Offering Holiday and Lee

[smooveroots]

Hi, i am in a yahoo H2H 9 Cat league. I am looking to trade Hoilday & Lee for Affalo, Monroe and K Irving. Do you think this will be a good trade offer?

[iTzJeff]

I like Holiday and Lee more

[azuresou1]

I'm assuming this is David Lee, and your team is the one in your sig. In that case

Monroe < Lee
Kyrie > Holiday since you don't have any other PGs anyways
Afflalo > Hayward (who you drop)

I think it's okay, especially since I do expect Monroe to play better than he has so far.

[smooveroots]

I have been turned down but now I am offering Holiday, Lee and M Thornton for Gragic, Ryan Anderson & the Brow.

Would that be something i would be better off in doing?

[luciferv]

I have been turned down but now I am offering Holiday, Lee and M Thornton for Gragic, Ryan Anderson & the Brow.

Would that be something i would be better off in doing?

Certainly. AD will be a beast as soon as he gets back

[Apathy]

Without really studying the numbers I'd take Hayward over Afflalo without blinking

Holiday is arguably equal to Kyrie as long as Bynum is out. And Kyrie is establishing himself as injury prone.

Lee def >> Monroe

[TheToothFairy]

I like Afflalo over Hayward When considering there playing time

I also like Monroe over Lee long term

[Apathy]

Afflalo over Hayward is defensible so w/e, that's not the prob with the trade

MOnroe over Lee "long-term" (whatever that means) is not, however. Lee has a consistent track record of being a top-30 player. Monroe has never been top 30. And Lee is waaaay outproducing Monroe this year.

[TheToothFairy]

Afflalo over Hayward is defensible so w/e, that's not the prob with the trade

MOnroe over Lee "long-term" (whatever that means) is not, however. Lee has a consistent track record of being a top-30 player. Monroe has never been top 30. And Lee is waaaay outproducing Monroe this year.

It means I have given it keeper consideration

Lee isn't away out producing Monroe

Monroe has more stls and Blks

lee has slightly better pts and Rebs

Both are good in assists

As for rankings Monroe was actually ranked higher preseason than Lee (basically a tie 38 to 42)

Lee does play in a fantasy friendly environement for sure though

[Apathy]

For one it's not a keeper, unless I missed something. Secondly, and most importantly (this seems to be a concept everyone overrates in keepers, so it's not just you):

How the two players are projected to perform the following season is much more important than how they may project two, three, four seasons down the line.

Monroe would need to improve quite a bit to project to be even with Lee next year. And when is Lee exactly supposed to drop off? When is Monroe exactly supposed to improve? It's a lot of guesswork and bias. That's why I stick to the cold hard #s that say Lee is up to 50-60 ranks higher than Monroe. I like Monroe quite a bit but a lot of the periphery is in Lee's favor: track record, team situation (more talent around him, team that traditionally plays at a faster pace while Detroit is traditionally one of the slowest paces in the NBA), prime vs not yet prime.

Lee is 26th on BBM and Monroe is 93rd. Last year Lee was 34th and Monroe was 42nd. So even in Lee's worst season and Monroe's best, Lee was still better per game. And Lee has had seasons in the top-15 back when he was with the Knicks. As Ron Shandler says, once you display a skill, you own it; that has to be (slightly) factored in any evaluation of Lee.

To be fair ESPN's rater has it a whole lot closer, but I think that's because ESPN is 8-cat.

[smooveroots]

That was very insightful from both of you. I will keep Lee, he is too good to let go.