Trade Targets

[therealbig3]

Someone on ESPN talking about the Lakers possibly trading Gasol:

The Lakers have to address their lack of talent off the bench and Gasol still has enough value to yield a lower-level starting forward, a solid bench scorer and maybe a draft pick.

He might as well have said Humphries, Brooks, and 1st round pick.

I'd trade Humphries and Brooks for Boozer as well. Probably wouldn't throw in a pick though.

[vincecarter4pres]

Please quote to me where in the world I said that Tyrus Thomas is a good leader? PlEASE SHOW ME!!!!

This exactly you're problem is its either
1. you're unable to comprehend what i've been saying thus concluding you're an idiot
2. you're are talking with balls in you're mouth
3. you like to make to make things up so you can satisfy you're narcissistic

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If you're a psych major, what attracts you to the mind of Tyrus Thomas?

I like him because he plays hard and plays with a lot of heart. We got a player like Deron who seem as a terrible leader ATM. If we can't motivate him we need to change the culture around him. Meaning we need to add more players who cares like G. Wallace, Evans. I see Gerald Henderson, and Tyrus Thomas bringing that type of mentality in this team.

So you say he's the same as players who are leaders, who you've said already were leaders in a number of posts in your time on this board, yet you're not inferring he's a leader?


It's like over and over you keep saying BMW's and Porsches are great drivers cars and then you say the new Kia is just like a BMW and a Porsche. I say you're saying that a Kia is a great drivers car and you tell me I'm making things up and making a delusional connection.

Again, I know you're still trolling me, but I'm a sucker to be a dick to a troll.

I love how you can call me mental. Yet, you make up things I say.

Where in the world did I personally attack you vincecarter4pres? Again quote me. This guy is so delusional it seems as you need some mental help.

Where in the world did I attack you vincecarter4pres?? All I do in this forum is post my opinion and respond to all that responds to me. So how can it be unprovoked unless you provoke me to responding to you're post?

anyway, if you're done raging. I advise you to get some help seriously.

I'm done replying to any of this after one thing. I know you're still just trolling me, or you really are out of your mind, but pretty much from day one on these boards when I quoted a couple of your posts and debated some stuff, maybe made a few jokes about your left opinions, you immediately starting telling me what an idiot I was, how having a ton of posts doesn't make me not a moron, how my opinion was actually more or less quoting the latest article, how I should stop posting, etc.

I don't remember using the word attack, but I'm not going to get too literal to definition or start arguing semantics, but yeah, that's exactly what you've been doing since your start on this board.

Alright, I'm done, so...

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[Paradise]

How about taking DeJuan Blair from the Spurs? We shouldn't have to give them anything much.

[vincecarter4pres]

How about taking DeJuan Blair from the Spurs? We shouldn't have to give them anything much.

Meh.

[HelloBrooklyn]

So you say he's the same as players who are leaders, who you've said already were leaders in a number of posts in your time on this board, yet you're not inferring he's a leader?


It's like over and over you keep saying BMW's and Porsches are great drivers cars and then you say the new Kia is just like a BMW and a Porsche. I say you're saying that a Kia is a great drivers car and you tell me I'm making things up and making a delusional connection.

Again, I know you're still trolling me, but I'm a sucker to be a dick to a troll.

How in the world did you get that assumption towards that post?

It's great that you made the comparison with cars because I can make an analogy with this so you might understand what i'm talking about.

BMWs are great driving cars. Kia's are another brand of cars that aren't as great as BMWs. BMWs and KIAs are COMPARABLE because they are BOTH cars. Which is why we can conclude BMWs great cars because they are better compared to most other brands. Thus, making the fact that BMWs the advantage over Kias.

Are you still with me? Because the next couple of sentence is my point.

So What IF Kias made a brand new HYBRID cars AND BMWs doesn't Hybrid cars in line. Even though BMWs are a much superior brand than Kias, the fact that Kias have something that BMWs doesn't have can influence BMW's to make brand new HYBRID cars in their line of cars. WHY? Because it's surrounded by a brand new idea that BMWs doesn't have.

Do you understand this analogy?

I'm done replying to any of this after one thing. I know you're still just trolling me, or you really are out of your mind, but pretty much from day one on these boards when I quoted a couple of your posts and debated some stuff, maybe made a few jokes about your left opinions, you immediately starting telling me what an idiot I was, how having a ton of posts doesn't make me not a moron, how my opinion was actually more or less quoting the latest article, how I should stop posting, etc.

I don't remember using the word attack, but I'm not going to get too literal to definition or start arguing semantics, but yeah, that's exactly what you've been doing since your start on this board.

The fact that you think i'm attacking you and at the same thing you feel like you're some innocent little puppy is mind-boggling. Don't forget you started this argument

Certain people on this board make me guffaw. Yeah that's right, I said they make me hee-haw...

Then I said

Yeah i know some people have so many post on this forum yet, they know so little. It amazes how stubborn they are. The funny part is they will input their "opinion" Yet that "opinion" is something they read off an article.

The fact that you took full offense towards that statement just shows your insecurities. i wonder how you would take failures in reality.

Honestly, just to say to be a good human being. You need to do some soul searching and understand why you took that statement as a personal attack. Anyway, Good Luck to you. I mean it.

[rj2496]

Someone on ESPN talking about the Lakers possibly trading Gasol:

The Lakers have to address their lack of talent off the bench and Gasol still has enough value to yield a lower-level starting forward, a solid bench scorer and maybe a draft pick.

He might as well have said Humphries, Brooks, and 1st round pick.

I'd trade Humphries and Brooks for Boozer as well. Probably wouldn't throw in a pick though.

Lakers wouldn't do that. They have no need for Humphries especially with Howard there. They really need a stretch four like Ryan Anderson or someone who can shoot. Don't see why the Lakers would want a pick, since they are in win now mode. Brooks is redundant and wouldn't do anything for them anyway.

Plus, I'm not sure I'd want Gasol on the Nets either. Old, injured, soft, and making a ton of money. Thats not what we need.

[Keith Van Horn]

So you say he's the same as players who are leaders, who you've said already were leaders in a number of posts in your time on this board, yet you're not inferring he's a leader?


It's like over and over you keep saying BMW's and Porsches are great drivers cars and then you say the new Kia is just like a BMW and a Porsche. I say you're saying that a Kia is a great drivers car and you tell me I'm making things up and making a delusional connection.

Again, I know you're still trolling me, but I'm a sucker to be a dick to a troll.

How in the world did you get that assumption towards that post?

It's great that you made the comparison with cars because I can make an analogy with this so you might understand what i'm talking about.

BMWs are great driving cars. Kia's are another brand of cars that aren't as great as BMWs. BMWs and KIAs are COMPARABLE because they are BOTH cars. Which is why we can conclude BMWs great cars because they are better compared to most other brands. Thus, making the fact that BMWs the advantage over Kias.

Are you still with me? Because the next couple of sentence is my point.

So What IF Kias made a brand new HYBRID cars AND BMWs doesn't Hybrid cars in line. Even though BMWs are a much superior brand than Kias, the fact that Kias have something that BMWs doesn't have can influence BMW's to make brand new HYBRID cars in their line of cars. WHY? Because it's surrounded by a brand new idea that BMWs doesn't have.

Do you understand this analogy?

I'm done replying to any of this after one thing. I know you're still just trolling me, or you really are out of your mind, but pretty much from day one on these boards when I quoted a couple of your posts and debated some stuff, maybe made a few jokes about your left opinions, you immediately starting telling me what an idiot I was, how having a ton of posts doesn't make me not a moron, how my opinion was actually more or less quoting the latest article, how I should stop posting, etc.

I don't remember using the word attack, but I'm not going to get too literal to definition or start arguing semantics, but yeah, that's exactly what you've been doing since your start on this board.

The fact that you think i'm attacking you and at the same thing you feel like you're some innocent little puppy is mind-boggling. Don't forget you started this argument

Certain people on this board make me guffaw. Yeah that's right, I said they make me hee-haw...

Then I said

Yeah i know some people have so many post on this forum yet, they know so little. It amazes how stubborn they are. The funny part is they will input their "opinion" Yet that "opinion" is something they read off an article.

The fact that you took full offense towards that statement just shows your insecurities. i wonder how you would take failures in reality.

Honestly, just to say to be a good human being. You need to do some soul searching and understand why you took that statement as a personal attack. Anyway, Good Luck to you. I mean it.

Holy **** shut up already.

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[HelloBrooklyn]

Serious question... what problems does he solve? He's terribly inefficient offensively. Is it his shot blocking ability? Because I don't think he'd be all that useful considering the fact that we'd be in the penalty pretty quick since he fouls at an alarming rate. I can't think of anything to be quite honest.

Athleticism; Look at our roster and please tell me if we have any?

I think his problem can easily be fix by avery. Who proves he can get production from big men (i.e. Blatche and Kris Humphries)

His efficiency ranges over 12-14 and Kris Humphries range over 6-10 prior being coach under Avery.

I think all Avery needs to do is force him to focus on other skills of the game the way he did with Hump rather than focusing on offense. Which is easier to do in BK because the Nets have a lot of good offensive weapons.

His USG% is at 25-and 24 the last 2 complete years. Kris humphries was at 20% However, once Avery controlled Humps USG% to 17 his efficiency went up by 7 points.

Honestly there are more reason but I don't feel like writing them all over again. Just read the last 3 pages on this topic.

[therealbig3]

Someone on ESPN talking about the Lakers possibly trading Gasol:

The Lakers have to address their lack of talent off the bench and Gasol still has enough value to yield a lower-level starting forward, a solid bench scorer and maybe a draft pick.

He might as well have said Humphries, Brooks, and 1st round pick.

I'd trade Humphries and Brooks for Boozer as well. Probably wouldn't throw in a pick though.

Lakers wouldn't do that. They have no need for Humphries especially with Howard there. They really need a stretch four like Ryan Anderson or someone who can shoot. Don't see why the Lakers would want a pick, since they are in win now mode. Brooks is redundant and wouldn't do anything for them anyway.

Plus, I'm not sure I'd want Gasol on the Nets either. Old, injured, soft, and making a ton of money. Thats not what we need.

We're in win now mode too, so Gasol being old or making a lot of money is irrelevant. He is soft, and he is injured, but neither of those bother me. He's by far the best offensive big man that we could conceivably acquire, and I think his defense is a lot better than people here make it seem. He's a massive improvement over Humphries, that's for sure. He can shoot, pass, rebound, and score. As well as defend the rim. Seriously, what's not to like about Gasol?

Boozer would be my 2nd choice after Gasol.

What we need is a starting 4 that provides us with something offensively, while improving Humphries' defense. That's exactly what Gasol does, and then some, because he's a very good offensive player, even with all his issues.

[vincecarter4pres]

My apologies for cluttering this thread with mindless derailment by egging this guy on and continuing to reply. I should have just ignored him, it goes nowhere.

But I was just thinking while setting my fantasy lineups... and we had talked about this before, maybe last season at the deadline or this offseason? But what I'm about to get at... I would love Devin Harris back on this team as a big minute 6xth man. Similar to the role he's playing now, but I just feel like he could be a SMOY candidate here.

How would people feel about it if somehow we got him in a 3 team deal which also brought back a legit starting power forward, again specifically maybe Nene or Millsap?

Something where we send out maybe Brooks, Hump, Tele and a pick and wind up with one of those 2 and Devin?

[HelloBrooklyn]

Idk even where to begin with the response to my last post, so I'm not even going to pick up on that front.

If we want to talk about logic and premises, then you should look at the argument that you laid out about Kris Humphries.

You said "Look at Kris Humphries and the improvement that he's made under Avery. He and Tyrus both have low BBIQ. Therefore, if Kris got better, just imagine how Tyrus can get better"

There are several problems with this idea.

The first being that Avery made Kris Humphries "better". Avery didn't do anything to Hump. Hump started playing more when we were hit with serious injuries and he just did what he always did.

Look at Hump's per 36 numbers throughout his career. He's basically been the same from the start. Avery has done absolutely nothing to change his game.

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Season     Tm   G   MP  FG  FGA  FG% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PTS
2004-05   UTA  67  873 4.8 11.8 .404 3.0 5.1  8.1 1.8 1.0 0.7 2.1 11.5
2005-06   UTA  62  619 4.5 11.8 .379 3.3 5.9  9.1 1.7 1.3 0.9 1.8 10.9
2006-07   TOR  60  670 4.7  9.9 .470 4.2 5.9 10.0 1.0 0.8 1.1 1.7 12.2
2007-08   TOR  70  925 6.3 13.0 .483 3.5 6.6 10.1 1.1 1.0 1.1 1.8 15.5
2008-09   TOR  29  265 5.2 12.2 .422 3.3 6.2  9.5 1.4 1.1 0.8 1.1 15.5
2009-10   TOT  69 1221 5.3 12.0 .441 3.5 7.6 11.1 0.9 1.1 1.4 1.9 14.4
2009-10   DAL  25  315 6.1 13.1 .461 4.3 6.5 10.9 0.8 0.8 1.3 1.5 15.0
2009-10   NJN  44  906 5.0 11.6 .433 3.3 8.0 11.2 1.0 1.2 1.5 2.1 14.1
2010-11   NJN  74 2061 5.4 10.2 .527 3.9 9.5 13.5 1.5 0.6 1.4 1.8 12.9
2011-12   NJN  62 2162 5.4 11.2 .481 3.9 7.5 11.3 1.5 0.8 1.2 2.0 14.2
2012-13   BRK  23  535 4.1  9.2 .449 3.3 7.9 11.2 0.9 0.5 1.1 1.1 11.4
Career        516 9331 5.2 11.2 .466 3.7 7.4 11.1 1.3 0.9 1.2 1.8 13.3


Whether that is due to Hump not being able to apply the defensive principles that Avery pushes for OR Avery not being able to communicate effectively to players of Kris's ilk or both, the bottom line is that this is not a basic problem of arithmetic or geometry.

Avery is not the common denominator who always improves players, especially PFs. Using Kris Humphries as an example actually works against your argument simply because Hump has remained the exact same player that he was before he was coached by Avery. Avery just gave him more playing time.


The second thing is what Jeff alluded to. Tyrus Thomas is horribly inefficient offensively. As I said before, if you're an undersized big man, you have to have a high BBIQ and do things in a very crafty manner in order for you to be worth keeping on the floor. Even with Tyrus THomas blocking shots well, his inability to do anything positive on offense and his lack of height, keep him from being able to play 30+mpg. He doesn't play anymore minutes because a team can only take but so much negative BBIQ plays before it actually starts to hurt the team game overall.

In fact, that's the main reason why MarShon gets little burn. He can have spurts of pretty good offense, but his defense is just so bad if you leave him out there for an extended period of time, all of that positive offense you got will be negated by the poor defense you get out of him.

Tyrus is the same way but defensively. Yes, he blocks shots, but he's got the worst offensive RAPM on his team at -3.20.

And this is the Bobcats were talking about here. If you're offensive is the worst on the Bobcats, you have serious offensive deficiencies.

And then on top of that, his defensive RAPM is only +1.32. Hump's defensive RAPM is +1.61, so for all of the blocks that he gets, he's so bad in other areas of defense that brings his defensive value down to where it's less than Hump's.

There's just no reason to have Tyrus on this team.

Did you watch the 12 win season? Hump was a black hole. His game changed drastically when he stop taking ill-advised shots.

How can you say Avery didn't do anything is just taking away what he can do as a coach. I know he is not a great coach but he still coach a team that went to the finals. So he is a true NBA coach.

How do you say Tyrus Thomas is an undersized PF? he is listed as 6-10 Which in above average for a PF.

So how did Blatche improved his game so much if Avery has no value towards Hump and Blatche? Or is it just another coincidence?

I love how you say you're talking about the bobcats and Tyrus should have a great offensive number. But when in fact people were defending D-Will having a terrible offensive efficiency last year with lack of offensive weapons. That's just hilarious to me. How you can defend D-Will and you can't see the same reason with Tyrus Thomas.

Tyrus thomas was they main scoring threat in the post in the Bobcats last year. if he comes to Bk he will be third. and will have a lot less off being a priority offensively since we have D-Will JJ, Crash and Brook.

[vincecarter4pres]

It's a dangerous assumption to now think it's automatic for any scrub with talent and skills to transform into a good player if they're dealt here just because a couple guys have done that here thus far.

Also Hump is exceptionally overrated and has regressed to a bucket of suck since getting his second big payday, I don't even know that he's a good example.

He's basically the exact same player he's always been except he doesn't go into MJ mode anymore and if anything that's a direct product of this no longer being a $hit team, him simply getting a little older and the fact he'd get benched here if he does and have beef with his teammates.

And even Blatche, who I've even come around on fully and recently praised, we're still at a very small sample size with him. I'm mainly sold, but just in the he's getting it now mold, not in the he's going to be this forever mode. And bottom line, although his positive production has heavily outweighed the negative, he still has consistent bouts with as Jeff would put it, the BBIQ of a turnip.


And for the record, although I understand the concept that Ty can be taught and finally get it cause he has the physical tools, he's never been a good defender. In fact he's been a pretty bad defender most all his career.

He was considered a bucket of bust and suck in Chicago as well, I don't know where or when he was ever considered anything else then potential and then failure before being dealt to Charlotte. And then in Charlotte had a grand total of about one third a season decent level NBA ball before getting a huge contract, regressing, getting injured and then further regressing.

[NyCeEvO]

How can you say Avery didn't do anything is just taking away what he can do as a coach. I know he is not a great coach but he still coach a team that went to the finals. So he is a true NBA coach.

Mike Brown "coached" his team to the Finals. Is he a good coach?

How do you say Tyrus Thomas is an undersized PF? he is listed as 6-10 Which in above average for a PF.

Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.25"
Height w/ shoes: 6' 8.25"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyrus-Thomas-511/

Two years ago, he said he was 6'9 and he's been listed at 6'10" since.

But guess what? They don't do measurements again after you're drafted so that whole 6'10" is just made up.

He's not 6'10".

So how did Blatche improved his game so much if Avery has no value towards Hump and Blatche? Or is it just another coincidence?

Uhhh...Blatche's talent was never questioned. It was whether he could be used as a #2 option and a starter that was questioned.

Avery didn't do anything to Blatche. Hence, the reason why Blatche still makes dumb plays sometimes but he can be yanked at anytime, since we're not looking for him to get 30+ mpg or being a first option on offense.

I love how you say you're talking about the bobcats and Tyrus should have a great offensive number. But when in fact people were defending D-Will having a terrible offensive efficiency last year with lack of offensive weapons. That's just hilarious to me. How you can defend D-Will and you can't see the same reason with Tyrus Thomas. Tyrus thomas was they main scoring threat in the post in the Bobcats last year. if he comes to Bk he will be third. and will have a lot less off being a priority offensively since we have D-Will JJ, Crash and Brook.

Yes, because D-Will's shot selection is sooo comparable to Tyrus Thomas shot selection.

And I guess the fact that the average big man has a higher FG% than the average PG (since the big man is closer to the basket) doesn't mean anything either.

The guy is shooting 34% from the field this year and 37% from the field last year.

Go back to his Bulls days and his highest FG% was 48.3%.

A PF/Cs FG% should be at 50% or higher to at least be considered respectable.


And let me just inform of you something...notice how one by one, you're picking fights with people and acting like you're superior to everyone else regarding this subject matter.

That's never a good thing especially if you don't let up. No one is supporting you on this issue.

It's much better to just shut up about it now, and say "I told you so" if he ends up going somewhere and playing extremely well, rather than pushing for something that everyone is basically saying is a bad idea and belittling them at the same time.

Just cool your jets dude before JJ and Rich get into it.

[HelloBrooklyn]

It's a dangerous assumption to now think it's automatic for any scrub with talent and skills to transform into a good player if they're dealt here just because a couple guys have done that here thus far.

Also Hump is exceptionally overrated and has regressed to a bucket of suck since getting his second big payday, I don't even know that he's a good example.

He's basically the exact same player he's always been except he doesn't go into MJ mode anymore and if anything that's a direct product of this no longer being a $hit team, him simply getting a little older and the fact he'd get benched here if he does and have beef with his teammates.

And even Blatche, who I've even come around on fully and recently praised, we're still at a very small sample size with him. I'm mainly sold, but just in the he's getting it now mold, not in the he's going to be this forever mode. And bottom line, although his positive production has heavily outweighed the negative, he still has consistent bouts with as Jeff would put it, the BBIQ of a turnip.


And for the record, although I understand the concept that Ty can be taught and finally get it cause he has the physical tools, he's never been a good defender. In fact he's been a pretty bad defender most all his career.

He was considered a bucket of bust and suck in Chicago as well, I don't know where or when he was ever considered anything else then potential and then failure before being dealt to Charlotte. And then in Charlotte had a grand total of about one third a season decent level NBA ball before getting a huge contract, regressing, getting injured and then further regressing.

OMG you finally gave me a serious answer. It's well appreciated

Hump always sucked even in his big improvement year. Just because he was never able to catch the ball. Which is why D-Will had such a hard time last year. No inside outside game.

He simply just never had the physical talent to do anything great except for rebounding. That's why I think Tyrus Thomas can give you a much better production. I mean the role he can play isn't going to be anything huge in BK. What I like about it is us getting Gerald Henderson and Tyrus Thomas which ultimately adds a brand new dimension in the team. Concluding the team to become much more versatile.

You're right though I don't think Tyrus Thomas is a good defender either. However, It's not like Brook is a great defender neither is D-Will. However, the other positives that Avery brings to the table is his defensive system does work. I can see Ty being effective towards that. I see him just bringing so much fluidity on both ends of the court.

I know it's a huge risk taking him but, IMO it's not like his role is that going to be that huge. We just need him to glue the rest of the team.

Ultimately I would just get him if we can get Gerald Henderson as well. I think if we can get both of these players we can be one of the deepest team in the team with an X-factor.

The only problem I see with my theory is that he is an injury prone player. Also, the spacing is just not going to improve because he can't shoot the ball.

[NyCeEvO]

A PGs defense doesn't matter as much to the team as a PFs and Cs defense.

The PFs and Cs are the last line of defense after wing penetration. It is kind of crucial.

If he was a vet.min. addition like Blatche, fine. But he's not. He's a 3yr/$25mil addition.

Then throw in the lack of offensive efficiency and the injury history. it just doesn't make for a good deal.

[vincecarter4pres]

There was someone I was thinking of last night before I went to sleep, I had a light bulb moment. Not in the sense that my idea was great, but in the sense of how have none of us thought of this guy as a trade target before with all the BS'ing on topic we do here?

But I was struggling to keep my eyes open for about the whole hour before I hit the hay and I can't for the life of me remember who it was lol.

It'll come to me again, then I can post it and you guys can throw tomatoes and moldy fruit in my direction.

[NyCeEvO]

There was someone I was thinking of last night before I went to sleep, I had a light bulb moment. Not in the sense that my idea was great, but in the sense of how have none of us thought of this guy as a trade target before with all the BS'ing on topic we do here?

But I was struggling to keep my eyes open for about the whole hour before I hit the hay and I can't for the life of me remember who it was lol.

It'll come to me again, then I can post it and you guys can throw tomatoes and moldy fruit in my direction.

[vincecarter4pres]

There was someone I was thinking of last night before I went to sleep, I had a light bulb moment. Not in the sense that my idea was great, but in the sense of how have none of us thought of this guy as a trade target before with all the BS'ing on topic we do here?

But I was struggling to keep my eyes open for about the whole hour before I hit the hay and I can't for the life of me remember who it was lol.

It'll come to me again, then I can post it and you guys can throw tomatoes and moldy fruit in my direction.

[vincecarter4pres]

I like Gerald Henderson. I don't like him enough to give up value, have to take on Ty Thomas and then give Henderson a fat long term deal as well this offseason.

I'd do MarShon and salary filler for him.

[HelloBrooklyn]

Mike Brown "coached" his team to the Finals. Is he a good coach?

He isn't bad, he just had bad luck in the Lakers. He is average compare to the other coaches in the NBA

Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.25"
Height w/ shoes: 6' 8.25"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyrus-Thomas-511/

Two years ago, he said he was 6'9 and he's been listed at 6'10" since.

But guess what? They don't do measurements again after you're drafted so that whole 6'10" is just made up.

He's not 6'10"

LOL you realize players grow right? Or is it when you're height is listed that will be his permanent height?

You also do realize if you'r taking into consideration a player w/o shoes then you have to subtract 1 inches for every player thus concluding he is still average height for his position

Uhhh...Blatche's talent was never questioned. It was whether he could be used as a #2 option and a starter that was questioned.

Avery didn't do anything to Blatche. Hence, the reason why Blatche still makes dumb plays sometimes but he can be yanked at anytime, since we're not looking for him to get 30+ mpg or being a first option on offense.

If you really believe Avery has nothing to do with Blatche?? You gotta take off that bias goggles you have on.

The guy is shooting 34% from the field this year and 37% from the field last year.

Go back to his Bulls days and his highest FG% was 48.3%.

A PF/Cs FG% should be at 50% or higher to at least be considered respectable.

He never played with a post scorer next to him. He was always the biggest scoring threat in the post and we all know he can't handle that position

K-Mart during his Nets career never average above .500% yet he was the second best player in a 2 time eastern conference champion team.

And let me just inform of you something...notice how one by one, you're picking fights with people and acting like you're superior to everyone else regarding this subject matter.

That's never a good thing especially if you don't let up. No one is supporting you on this issue.

It's much better to just shut up about it now, and say "I told you so" if he ends up going somewhere and playing extremely well, rather than pushing for something that everyone is basically saying is a bad idea and belittling them at the same time.

Just cool your jets dude before JJ and Rich get into it.

Do you think i'm some kind of sheep?

I know basketball. I'm not gonna let up just because everyone is against me. Half of these people don't even know what they are talking about. (like you no offense) I'm here to talk about basketball because I like it. Also, I know like 2 Nets fans because our fan base is so poor. I'm not here to find BFFL. All of you guys have been defending VC4Prz when hasn't given any support towards his arguments.(until his last post) Do you realize how ridiculous you all look if an objective person is looking at this in a third person point of view?

Honestly, you guys are just defending him because he has been here. You can't look at one thing objectively with no bias whatsoever.

What will JJ and RIch do?? This forum is about debating. If you're here looking for friends online I suggest using Facebook.