Game Thread: Wizards vs Warriors [12/8/2012 - 7:00P ET]

closg00 · Post #121 » by **closg00** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 3:48 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:Comcast sports net was questioning wizards past draft picks trading the 5 pick for role players and drafting Vesley.

hands11 · Post #122 » by **hands11** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 3:49 am

The Price injury may well turn out to be the best thing that could happen to this team since Randy wouldn't line them up correctly by choice.

With Price down, they are finally down to Crawford and Livingston at PG and they are running thin on bodies with the two Trevors out. Looks like they will need to shuffle the deck up which should get Ves back on the court.

Crawford/Livingston
Beal/Webster
Singleton/Martin
Nene/Kevin
Okafor/Ves/Barron or Barron/Ves or start either over Okafor. I wouldn't be upset at all.

And to think they let Dray go for nothing because the fans ran him out of town. Nice.

Now they got Price out of the starting line up finally and in doing so, they should be adding Crawford. That is a double win. This may also get Webster into the SG slot which I have wanted to see.

The Price injury might be the best thing that could have happened to this team. If Randy was smart, he would start Webster at SG instead of Beal. But I'm not counting on it. But Beal should look better with Crawford and Nene out there.

Limited options is going to make Randy look like a better coach.

jivelikenice · Post #123 » by **jivelikenice** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:01 am

With nene and Kevin healthy, why is Randy insisting on starting Okafor? He gives us nothing and is a detriment because inevitably the ball finds him and he feels obligated to shoot....he should be out of the rotation at this point....

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #124 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:08 am

The limited options are going to get him fired IMO.

He looked like a good coach in the win over Miami. Ariza got hurt and they lost to Atlanta when they suddenly couldn't defend the perimeter or rebound, two things he did pretty well. Livingston had 3 fouls in 4 minutes. Webster didn't step up against Atlanta. You can't blame him for the rebounds that Nene and Kevin don't grab.

Tonight the rebounding was RIDICULOUS

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lees-24-po ... --nba.html

The Warriors, winners of 10 of their last 12, are now 6-1 against the East. They had a 57-37 advantage on the boards.

Still, Beal had the score 96-97 with 8.2 seconds before they intentionally fouled Curry. At 99-97 they had a chance to tie.

I think Randy is a decent to good coach but he has the worst luck with rosters and injuries. He's going to be fired, very likely, sooner than later.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #125 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:13 am

jivelikenice wrote:With nene and Kevin healthy, why is Randy insisting on starting Okafor? He gives us nothing and is a detriment because inevitably the ball finds him and he feels obligated to shoot....he should be out of the rotation at this point....

I would like to see a frontcourt of Vesely (SF), Nene, Seraphin with Crawford and Beal starting.

Bring scorers off the bench: Webster, Martin, and Singleton
Defense off the bench: Okafor, Singleton

I would start Vesely to run, rebound, dunk, and to cause opponents a matchup problem. Webster is on a 1-yr deal and it is pointless to start him on a hopeless, losing team. Starting Okafor is pointless with Nene playing now. Start Nene and play him the same minutes, but do start him. Vesely needs a trade for his sake. Starting him makes a TON more sense than leaving to catch abuse from Mike Lee and others.

The Wizards do most things backwards IMO.

hands11 · Post #126 » by **hands11** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:31 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The limited options are going to get him fired IMO.

He looked like a good coach in the win over Miami. Ariza got hurt and they lost to Atlanta when they suddenly couldn't defend the perimeter or rebound, two things he did pretty well. Livingston had 3 fouls in 4 minutes. Webster didn't step up against Atlanta. You can't blame him for the rebounds that Nene and Kevin don't grab.

Tonight the rebounding was RIDICULOUS

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lees-24-po ... --nba.html
The Warriors, winners of 10 of their last 12, are now 6-1 against the East. They had a 57-37 advantage on the boards.

Still, Beal had the score 96-97 with 8.2 seconds before they intentionally fouled Curry. At 99-97 they had a chance to tie.

I think Randy is a decent to good coach but he has the worst luck with rosters and injuries. He's going to be fired, very likely, sooner than later.

I think the opposite. I think the limited options are going to save his job, And if we are lucky, he may actually learn something about his players and line ups along the way.

So far, he has been coaching like he wants them to lose. ie. tank

Post #127 » by **nate33** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:34 am

Vesely is the worst player on the team. Why would you start him? It's not a coincidence that the Wizards have become competitive as soon as they parked Vesely at the end of the bench.

I think Wittman has identified the best nine players to run a 9-man rotation: Livingston, Crawford, Beal, Webster, Martin, Singleton, Seraphin, Okafor and Nene. The problem is that he starts the wrong players. The best 3 scorers on the team are Nene, Seraphin and Crawford. Why are all three coming off the bench. We fall into a deficit in the first quarter EVERY SINGLE GAME. The solution is obvious: start one of Nene or Seraphin. He'll probably be forced to start Crawford at PG as well.

I'd go like this:

PG Crawford/Livingston (possibly invert this)
SG Beal/Crawford/Webster
SF Webster/Martin
PF Singleton/Seraphin
C Nene/Okafor

truwizfan4evr · Post #128 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:35 am

miller31time wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:Chris miller says AJ price could miss 4 to 6 weeks with a hand injury.

The real question is -- will anyone actually notice he's gone?

Jay81 · Post #129 » by **Jay81** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:36 am

closg00 wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Was Beal this bad at shooting at Florida?

Beal IS going to be good, I'm just wishing for him to be better sooner.

Beal is getting better...whats happening in DC happened in Florida...struggled and then the light came on. I bet my March, he is scoring 20 pts a game on 45% shooting

truwizfan4evr · Post #130 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:39 am

Jay81 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Was Beal this bad at shooting at Florida?

Beal IS going to be good, I'm just wishing for him to be better sooner.

Beal is getting better...whats happening in DC happened in Florida...struggled and then the light came on. I bet my March, he is scoring 20 pts a game on 45% shooting

+ 1

Jay81 · Post #131 » by **Jay81** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:39 am

we got beat tonight by 2 guys we should of drafted(Curry and Klay). Instead we got Miller Foye and Vesley

hands11 · Post #132 » by **hands11** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:39 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:With nene and Kevin healthy, why is Randy insisting on starting Okafor? He gives us nothing and is a detriment because inevitably the ball finds him and he feels obligated to shoot....he should be out of the rotation at this point....

I would like to see a frontcourt of Vesely (SF), Nene, Seraphin with Crawford and Beal starting.

Bring scorers off the bench: Webster, Martin, and Singleton
Defense off the bench: Okafor, Singleton

I would start Vesely to run, rebound, dunk, and to cause opponents a matchup problem. Webster is on a 1-yr deal and it is pointless to start him on a hopeless, losing team. Starting Okafor is pointless with Nene playing now. Start Nene and play him the same minutes, but do start him. Vesely needs a trade for his sake. Starting him makes a TON more sense than leaving to catch abuse from Mike Lee and others.

The Wizards do most things backwards IMO.

A creative option for sure but kind of a long shot when they don't need to do that right now.

Crawford
Beal
Ves
Kevin
Nene

Not sure that is there best option right now. Lets get him back on the court first before you go starting him. You can try that line up during the game if you want to see what it looks like.

If you are starting Kevin and Nene, just put Singleton or Webster out there with them.

Jay81 · Post #133 » by **Jay81** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:40 am

someone should ask Ernie if he would trade Foye,miller and Vesley for Curry and Klay Thompson

Jay81 · Post #134 » by **Jay81** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:41 am

beating the heat destroyed this week. Ernie would of been fired Monday morning otherwise

hands11 · Post #135 » by **hands11** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:47 am

Jay81 wrote:we got beat tonight by 2 guys we should of drafted(Curry and Klay). Instead we got Miller Foye and Vesley

Wrong. We got beat by David Lee. 24 pts and 17 rebounds.

Jay81 · Post #136 » by **Jay81** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:54 am

i got in argument with Michael Lee on twitter about his puff piece on Ernie. He said that Ernie declined to answer almost all his questions and would not talk about specific players. I told him he shouldnt of written the article then. All we got were retread Ernie Grunefeld lines that he has been using for the past 5 years

Post #137 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 5:13 am

Jay81 wrote:i got in argument with Michael Lee on twitter about his puff piece on Ernie. He said that Ernie declined to answer almost all his questions and would not talk about specific players. I told him he shouldnt of written the article then. All we got were retread Ernie Grunefeld lines that he has been using for the past 5 years

Exactly correct, Ji.

Michael Lee didn't have to include Ernie puff quotes if Ernie wouldn't talk to him about substantive matters. Lee could have crafted his story (stories) any number of ways.

1. Compare and contrast records of all GMs in the last few years. What are points of commonality of successful GMs. What are points of commonality for long-term GMs with losing records.

2. What team could the Wizards have with people Ernie passed up on?

3. Where are Ernie's draft picks? Where is Pecherov? Ramos? etc.

A reporter isn't under any obligation to print a story with a quote from its focus if that person won't answer the reporter's questions.

Sheesh.

P.S. When is it going to SNOW?

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #138 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 7:14 am

Jay81 wrote:i got in argument with Michael Lee on twitter about his puff piece on Ernie. He said that Ernie declined to answer almost all his questions and would not talk about specific players. I told him he shouldnt of written the article then. All we got were retread Ernie Grunefeld lines that he has been using for the past 5 years

Mike Lee attacked Vesely in a way that IMO did nothing good for the player and it was not harsh on EG.

payitforward · Post #139 » by **payitforward** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 2:38 pm

Unfortunately, I was unable to watch last night's game and somehow forgot to schedule it to be recorded.

Off the numbers, it was a weird game: we were outrebounded by 20, and our opponent shot a higher TS%. Yet the game was close.

Turnovers and steals closed the rebounding gap, and somehow we managed to take 6 more shots than the Warriors.

Crawford had an outstanding game -- one of his best as a pro. Not just his shooting, but only 1 turnover against 2 steals, plus 7 boards and 8 assists. Now, that is not a sustainable level of play, no matter how much we'd like it to be, except maybe for Jason Kidd or Chris Paul. But, it's nice to see all the same.

In a way, the guy we miss most right now is Trevor Booker. He's by no means a terrific rebounder, but he is better than Seraphin (and shoots a higher FG% too).

tontoz · Post #140 » by **tontoz** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 2:41 pm

This was a game they really should have won. Even though they got outrebounded by 20, blew several fast breaks and bricked a lot of foul shots they still had a chance at the end.

Okafor is so lame on offense that he is really hurting the starting lineup.

Livingston hasn't shown me anything.

Lee had more rebounds than any two Wizards. :nonono: