Official Trade Thread: Part 3

sunskerr · Post #1361 » by **sunskerr** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:39 pm

Bradley is a good player and he's 5-6 years younger than Lee. He's pretty much a must if Boston offers any package for Gortat. Also if Bradley is off the table, whatever other teams offer would probably be better than what the Celtics would offer. Sullinger is basically a nonfactor without Bradley.

EB2 · Post #1362 » by **EB2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:49 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I dont know what you expect from Boston. Its Lee, Terry, or Bass + someone/piece else.... but one of those three has to be a part to make the numbers jive.

Not too appealing return for a starting center.... even if Sullinger is included.

We probably wouldn't do a deal with Boston if they have a deal with Sullinger is a main piece.

I think we are better off keeping theGORTAT. His value wont sink any further.... we can appease his cry-me-a-trade tune with the promise of an off season move. I'd still prefer to keep him rather than deal him just to deal.

If he'sbeing a cancer, then why keep him?

I would do ONeal + a pick for Sullinger straight up. I think he'd fit in Boston better and could run 20-25mins a night for them. You can bet next yr when the money is dangled for his final 1-2 yr deal, he will take it and run... away. Get something for him now, and keep theG.

You do realize O'Neal was in Boston last year and wasn't happy with his role and was a locker room cancer right? He probably doesn't want to go back to the place where he spent the worst years of his career.

GrantHill · Post #1363 » by **GrantHill** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:53 pm

batsmasher wrote:I'd say there is near on no chance Bradley is going anywhere. Boston rate him really highly and his contract would mean we would also have to take Bass/Green/Lee too and it's really hard to see that happening.

I agree, Bradley has been fantastic for them. It's pretty simple if you're Boston, you have to choose between interior presence, rebounding, a pick and roll option against a guy that can slow down Wade. If I'm Boston I'd do that deal because they have shown that they can guard D-Wade with Rondo (and even Allen) but Garnett can't guard Bosh and be an anchor on defense.

I also think that Boston is the only reasonable trading partner out there. As Frank said, I wouldn't trade Gortat just to trade him but if you can get a young package, you have to do it.

Post #1364 » by **batsmasher** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:57 pm

What is Gortat worth? What would another GM bite on?

From the teams that would be interested a part from Boston I can't see much value.

Orlando: Afflalo + a prospect or draft pick (or they could use Dwight's trade exception)

Dallas: Nothing really on offer

LOL I tried to continue this list but looking at all the teams, no contenders or potential contenders really need a 28 y/o upgrade at center.

Calvin Klein · Post #1365 » by **Calvin Klein** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:13 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I would do ONeal + a pick for Sullinger straight up. I think he'd fit in Boston better and could run 20-25mins a night for them. You can bet next yr when the money is dangled for his final 1-2 yr deal, he will take it and run... away. Get something for him now, and keep theG.

The Celtics had ONeal last year. I really doubt they want him back. Plus, I think he can only remain healthy here.

Frank Lee · Post #1366 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:04 pm

But if Avery is the centerpiece value chip from Boston.... its not fair value. Especially when we have to absorb a 5 mill deal for 3-4 more yrs.

And who is that deal ... ??? Bass ? Terry ? Lee ? all guys we dont need.
Avery is not worth it. Certainly not paired with any of the three.

Not for theG.

Sorry dudes, you BeanTown Traders are so infatuated with making a deal you are pocketpooling with two hands. The pieces are not there. Find a third team ? Good luck.

I dont see the harm in hanging onto TheGORTAT until it makes sense to trade him. and BTW, the theory that now is the time to trade him because his perceived value is as high as it will be is blind to the fact that Big men get paid... and for the next two yrs, MG is a value based solely on his salary. Look around at some of the price tags and deals other Cs are locked into.

Keep theG... or rather dont give him away.

Frank Lee · Post #1367 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:05 pm

batsmasher wrote:What is Gortat worth? What would another GM bite on?

From the teams that would be interested a part from Boston I can't see much value.

Orlando: Afflalo + a prospect or draft pick (or they could use Dwight's trade exception)

Dallas: Nothing really on offer

LOL I tried to continue this list but looking at all the teams, no contenders or potential contenders really need a 28 y/o upgrade at center.

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GrantHill · Post #1368 » by **GrantHill** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:21 pm

Frank Lee wrote:But if Avery is the centerpiece value chip from Boston.... its not fair value. Especially when we have to absorb a 5 mill deal for 3-4 more yrs.

And who is that deal ... ??? Bass ? Terry ? Lee ? all guys we dont need.
Avery is not worth it. Certainly not paired with any of the three.

Sorry dudes, you BeanTown Traders are so infatuated with making a deal you are pocketpooling with two hands. The pieces are not there. Find a third team ? Good luck.

Sure, if Bradley is only piece coming back, there's no need to trade Gortat. But let's say they add Sullinger and throw in Melo + Lee. That's great value for a guy that apparantely doesn't want to be here.

Lee is very good player and better than anything we have right now at shooting guard. You can keep him, his contract is very tradeable.

Third team? Utah wants to trade Raja Bell (bought out) and Alec Burks doesn't see much playing time. Give me both for Lee. Brooklyn and Marshon Brooks might also be a possibility.

EB2 · Post #1369 » by **EB2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:43 pm

On the wiretap it says that the Celtics called up Fab Melo from the D-League. He's not really lighting it up either in there, so maybe there's a trade incoming.

thamadkant · Post #1370 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:45 pm

If Gortat wasn't acting and playing like he doesn't care..
I'm sure most people here want him to stay until end of season at least.

But his efforts has been way below his standard...

You can't help it but think that he is sooking and may rub off with the young players like Morris, Dragic.. Heck even making Beasley worse attitude wise.

At these times when team is bad, you need a veteran presence setting an example...

But Gortat is also up for new contract and is 28yo already so he is definitely wanting to get his big pay... Suns as a rebuilding team doesn't make sense to pay him 10-12 million a year for the next 4-5 years... Maybe if he was 5 years younger...

He needs to be on a playoff team now...

I won't take low ball offers either...

And celtics look like they are trying to low ball... Sullinger and Lee won't cut it.

JJ13 · Post #1371 » by **JJ13** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:30 pm

Are teams able to trade players on the D league roster? Or do they have to be on the NBA roster? If NBA roster, found it interesting the Melo (BOS) and Lamb (OKC) were both brought up today...probably making something of nothing

ShawnBronald · Post #1372 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:54 pm

JJ13 wrote:Are teams able to trade players on the D league roster? Or do they have to be on the NBA roster? If NBA roster, found it interesting the Melo (BOS) and Lamb (OKC) were both brought up today...probably making something of nothing

I'm not positive, but I do think they have to be on the NBA roster (since when you trade a player, you're technically trading their 'contract'.... you know, you can't trade people!). Anyway, that is very interesting, but if it does means anything, it sadly probably doesn't involve the Suns anyway.

Fo-Real · Post #1373 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:19 pm

They probably would prefer O'neal back, now that he is healthy and all.

GrantHill · Post #1374 » by **GrantHill** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:27 pm

Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople

Suns source: Michael Beasley is "toxic," team in tailspin, could lead to major shakeup.

Frank Lee · Post #1375 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:33 pm

Speculate for another 5 days. At this point, its about all we have as Suns fans. I dont doubt our Front Orfice is puckering for a trade. But with Boston... No Sullinger, no deal.

grumpysaddle · Post #1376 » by **grumpysaddle** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:53 pm

GrantHill wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople

Suns source: Michael Beasley is "toxic," team in tailspin, could lead to major shakeup.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out... He's by far the worst "team" player in the league... -179 +/- and counting on the season... Given that they've played roughly 1/4th of the season, he's on track for an incredible -716 +/- by the end of the season. I wonder what the worst +/- for a season of all time is...

Post #1377 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:55 pm

GrantHill wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople

Suns source: Michael Beasley is "toxic," team in tailspin, could lead to major shakeup.

Eh....everything I've read from Coro and the guys at Bright Side make it seem like Beas's problems are strictly on the court. He's well-liked by the rest of the team, the coaching staff, and the FO.

Who is Shaun Powell?

Saberestar · Post #1378 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:55 pm

GrantHill wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople

Suns source: Michael Beasley is "toxic," team in tailspin, could lead to major shakeup.

I think we have to trade Beasley ASAP, for some player like Luke Walton or Desagana Diop. If we have to add a second round pick, do it.

ShawnBronald · Post #1379 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:55 pm

Regarding a possible Phoenix/Boston deal, this one works in the trade checker, but I'm not sure either team would take it:

Gortat, Dudley and Telfair

for

Bradley, Lee, Sullinger and Melo

Phoenix's lineup would look like:
Dragic / Bradley / Garrett or Marshall
Lee / Brown / Johnson
Beasley(???) / Tucker
Morris / Scola / Sullinger
O'Neal / Melo

I'm not sure where Beasley stands with the team, so I could see them maybe trying Brown or Tucker at SF with Beasley coming off the bench and the rest of the rotation changing accordingly. Also, with a trade like this, Scola would be on his way out for other assets eventually.

I'm not so knowledgeable on Boston and their rotation, but obviously Gortat would slide in at the 5 and I could see Dudley (who played at Boston College, mind you) playing SG or, most likely, backup SF behind Pierce. Telfair would be decent behind Rondo, as well.

The only way I see Boston even considering this is if they feel the addition of Gortat at center somehow helps them win a championship. Otherwise, why give up so many young assets? Also, it would be a good haul for Phoenix, all things considered, so that's another reason why I don't see it happening.

ShawnBronald · Post #1380 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:57 pm

Saberestar wrote:
GrantHill wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople

Suns source: Michael Beasley is "toxic," team in tailspin, could lead to major shakeup.

I think we have to trade Beasley ASAP, for some player like Luke Walton or Desagana Diop. If we have to add a second round pick, do it.

It's not about what we would or wouldn't get for him at this point, it's who on earth would even consider acquiring him??? If the Suns simply released him today, I don't know that he'd get picked up by any NBA team, at least not immediately. Can we send him to the D-League? Maybe that'd help him mature a little.