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Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#1 » by 76ciology » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:51 am

It's a 20 team league. Regular cats + fouls.

My team:
CP3
Chris Bosh
Kevin Martin
Anthony Davis
Metta World Peace
Evan Turner
Roy Hibbert
Valanciunas
Aminu
Delfino

Bench: Harkless, Al Harrington, Alan Anderson, Terrence Ross and Fredette

Overview:
- As a 76ers fan, I'm kind of bias that Bynum will return around early feb.
- I'm disappointed with Aminu. I'm no.1 in the league in steal, and it makes Aminu and his 1.6spg expendable.
- I'm doing well with my shot blocking numbers. And I think with Anthony Davis, Bosh and Valanciunas, it makes Hibbert's 2.9bpg, expendable. In return, I acquire Neal and Derozan, two guys who can help my FG% and FT% numbers, two categories that I'm really poor at.

I look at it this way..

Derozan > Hibbert
Neal = Aminu
Bynum > Marcus Morris

What do you guys think? If Bynum plays, this is a highway robbery for me. If Bynum ends up not playing, I just have a slight edge on the deal. If Bynum end up not playing and if Hibbert bounces back to his top 50 form, I'm screwed.
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Re: Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#2 » by Apathy » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:20 pm

It comes down to Bynum for Hibbert

In a deep league like this I take the upside gamble from Bynum. Not a believer in Hibbert.
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Re: Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#3 » by TheToothFairy » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:26 am

Why is Al Harrington on your team?...lol

Hibbert will get better, DeRozan isn't better than him

Neal will lose minutes when Jackson and Leonard return

N.O just signed McGuire because ey are unhappy with Aminus defense. So who knows how that will play out

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Post#4 » by Apathy » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:31 am

Good thing Bynum has every reason in the world to be motivated?
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Re: Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#5 » by 76ciology » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:51 am

TheToothFairy wrote:Why is Al Harrington on your team?...lol

Hibbert will get better, DeRozan isn't better than him

Neal will lose minutes when Jackson and Leonard return

N.O just signed McGuire because ey are unhappy with Aminus defense. So who knows how that will play out

I dint trust bigmn with Kneee issues, especially unmotivated ones


It's a really deep league. 20 team 15 roster each team.

I stashed Al Harrington cause in a scarce talented FA pool, a healthy Al Harrington could be a pretty big difference maker compared to other guys in the waive wire like Tobias Harris, Marquis Daniels and etc.

Hibbert was ranked 64th in overall ranking during the offseason. That was when he was his usual self. Derozan is ranked in the 70s. My thinking is that even Hibbert goes back to his old self, his value from Derozan won't be far off. Second, Hibbert is really hurting my fouls, FG% and FT% categories.

Neal and Aminu are pretty even. I also see Aminu's minutes dipping once Eric Gordon returns.

The whole goal of the trade was to steal Bynum. Like fellow 76ers follower, I've done a pretty extensive research regarding Bynum and all signs leads to Bynum making a return this season. And I was rushing to do the deal because I don't want it to reach Dec. 20, when Bynum will announce his MRI.

As of right now, according to John Mitchell, sources has said that there is no doubt Bynum will return this season. Bynum is pain free in his right knee and his left knee is feeling much better. Bynum is also seen doing some shooting practices. Bynum is also in his last year of his contract, that should adds extra motivation for him to play. I can see Bynum playing early to mid Feb. And in a very deep and competitive league, having a 1st round caliber player in Bynum would make a world of difference.
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Post#6 » by sweet_jesus » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:02 am

I'd go for the knock out punch. Did they propose that to you? Worse case scenario you loose Hibbert for Derozen. It's a risk you take in order to land an elite center when healthy.
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Re: Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#7 » by Apathy » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:13 pm

Yup. Tooth Fairy is flat out wrong on this one. (Surprise surprise)
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Re: Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#8 » by TheToothFairy » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:06 pm

76ciology wrote:
TheToothFairy wrote:Why is Al Harrington on your team?...lol

Hibbert will get better, DeRozan isn't better than him

Neal will lose minutes when Jackson and Leonard return

N.O just signed McGuire because ey are unhappy with Aminus defense. So who knows how that will play out

I dint trust bigmn with Kneee issues, especially unmotivated ones


It's a really deep league. 20 team 15 roster each team.

I stashed Al Harrington cause in a scarce talented FA pool, a healthy Al Harrington could be a pretty big difference maker compared to other guys in the waive wire like Tobias Harris, Marquis Daniels and etc.

Hibbert was ranked 64th in overall ranking during the offseason. That was when he was his usual self. Derozan is ranked in the 70s. My thinking is that even Hibbert goes back to his old self, his value from Derozan won't be far off. Second, Hibbert is really hurting my fouls, FG% and FT% categories.

Neal and Aminu are pretty even. I also see Aminu's minutes dipping once Eric Gordon returns.

The whole goal of the trade was to steal Bynum. Like fellow 76ers follower, I've done a pretty extensive research regarding Bynum and all signs leads to Bynum making a return this season. And I was rushing to do the deal because I don't want it to reach Dec. 20, when Bynum will announce his MRI.

As of right now, according to John Mitchell, sources has said that there is no doubt Bynum will return this season. Bynum is pain free in his right knee and his left knee is feeling much better. Bynum is also seen doing some shooting practices. Bynum is also in his last year of his contract, that should adds extra motivation for him to play. I can see Bynum playing early to mid Feb. And in a very deep and competitive league, having a 1st round caliber player in Bynum would make a world of difference.


Who is on waivers?

Neal and Aminu are entirely different players. I would not call them even. Neal is a 3pt gunner ala Randy foye. Aminu has much higher upside but being a young player could cause his coach to fall out of favor plus the return of Gordon could dampen him a bit. Leonard, Jackson and Ginobilli will get minutes over Neal if healthy.

I know that Bynum is in a contract year however he knew about this injury before the season and chose to rehab on "company time". Bynum Notoriously doesnt play in Fanatasy Playoffs due too injury. Especially if his team needs him for the real playoffs.

No question he is talented but he isnt worth the headache IMO. I would let somebody else worry about him. Or at this point trade him if/when he comes back.

DeRozan is a one trick pony, Hibbert is way more valuable IMO.
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Post#9 » by 76ciology » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:51 am

sweet_jesus wrote:I'd go for the knock out punch. Did they propose that to you? Worse case scenario you loose Hibbert for Derozen. It's a risk you take in order to land an elite center when healthy.


That what I was thinking. Worst case is that I lose Hibbert for Derozan.

In a roto league where you don't have the luxury of having some sort of a reset every week unlike in H2H, even if Hibbert was able to bounce back in some point of the season, he would have done a really big damage already on my shooting percentages. So letting go of Hibbert ASAP, with ample shot blocking numbers from my other guys, would seem like a plausible idea.

Then there's the "knock out punch" scenario that if Bynum returns, this instantly becomes a highway robbery for me. And IMO, the odds are favorable that Bynum will return this season based on current reports.
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Re: Hibbert/Aminu/Marcus for Derozan/Neal/Bynum 

Post#10 » by 76ciology » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:56 am

TheToothFairy wrote:
76ciology wrote:
TheToothFairy wrote:Why is Al Harrington on your team?...lol

Hibbert will get better, DeRozan isn't better than him

Neal will lose minutes when Jackson and Leonard return

N.O just signed McGuire because ey are unhappy with Aminus defense. So who knows how that will play out

I dint trust bigmn with Kneee issues, especially unmotivated ones


It's a really deep league. 20 team 15 roster each team.

I stashed Al Harrington cause in a scarce talented FA pool, a healthy Al Harrington could be a pretty big difference maker compared to other guys in the waive wire like Tobias Harris, Marquis Daniels and etc.

Hibbert was ranked 64th in overall ranking during the offseason. That was when he was his usual self. Derozan is ranked in the 70s. My thinking is that even Hibbert goes back to his old self, his value from Derozan won't be far off. Second, Hibbert is really hurting my fouls, FG% and FT% categories.

Neal and Aminu are pretty even. I also see Aminu's minutes dipping once Eric Gordon returns.

The whole goal of the trade was to steal Bynum. Like fellow 76ers follower, I've done a pretty extensive research regarding Bynum and all signs leads to Bynum making a return this season. And I was rushing to do the deal because I don't want it to reach Dec. 20, when Bynum will announce his MRI.

As of right now, according to John Mitchell, sources has said that there is no doubt Bynum will return this season. Bynum is pain free in his right knee and his left knee is feeling much better. Bynum is also seen doing some shooting practices. Bynum is also in his last year of his contract, that should adds extra motivation for him to play. I can see Bynum playing early to mid Feb. And in a very deep and competitive league, having a 1st round caliber player in Bynum would make a world of difference.


Who is on waivers?

Neal and Aminu are entirely different players. I would not call them even. Neal is a 3pt gunner ala Randy foye. Aminu has much higher upside but being a young player could cause his coach to fall out of favor plus the return of Gordon could dampen him a bit. Leonard, Jackson and Ginobilli will get minutes over Neal if healthy.

I know that Bynum is in a contract year however he knew about this injury before the season and chose to rehab on "company time". Bynum Notoriously doesnt play in Fanatasy Playoffs due too injury. Especially if his team needs him for the real playoffs.

No question he is talented but he isnt worth the headache IMO. I would let somebody else worry about him. Or at this point trade him if/when he comes back.

DeRozan is a one trick pony, Hibbert is way more valuable IMO.


Talentwise, Aminu is way better than Gary Neal. But in fantasy world, both seems to have similar value, specially now with Aminu being placed in the doghouse and the near return of Eric Gordon.

About Derozan for Hibbert, I look at it at the overall value of the player. Hibbert gives you elite blocking numbers but he does hurt you a LOT with his FG% and FT% numbers. That makes Derozan, currently the better player right now.

And if Hibbert returns to his old self, he would have already done a big damage with my shooting%s, which I'm already struggling with. And I don't think Hibbert's value could also be THAT much better from what Derozan's value is right now.
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Post#11 » by TheToothFairy » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:54 am

It comes down to your opinion of Bynum. As a 76er fan it would be great to root for your teams player. I just hav major concerns with Bynum. In. A 20 team league it could make or break your season this early. We all know Bynum is a Beast when healthy

7ft 260lb players with knee issues is a concern for me.
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Post#12 » by 76ciology » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:24 pm

TheToothFairy wrote:It comes down to your opinion of Bynum. As a 76er fan it would be great to root for your teams player. I just hav major concerns with Bynum. In. A 20 team league it could make or break your season this early. We all Bynum is a Beast when healthy

7ft 260lb players with knee issues is a concern for me.


+1
But I wouldn't say the deal all hinges on Bynum's health. Because if we remove Morris and Bynum, I think I still have the edge with Neal/Derozan over Aminu(close to being worthless)/Hibbert. Anyway, I think it's just a personal preference.

Thanks for your opinion. It's nice to have another point of view to evaluate a trade.
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Post#13 » by TheToothFairy » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:27 pm

76ciology wrote:
TheToothFairy wrote:It comes down to your opinion of Bynum. As a 76er fan it would be great to root for your teams player. I just hav major concerns with Bynum. In. A 20 team league it could make or break your season this early. We all Bynum is a Beast when healthy

7ft 260lb players with knee issues is a concern for me.


+1
But I wouldn't say the deal all hinges on Bynum's health. Because if we remove Morris and Bynum, I think I still have the edge with Neal/Derozan over Aminu(close to being worthless)/Hibbert. Anyway, I think it's just a personal preference.

Thanks for your opinion. It's nice to have another point of view to evaluate a trade.


I have never played in a 20 team league. It sounds awesome and probably really separates the men from the boys.

Good luck and keep me posted :)
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Post#14 » by Apathy » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:54 pm

TheToothFairy wrote:probably really separates the men from the boys.


It does no such thing. A snake draft in a 20-team league is the most broken thing you could imagine. It ruins the entire integrity of the league imo.

Auctions separate men from boys. I'd enter into any auction draft, putting any amount of money down, against any fantasy players in the world. Little doubt I'd come out on top.

Just saying.

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