The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Post #1161 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:59 am

JT2006 wrote:There isn't a player in this league who couldn't benefit from Hakeem's tutelage.

JT2006 · Post #1162 » by **JT2006** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:48 am

BigSlam wrote:
JT2006 wrote:There isn't a player in this league who couldn't benefit from Hakeem's tutelage.

Think of how bad he would have been without his help.

Kembastockton · Post #1163 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:11 am

Actually Emeka had his best year offensively before he worked with Dream. Many players work with him. Few players can actually master what the Dream has to teach. They just are not agile enough for the moves to be effective.

I would not be against Mully working with the Dream, but I think that Mully is one of the many players who don't stand a chance at mastering the Dream's moves.

HornetJail · Post #1164 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:42 am

My theory is that it works better for guys a little later in their careers. Tyson Chandler learned some stuff from Hakeem last summer. Now look at him, he's averaging 15 points per 36 for the first time in his career and he's still leading the league in FG% at close to 70% again.

Kembastockton · Post #1165 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:51 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:My theory is that it works better for guys a little later in their careers. Tyson Chandler learned some stuff from Hakeem last summer. Now look at him, he's averaging 15 points per 36 for the first time in his career and he's still leading the league in FG% at close to 70% again.

Tyson is an athlete. I think that players with loads of athletic potential have the best shot at absorbing dream's skills. I think that Biz would actually benefit greatly from time with Hakeem. He has actually caught some great passes lately although I really don't see what that has to do with perfecting foot work.

HornetJail · Post #1166 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:54 am

MountBiyombo wrote:
CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:My theory is that it works better for guys a little later in their careers. Tyson Chandler learned some stuff from Hakeem last summer. Now look at him, he's averaging 15 points per 36 for the first time in his career and he's still leading the league in FG% at close to 70% again.

Tyson is an athlete. I think that players with loads of athletic potential have the best shot at absorbing dream's skills. I think that Biz would actually benefit greatly from time with Hakeem.

Mully's pretty damn athletic himself.

Kembastockton · Post #1167 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:58 am

No where near Biz, Chandler athletic.

HornetJail · Post #1168 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:12 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJxeTDjF33c[/youtube]

Kembastockton · Post #1169 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:20 am

Yes, it was pretty, but not as impressive as you seem to think. He took one dribble down an open lane and dunked. That doesn't mean that he can pull off a dream shake with a defender guarding him.

HornetJail · Post #1170 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:28 am

MountBiyombo wrote:Yes, it was pretty, but not as impressive as you seem to think. He took one dribble down an open lane and dunked. That doesn't mean that he can pull off a dream shake with a defender guarding him.

Who's to say he can't learn?

Let him get the fundamentals down, and in about two or three years, get him to work with Hakeem. I can't see how it wouldn't help him.

Kembastockton · Post #1171 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:00 am

I don't disagree.

Kabookalu · Post #1172 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:02 pm

One reason why I fell in love with Biyombo was because I could see him as one of few big men that would actually be able to acclimate Hakeem's lessons to his game. Why the Dream Shake was possible for Hakeem was because he was an otherworldly athlete for a big man. His level of coordination was just off the charts it was literally guard like.

I've went on length on the Raptors board about this; the Dream Shake was basically a compilation of counter moves and fakes. Using fakes is not that easy to do because most of the time it requires you to stop on a dime, obviously since it's a fake. This is harder than it sounds like because a lot of time it's easy for you to lose balance. Not for Hakeem, who could not only do one, two in one possession! And he did this on the regular.

I can really see Biyombo having some version of the dream shake. Not nearly as well of course, but to say that he can at least accomplish a worse version of the Dream Shake is a compliment. That's why I'm not so hot on Valanciunas working with Hakeem, he's not as athletic as Biyombo. Good athlete for a center, but for Hakeem you need to be significantly more as a physical specimen.

Ideally however I'd like to see him work with Bill Walton and John Lucas first, who are fantastic fundamental big men mentors, and then Hakeem to the advanced stuff.

KembaWalker · Post #1173 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:32 pm

Mullens as a legit 7 footer with some hops, mobility, flexibility, and most of all, touch, is probably a rarer athlete than Biyombo

Kembastockton · Post #1174 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:41 pm

Yet Oklahoma, (our role model ) felt he was scrub enough to trade for a second round pick.

SWedd523 · Post #1175 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:21 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:Yet Oklahoma, (our role model ) felt he was scrub enough to trade for a second round pick.

They also traded for Perkins

Believe it or not, they aren't infallible

HornetJail · Post #1176 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:25 pm

Scott Brooks just doesn't like to play big men or rookies. That's why Mully was riding the end of the bench there. OKC made a mistake trading him for an early 2nd. They've made other mistakes too, like drafting superstars Cole Aldrich and Reggie Jackson. I don't think OKC's Mullens trade tells us anything about Mullens' future, just the fact he was glued to the bench there. He wasn't given the minutes to show anything.

Kembastockton · Post #1177 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:59 pm

Or maybe he was riding the bench, because he likes to jack up threes even though he's not that great a shooter. After all they do already have a seven footer who actually can score consistently on the perimeter. Or maybe he was riding the bench, because he doesn't like to box out and rebound. There is something to be said about bbiq. Whatever the reason was that they chose to trade him they did not consider him very valuable.

JT2006 · Post #1178 » by **JT2006** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:43 pm

and hell, it's not like players don't improve. maybe he wasn't this good when he was in OKC. Really he's not THAT good now, but you get the idea.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1179 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:32 pm

JT2006 wrote:and hell, it's not like players don't improve. maybe he wasn't this good when he was in OKC. Really he's not THAT good now, but you get the idea.

I honestly think hes just an average player while others on the board think he can be an all-star..

HornetJail · Post #1180 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:36 pm

He might just end up being an average role player, but he's got the chance to be something special. When was the last time you saw someone as long, as athletic, and have as much range as he does?