issue that Spo didn't catch.

[TRG]

Joel sucks. Do people not remember when he used to start? Teams didn't defend him and he wrecked our spacing. And he doesn't rebound.

Joel does suck, but right now I'd say UD, Cole, and Mario suck just as much if not harder.

Seriously though are we supposed to just hope and pray that UD miraculously turns everything around by the playoffs or something?