"No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread

LamarMatic7 · Post #301 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:25 pm

Zach Lowe just wrote a piece on shot chuckers/ball hoggers and their value. Quite the timing considering the discussions on Mully we've had lately.

Mullens isn't a huge usage guy, but he's become a lightning rod thanks to his 5.4 3-point chucks per 36 minutes, nonexistent free throw attempts, and wildly inconsistent defense and rebounding. But the numbers, at least on the surface, suggest Charlotte fans might miss Mullens when he's gone. The Kitties have scored 102 points per 100 possessions when Mullens plays and just 92.7 when he sits; the first mark is about a point higher than league average, while the second would rank only above the Wizards.

Mullens had a similar impact last season, lifting Charlotte's offense from the nether regions of NBA history to a level that would still have ranked dead last, but was at least within sight of no. 29. Again: Bigs who can shoot have value.

But does Mullens? Or are these numbers simply the product of his inept and/or inexperienced replacements?

If you want to read about guys like Ellis, Granger, Crafword:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/865 ... kers-squad

Mully basically is among a few guys who are crap on defense, yet aren't appreciated enough even though they make their team so much better on offense. The thing that really surprised me was the numbers with Mullens on the floor. I would have never imagined that his impact is so big.

MKGsMotor · Post #302 » by **MKGsMotor** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:35 am

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but I am growing to hate Byron Mullens. I used to not mind him. Hell, I even liked him and his growing potential. But then I paid attention. His defense is inexcusably awful. Game-ruining bad. It's the simple things really. Stuff that I could and would do if I had a seven foot body. I understand that he is a competent scorer on offense. I don't even mind his three point chucks. No complaints. If he was just an AVERAGE post defender on defense, I would have very little to say. But he is such a burden that our post defense will NEVER be good with him in the game. Never. It will always be our glaring, game-blowing weakness with Mullens. Trade him.

PalmTree · Post #303 » by **PalmTree** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:43 am

MKGsMotor wrote:I know I'm going to get flack for this, but I am growing to hate Byron Mullens. I used to not mind him. Hell, I even liked him and his growing potential. But then I paid attention. His defense is inexcusably awful. Game-ruining bad. It's the simple things really. Stuff that I could and would do if I had a seven foot body. I understand that he is a competent scorer on offense. I don't even mind his three point chucks. No complaints. If he was just an AVERAGE post defender on defense, I would have very little to say. But he is such a burden that our post defense will NEVER be good with him in the game. Never. It will always be our glaring, game-blowing weakness with Mullens. Trade him.

I think one of the problems is he can look almost good against bad teams, but when we're up against half way decent teams...lookout.

mrknowitall215 · Post #304 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:35 am

Mullens future as a Bobcat better be dull if those are the type of defensive efforts we can expect of him. I'm still patient & optimistic about him because he's a much more improved rebounder, and his size can't be taught. He's young enough to overcome these bad habits, and Dunlap is a good coach to help him do so

Liver_Pooty · Post #305 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:50 am

We still have to remember that we got him for a second rounder. He has the physical tools to be a nice starter in this league, but his basketball IQ leaves plenty to be desired.

Jajwanda · Post #306 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:34 am

What would you be willing to trade for Jordan Hill. He's pretty much the perfect compliment.

catch20two · Post #307 » by **catch20two** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:26 am

Jajwanda wrote:What would you be willing to trade for Jordan Hill. He's pretty much the perfect compliment.

As much as I harp about him shooting too many 3s and occasionally playing lackadaisical defense I would prefer to keep Mullens before I would trade him for Jordan Hill.

Jajwanda · Post #308 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:34 am

Next to him, not instead of him.

catch20two · Post #309 » by **catch20two** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:51 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Next to him, not instead of him.

Oh, my fault. I must have skimmed through what you posted. Anyway, we probably would be willing to part with Gerald Henderson straight up for Jordan Hill. That's probably the most even exchange that could be made between the Lakers & Cats on that front. I like Hill's aggressiveness and Henderson is becoming expendable to us lately despite arguably being our best player last year.

Jajwanda · Post #310 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:01 pm

If you can get Derrick Williams for us in a three-way deal then we'd be very happy with that.

mrknowitall215 · Post #311 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:17 pm

Jajwanda wrote:If you can get Derrick Williams for us in a three-way deal then we'd be very happy with that.

We'll have to talk to Cho about that. I'm sure that he'll want the Lakers 1st rounder & the T'Wolves 2nd rounder swindled back to us as well

Jajwanda · Post #312 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:24 pm

You'll have to talk to Pheonix about that.

mrknowitall215 · Post #313 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:37 pm

Jajwanda wrote:You'll have to talk to Pheonix about that.

The 2nd rounder from Memphis will do

HornetJail · Post #314 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:00 pm

Jajwanda wrote:What would you be willing to trade for Jordan Hill. He's pretty much the perfect compliment.

I'd probably trade Haywood for him, but we can't trade him till next year. There isn't much else I'd trade for him that would entice the Lakers. I wouldn't trade Sessions, Walker, Hendo, Taylor, MKG, Mullens, Biz, or any of our 1sts for Hill. It would have to be a three-team deal, as I don't see the Lakers liking any of the pieces left over (Gordon, Thomas, Williams, Diop, Higgins, Warrick, 2nds).

Not to mention, the Lakers would absolutely need frontcourt pieces back in any Hill trade. Look at their frontcourt rotation. They need to be bringing in frontcourt players, not trading them.

JT2006 · Post #315 » by **JT2006** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:08 pm

Jajwanda wrote:If you can get Derrick Williams for us in a three-way deal then we'd be very happy with that.

Derrick Williams has more value than Jordan Hill, and Henderson is probably in the middle somewhere.

mrknowitall215 · Post #316 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:48 pm

JT2006 wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:If you can get Derrick Williams for us in a three-way deal then we'd be very happy with that.

Derrick Williams has more value than Jordan Hill, and Henderson is probably in the middle somewhere.

A serviceable big man is more valuable than a average SG in the NBA. 'Cats fans are going to be very disappointed when Hendo returns and they realize that his defense isn't quite on par with JT's and his limited shooting range keep MKG out of the lane, causing a more stagnant halfcourt offense. I would take the deal of getting Jordan Hill in the 3-way exchange, and then try to squeeze as many picks out of the Lakers & T'Wolves as possible in the process by acting like Hendo is still the best player on the Bobcats roster during negotiations even though that ship has sailed

LamarMatic7 · Post #317 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 4:27 pm

Mullens's "accuracy" from behind the three point line provoked me to do some research. List of players who have attempted at least 4 threes per game, yet shot worse than 28%.

Kevin Love 2012-13: 1.2 3PM, 5.7 3PA, 0.216%, 11/51, 9 games.
Lester Hudson 2011-12: 1.0 3PM, 4.0 3PA, 0.250%, 16/64, 16 games.
Eric Gordon 2011-12: 1.1 3PM, 4.4 3PA, 0.250%, 10/40, 9 games.
Mookie Blaylock 1997-98: 1.3 3PM, 4.8 3PA, 0.269%, 90/334, 70 games.
DeShawn Stevenson 2008-09: 1.1 3PM, 4.0 3PA, 0.271%, 35/129, 32 games.
Latrell Sprewell 1994-95: 1.3 3PM, 4.7 3PA, 0.276%, 90/326, 69 games.
Byron Mullens 2012-13: 1.3 3PM, 4.7 3PA, 0.278%, 25/90, 19 games.

Love and Mully are on their way to repeat something that has basically occurred three times in the history of the league. Hudson and Gordon played way too few games, so you probably can't count them. Moral of the story - stop jacking so many threes.

Another stat - Mullens is shooting with 0.28% from 16 to 23 feet according to Hoopdata.

Post #318 » by **fatlever** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 7:22 pm

nice work lamar.

love at least has history on his side, past two years at 41 and 37 percent. and he has an excuse, a broken right hand. that being said, love is taking way too many 3s this year it seems.

JT2006 · Post #319 » by **JT2006** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 7:23 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
JT2006 wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:If you can get Derrick Williams for us in a three-way deal then we'd be very happy with that.

Derrick Williams has more value than Jordan Hill, and Henderson is probably in the middle somewhere.

A serviceable big man is more valuable than a average SG in the NBA. 'Cats fans are going to be very disappointed when Hendo returns and they realize that his defense isn't quite on par with JT's and his limited shooting range keep MKG out of the lane, causing a more stagnant halfcourt offense.

Funny this, he comes back and shoots over 50% from three and leads us in scoring. Heh.

Henderson is worthy of 6th man status on a really good team, and starter status on an average team. Hill has never gotten more than 16 mpg.

mrknowitall215 wrote:I would take the deal of getting Jordan Hill in the 3-way exchange, and then try to squeeze as many picks out of the Lakers & T'Wolves as possible in the process by acting like Hendo is still the best player on the Bobcats roster during negotiations even though that ship has sailed

Well, you can't really have it both ways. Either we're giving up extra talent and need picks, or Henderson is the least valuable player in the trade. Executives aren't all idiots, especially not on the Lakers. You could probably get a million picks from the Timberwolves though.

mrknowitall215 · Post #320 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 7:53 pm

JT2006 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
JT2006 wrote:Derrick Williams has more value than Jordan Hill, and Henderson is probably in the middle somewhere.

A serviceable big man is more valuable than a average SG in the NBA. 'Cats fans are going to be very disappointed when Hendo returns and they realize that his defense isn't quite on par with JT's and his limited shooting range keep MKG out of the lane, causing a more stagnant halfcourt offense.

Funny this, he comes back and shoots over 50% from three and leads us in scoring. Heh.

Henderson is worthy of 6th man status on a really good team, and starter status on an average team. Hill has never gotten more than 16 mpg.

First of all, Hendo is not leading the 'Cats in scoring. He only led the team in scoring in 1 of his 4 games back. With that said, I will be the first to say that Hendo is kind of proving me wrong with his improvements so far since his comeback, mainly from 3-point land. Yet, I want to see a bigger sample size before I eat crow. It's not like the team has been more competitive with his return either, so I'll reserve any further opinions. I hope Hendo can keep it up