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RiotPunch · Post #721 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:33 pm

I think there's a good chance we get Rudolph back as offensive coordinator if we name Tucker the new HC; they played together back in the day. Hammock will leave if he is not named OC, apparently. I'd prefer Rudolph.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #722 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:38 pm

I don't see Hammock getting real OC consideration. I don't think he has really any experience with play-calling and is more of a recruiter.

LUKE23 · Post #723 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:54 pm

No idea no the source, but a post from BadgerNation:

Just got done with a area of chamber of commerce meeting in which a couple of high profile UW boosters were there. A couple of interesting tidbits that came out of this lunch talking to one of them was.

1. Expect the assistant pool get a bump. At a recent UW fundraising event in Madison, boosters have agreed they want to be back in the top quarter of the league. This money will not come from facility fundraising.

2. A majority of interest in the opening has come from the NFL level. No less then 4 NFL assistants have expressed an interest in the opening but only Tucker has been interviewed.

3. Tucker was not initially interested in the job but has been energized by the interest in the alumni, boosters, and other coaches in the profession to interview.

4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.

5. Chris Ash is not a popular choice among boosters, as he is to closely connected to Bielema. Since most of the staff is already gone, many boosters feel that the ship has sailed since staff continuity is no longer a concern.

6. Chris Petersen and UW did speak at some level, but only through intermediaries, and as far as he knew those conversations never included Petersen himself and were never formal.

7. Until recently Sean Frazier and Holly Weber have been doing most of the contacting of candidates. Alvarez has been involved in 2 actual interviews.

8. The AD office feels more pressure as of today to fill the vacant UW volleyball post that is open. Alvarez was know to be interviewing several candidates for that job the past few days. Seems content to wait until after the 19th at a minimum for compliance reasons.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #724 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:59 pm

There's no way he'd enter the draft is there?

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Post #725 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:00 pm

Interesting. I don't know about there being more pressure to fill the VB spot though

I could see NFL assistants being interested as a stepping stone to a HC NFL gig one day.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #726 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:05 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.

This is absurd and kind of makes me doubt the poster's credibility. There is no way a coach would let something like that stop him from taking a job. There are now 24 right to work states in the country and Wisconsin is NOT one of them. That means the coach would (presumably) automatically rule out half the country for potential jobs. Then add in the fact that a lot of the south could be considered "anti union" and you eliminate a good deal of the premiere jobs in the country. No coach is dumb enough to make that a major factor in deciding to pursue a job.

Post #727 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:22 pm

These are 2011 figures and they represent the revenue each athletic department brings in, operating expenses and the profit. As you can see, Wisconsin was right up against it:

PSU: $116.1 / $101.3 / $14.8
Michigan: $122.7 / $111.8 / $10.9
Ohio State: $131.8 / $122.2 / $9.6
Purdue: $66.2 / $59.4 / $6.8
Iowa: $93.3 / $88.5 / $4.8
Illinois: 77.8 / 73.4 / $4.4
Indiana: $71.9 / $68.3 / $3.6
Nebraska: $83.6 / $81.9 / $1.7
Wisconsin: $96.28 / $95.62 / $.66
MSU: $84.5 / $84.00 / $0.5
Minnesota: $78.9 / $78.9 / $0.0

Compare that to a few other schools:

Alabama: $124.4 / $105.5 / $18.9
Texas: $150.2 / $133.6 / $16.6
Florida: $123.5 / $107.1 / $16.4
Arkansas: $91.7 / $79.3 / $12.4

Post #728 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:23 pm

Also, LOL @ Minnesota.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #729 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:34 pm

DrugBust wrote:Also, LOL @ Minnesota.

Why? Minnesota isn't last and considering the state of the football program the last few years, I'd say their standing in the Big Ten isn't all that bad.

Post #730 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:35 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:
4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.

This is absurd and kind of makes me doubt the poster's credibility. There is no way a coach would let something like that stop him from taking a job. There are now 24 right to work states in the country and Wisconsin is NOT one of them. That means the coach would (presumably) automatically rule out half the country for potential jobs. Then add in the fact that a lot of the south could be considered "anti union" and you eliminate a good deal of the premiere jobs in the country. No coach is dumb enough to make that a major factor in deciding to pursue a job.

I don't think it's THAT absurd, especially if there is a coach with strong political and social principles who's happy with their job already. But, I could very easily see how the telephone effect could distort the message a booster hears or how a booster who wants to pretend to be an insider makes up a comment like that. Or, it could be completely fabricated by the poster, too. Lots of possibilities.

Post #731 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:36 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Also, LOL @ Minnesota.

Why? Minnesota isn't last and considering the state of the football program the last few years, I'd say their standing in the Big Ten isn't all that bad.

Still, LOL @ Minnesota.

Post #732 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:38 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Also, LOL @ Minnesota.

Why? Minnesota isn't last and considering the state of the football program the last few years, I'd say their standing in the Big Ten isn't all that bad.

They were the only department not to turn a profit, which was why I chuckled.

Post #733 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:39 pm

By the way, the lack of information out there about the hiring process makes it easy for posters to fabricate rumors. I'm sure I could pose as an insider and make up a list of rumors on BadgerNation and it would spark discussion.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #734 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:44 pm

DrugBust wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Also, LOL @ Minnesota.

Why? Minnesota isn't last and considering the state of the football program the last few years, I'd say their standing in the Big Ten isn't all that bad.

They were the only department not to turn a profit, which was why I chuckled.

Oh, I wouldn't put too much stock into the "profit". A lot of schools use a screwy accounting practice to calculate revenues and expenses. If you looked at all of the athletic departments in the country, you'd probably be surprised at how many schools had exactly the same revenues as they had expenses. I can't remember the specifics of why this occurs but it came up in one of my sports law classes. If I had time I'd dig in to it a little more.

Edit: After a quick search I found one of the reasons...

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011 ... s-the-eye/

This chart does not tell the whole story. It gives a very skewed view of what is going on at these schools. For example, both LSU and Ohio State write checks back to their universities. I recently showed you how Ohio State gave $1 million to library renovation last year, one of nine such payments over a nine-year period, amongst other funds given back to the university. This money is treated just like any other expenditure when it comes to the chart above. So, while Ohio State may appear to be at the bottom of this list, there are plenty of schools above it who have shown no evidence giving back to their university for anything other than required expenses. Also, props to my alma mater, Florida, for donating over $6 million back to the university last year to help cover cuts in its operating budget passed down from the state.

So I'd look more at overall revenues than "profit".

JayMKE · Post #735 » by **JayMKE** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:14 pm

Yea, I don't buy that union stuff at all so I doubt the validity of the rest of that article.

xTitan · Post #736 » by **xTitan** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:46 pm

LUKE23 wrote:No idea no the source, but a post from BadgerNation:

Just got done with a area of chamber of commerce meeting in which a couple of high profile UW boosters were there. A couple of interesting tidbits that came out of this lunch talking to one of them was.

1. Expect the assistant pool get a bump. At a recent UW fundraising event in Madison, boosters have agreed they want to be back in the top quarter of the league. This money will not come from facility fundraising.

2. A majority of interest in the opening has come from the NFL level. No less then 4 NFL assistants have expressed an interest in the opening but only Tucker has been interviewed.

3. Tucker was not initially interested in the job but has been energized by the interest in the alumni, boosters, and other coaches in the profession to interview.

4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.

5. Chris Ash is not a popular choice among boosters, as he is to closely connected to Bielema. Since most of the staff is already gone, many boosters feel that the ship has sailed since staff continuity is no longer a concern.

6. Chris Petersen and UW did speak at some level, but only through intermediaries, and as far as he knew those conversations never included Petersen himself and were never formal.

7. Until recently Sean Frazier and Holly Weber have been doing most of the contacting of candidates. Alvarez has been involved in 2 actual interviews.

8. The AD office feels more pressure as of today to fill the vacant UW volleyball post that is open. Alvarez was know to be interviewing several candidates for that job the past few days. Seems content to wait until after the 19th at a minimum for compliance reasons.

Interesting, personally I believe that #4 and #8 are bogus. Wisconsin is not even a right to work state, if someone said that they are a political tool and F them. Point #8 is completely ridiculous, football is the revenue sport and really what matters, I thought I heard UW recruited the #1 female VB player in the country, someone is there and working, for Barry not to have football as HIS #1 priority is ludicrous.

Point #1, is real interesting, I have heard from several alumni that this has been a bit of embarrassment for UW considering the success of their program. Perhaps BB's whining about under paid assistants will end up being a big help for Tucker moving forward.

RiotPunch · Post #737 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:55 pm

If Mel Tucker is the guy, word is that Trooper Taylor might come with him. He's a former Auburn recruiter who was involved with Cam Newton and Reuben Foster's recruitment. Bringin' some SEC flavor to the B10?

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #738 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:45 pm

RiotPunch wrote:If Mel Tucker is the guy, word is that Trooper Taylor might come with him. He's a former Auburn recruiter who was involved with Cam Newton and Reuben Foster's recruitment. Bringin' some SEC flavor to the B10?

Or some dirty recruiting.

RiotPunch · Post #739 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:56 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:If Mel Tucker is the guy, word is that Trooper Taylor might come with him. He's a former Auburn recruiter who was involved with Cam Newton and Reuben Foster's recruitment. Bringin' some SEC flavor to the B10?

Or some dirty recruiting.

The guy is a snake, no doubt. You have to be to be a super successful recruiter. Or to compete with Urban.

His players always love him and he gets his players motivated better than anyone.

xTitan · Post #740 » by **xTitan** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:14 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:If Mel Tucker is the guy, word is that Trooper Taylor might come with him. He's a former Auburn recruiter who was involved with Cam Newton and Reuben Foster's recruitment. Bringin' some SEC flavor to the B10?

Or some dirty recruiting.

It would be interesting, many of the guys he recruited to Auburn wouldn't be able to get into Madison.