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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#401 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:25 am

HelloBrooklyn wrote:Do you think i'm some kind of sheep?

I know basketball. I'm not gonna let up just because everyone is against me. :lol: Half of these people don't even know what they are talking about. (like you no offense) I'm here to talk about basketball because I like it. Also, I know like 2 Nets fans because our fan base is so poor. I'm not here to find BFFL. All of you guys have been defending VC4Prz when hasn't given any support towards his arguments.(until his last post) Do you realize how ridiculous you all look if an objective person is looking at this in a third person point of view?

Honestly, you guys are just defending him because he has been here. You can't look at one thing objectively with no bias whatsoever.

What will JJ and RIch do?? This forum is about debating. If you're here looking for friends online I suggest using Facebook.

Ok Mr.Objectivity and the source of accurate reason and knowledge, I'll remember the day when the God of Basketball said that Tyrus Thomas is the answer to all of our problems.

I'll make sure never to question your basketball acumen since you know so much more than me.

Excuse me for blaspheming against you earlier.
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#402 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:29 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:Do you think i'm some kind of sheep?

I know basketball. I'm not gonna let up just because everyone is against me. :lol: Half of these people don't even know what they are talking about. (like you no offense) I'm here to talk about basketball because I like it. Also, I know like 2 Nets fans because our fan base is so poor. I'm not here to find BFFL. All of you guys have been defending VC4Prz when hasn't given any support towards his arguments.(until his last post) Do you realize how ridiculous you all look if an objective person is looking at this in a third person point of view?

Honestly, you guys are just defending him because he has been here. You can't look at one thing objectively with no bias whatsoever.

What will JJ and RIch do?? This forum is about debating. If you're here looking for friends online I suggest using Facebook.

Ok Mr.Objectivity and the source of accurate reason and knowledge, I'll remember the day when the God of Basketball said that Tyrus Thomas is the answer to all of our problems.

I'll make sure never to question your basketball acumen since you know so much more than me.

Excuse me for blaspheming against you earlier.

Dude, Ty is only a nice complementary piece. Monta Ellis and Beans are the answers to all our problems.
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#403 » by HelloBrooklyn » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:32 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:Do you think i'm some kind of sheep?

I know basketball. I'm not gonna let up just because everyone is against me. :lol: Half of these people don't even know what they are talking about. (like you no offense) I'm here to talk about basketball because I like it. Also, I know like 2 Nets fans because our fan base is so poor. I'm not here to find BFFL. All of you guys have been defending VC4Prz when hasn't given any support towards his arguments.(until his last post) Do you realize how ridiculous you all look if an objective person is looking at this in a third person point of view?

Honestly, you guys are just defending him because he has been here. You can't look at one thing objectively with no bias whatsoever.

What will JJ and RIch do?? This forum is about debating. If you're here looking for friends online I suggest using Facebook.

Ok Mr.Objectivity and the source of accurate reason and knowledge, I'll remember the day when the God of Basketball said that Tyrus Thomas is the answer to all of our problems.

I'll make sure never to question your basketball acumen since you know so much more than me.

Excuse me for blaspheming against you earlier.


I apologize if I hurt you're feeling but i'm just being real.

When you're defense is that Tyrus Thomas is 6"7 w/o shoes and adding a FG% with a sample size of 8 games. Does that make you objective?

All of you were defending VC4prz for what was his reasons? :lol:

Anyway I do appreciate that you are trying to be nice to me.
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#404 » by HelloBrooklyn » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:42 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Dude, Ty is only a nice complementary piece. Monta Ellis and Beans are the answers to all our problems.


Putting words on my mouth again? I thought we had some mutual understanding I guess not. (sigh)
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Post#405 » by Jersey Generals » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:15 am

Running along with the idea of trading for Calderon, I'd probably do something similar to this, though it does need to be tweaked (sending Humphries to a third team).

Toronto trades: Jose Calderon and Ed Davis
Toronto receives: Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks

Why for Toronto? Gets them a phsyical rebounder they need, as well as a shooter and a scorer that they need playing with either Ross or Demar. He can also be a valuable piece off of the bench.

Lowry/Lucas
Ross/Brooks
DeRozan/Kleiza/Fields
Bargnani/Johnson/Humphries
Valanciunas/Gray/Acy


Nets trade: Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks
Nets receive: Jose Calderon and Ed Davis

Why for the Nets? It gets them a replacement for Williams, allowing him to heal for the playoffs. Additionally, it gets them an athlete at the four, which is what they need. Finally, it gets them under the tax apron this year, allowing the team to use the full MLE next summer (assuming no additional moves and Calderon expires.)

Williams/Calderon/Taylor
Johnson/Bogans/Watson
Wallace/Stackhouse/Shengalia
Evans/Davis/Teletovic
Lopez/Blatche/Evans

Not sure I would do it, as it means future trades are nearly impossible, but it is an interesting idea.
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Post#406 » by AntwanBoldin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:10 am

Man a top 10 pick on a rebuilding team for humphries? Why would they do that
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Post#407 » by therealbig3 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:16 am

The rest of us don't know basketball? We're not the ones that go on tirades against Pau Gasol, have a mancrush on Monta Ellis, and get hard-ons for Tyrus Thomas.
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#408 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:29 am

HelloBrooklyn wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Dude, Ty is only a nice complementary piece. Monta Ellis and Beans are the answers to all our problems.


Putting words on my mouth again? I thought we had some mutual understanding I guess not. (sigh)

"Words"... the new slang for testicles. Oh you kooky kids!
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Post#409 » by Jersey Generals » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:32 am

AntwanBoldin wrote:Man a top 10 pick on a rebuilding team for humphries? Why would they do that


Actually, the original idea was the send Humphries to a third team in exchange for a late first/a couple of seconds, and send them (as well as an expiring) to the Raptors, and take Landry Fields off of their roster, as well. But in order to do that, the Nets would have to send out Teletovic, and I'm not sure they're willing to do that. That's why I said it needs tweaking, because there are legit issues with both teams that I'm not sure would be able to be fixed. With Landry Fields, the Nets would be just at the tax apron last time I did the math, but not as far under as without him. Additionally, while Fields sucks, his contract isn't so bad, allowing the Nets another tradeable salary eventually; plus, he ends for the long-term plan.
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Post#410 » by N Ireland Nets » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:39 am

Jersey Generals wrote:Running along with the idea of trading for Calderon, I'd probably do something similar to this, though it does need to be tweaked (sending Humphries to a third team).

Toronto trades: Jose Calderon and Ed Davis
Toronto receives: Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks

Why for Toronto? Gets them a phsyical rebounder they need, as well as a shooter and a scorer that they need playing with either Ross or Demar. He can also be a valuable piece off of the bench.

Lowry/Lucas
Ross/Brooks
DeRozan/Kleiza/Fields
Bargnani/Johnson/Humphries
Valanciunas/Gray/Acy


Nets trade: Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks
Nets receive: Jose Calderon and Ed Davis

Why for the Nets? It gets them a replacement for Williams, allowing him to heal for the playoffs. Additionally, it gets them an athlete at the four, which is what they need. Finally, it gets them under the tax apron this year, allowing the team to use the full MLE next summer (assuming no additional moves and Calderon expires.)

Williams/Calderon/Taylor
Johnson/Bogans/Watson
Wallace/Stackhouse/Shengalia
Evans/Davis/Teletovic
Lopez/Blatche/Evans

Not sure I would do it, as it means future trades are nearly impossible, but it is an interesting idea.


Would that not also open the door for sign & trades in the summer?

You know where I'm going with this one if true.....

Would bring Smith & possibly even Howard into play again for us if we could do a sign & trade
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#411 » by AntwanBoldin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:41 am

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AntwanBoldin wrote:Man a top 10 pick on a rebuilding team for humphries? Why would they do that


Actually, the original idea was the send Humphries to a third team in exchange for a late first/a couple of seconds, and send them (as well as an expiring) to the Raptors, and take Landry Fields off of their roster, as well. But in order to do that, the Nets would have to send out Teletovic, and I'm not sure they're willing to do that. That's why I said it needs tweaking, because there are legit issues with both teams that I'm not sure would be able to be fixed. With Landry Fields, the Nets would be just at the tax apron last time I did the math, but not as far under as without him. Additionally, while Fields sucks, his contract isn't so bad, allowing the Nets another tradeable salary eventually; plus, he ends for the long-term plan.


But you still got a 3rd team Wantibg humphries? Enough to give up draft picks?

Nobody is paying $20M for humphries when a guy like draymobd green or Joel Anthony can go what he does for peanuts.

Humphries value is that his huge number comes off the books eventually and he Can get a team out from a mukti-tear deal. That's really it. From a dollar for production standpoint he's an awful chip.


As for Ed Davis he's like the only one on that team with a pulse.
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#412 » by N Ireland Nets » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:08 pm

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AntwanBoldin wrote:Man a top 10 pick on a rebuilding team for humphries? Why would they do that


Actually, the original idea was the send Humphries to a third team in exchange for a late first/a couple of seconds, and send them (as well as an expiring) to the Raptors, and take Landry Fields off of their roster, as well. But in order to do that, the Nets would have to send out Teletovic, and I'm not sure they're willing to do that. That's why I said it needs tweaking, because there are legit issues with both teams that I'm not sure would be able to be fixed. With Landry Fields, the Nets would be just at the tax apron last time I did the math, but not as far under as without him. Additionally, while Fields sucks, his contract isn't so bad, allowing the Nets another tradeable salary eventually; plus, he ends for the long-term plan.


But you still got a 3rd team Wantibg humphries? Enough to give up draft picks?

Nobody is paying $20M for humphries when a guy like draymobd green or Joel Anthony can go what he does for peanuts.

Humphries value is that his huge number comes off the books eventually and he Can get a team out from a mukti-tear deal. That's really it. From a dollar for production standpoint he's an awful chip.


As for Ed Davis he's like the only one on that team with a pulse.


I respectfully disagree.

Hump has actually put up good number overall the last few years. If you watch his play he looks poor but it's hard to argue he hasn't produced stat wise if that makes sense.

We basically have to find a gm without any form of watching past or present nets games, can throw the whole, "only 1 of a few players to averages double double in back to back seasons" angle on him and we can get a deal done.

The best trade we could make right now wouldn't cost is any assets or picks, we could fire Avery and hire a basketball coach, just might work.
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Post#413 » by REGG-G-UNIT » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:57 pm

N Ireland Nets wrote:The best trade we could make right now wouldn't cost is any assets or picks, we could fire Avery and hire a basketball coach, just might work.


This guy... Gets it. Well done.
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Post#414 » by AntwanBoldin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:15 pm

I like netincomes idea from hump to Amir Johnson with the price to pay being taking on Landry fields. Sign me up

Amir won't fumble every pass and miss every-lay in
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Post#415 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:38 pm

Amir Johnson? And have to take on Fields to get him?

IDK. I don't hate Amir, but is he that big an improvement?

He's on a bad contract himself more or less and won't be a big expiring to use as salary filler if needed again next year.

I certainly wouldn't take on Fields to get him unless we can swap MorShoot for Terrence Ross.

Amir is like the fallback plan's fallback plan after the second fallback plan fell back.
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Post#416 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:16 pm

This thread makes me fear for the future of this country... :lol:

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Post#417 » by AntwanBoldin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:37 pm

I think you're getting an athletic above the rim player who can finish these easy plays that are stalling our offense.


As the season goes on the scouting reports are going to clearly re-enforce "leave their PF open". Just the threat of an Amir Johnson or hickson rolling to the rim would open some things up. If say derons assists go up about 2 a game and his 15 footer improves.
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Post#418 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:42 pm

AntwanBoldin wrote:I think you're getting an athletic above the rim player who can finish these easy plays that are stalling our offense.


As the season goes on the scouting reports are going to clearly re-enforce "leave their PF open". Just the threat of an Amir Johnson or hickson rolling to the rim would open some things up. If say derons assists go up about 2 a game and his 15 footer improves.

But does Amir Johnson warrant and will he ultimately get minutes that make this trade worth it?

Is he so good where he plays 25+ minutes a game over Evans and Blatche and Lopez, while alongside one of them?

Is he good enough to even be on the court for those kinds of minutes on a strong playoff team?

I don't think so at all.

To me a deal like that screams of a panic move that will be marketed and masked as another buy low high ceiling star ready to bust out magnificent trade of genius and then when he's playing 15mpg and Fields is blogging in a suit our FO and coach will just shrug like, "It'll work eventually, these guys are hidden gems!"

Nah, that's a move I stay away from unless Terrence Ross is headed back this way with nothing more then Hump and MarShon outgoing.
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Post#419 » by AntwanBoldin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:14 pm

First of all why are you donating Marshon in a salary dump trade where it's not needed? Lol

Yea why would they panic? They're only playing .500 ball while claiming the city us ours.

You're turning your nose up at Amir b/c he probably wouldn't get crunch time minutes? Do you know what we're acquiring him for? A $20M nfl TE trying to play high level basketball for the first time ever and failing. What goes Humphries do? Kind of rebound a little?

Amir can do things Humphries can't and at the price of fields it's a clear upgrade for and a virtual wash salary wise.

I get being patient re: Nene but this a deal I definitely try for if I'm king.
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Post#420 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:29 pm

AntwanBoldin wrote:First of all why are you donating Marshon in a salary dump trade where it's not needed? Lol

Yea why would they panic? They're only playing .500 ball while claiming the city us ours.

You're turning your nose up at Amir b/c he probably wouldn't get crunch time minutes? Do you know what we're acquiring him for? A $20M nfl TE trying to play high level basketball for the first time ever and failing. What goes Humphries do? Kind of rebound a little?

Amir can do things Humphries can't and at the price of fields it's a clear upgrade for and a virtual wash salary wise.

I get being patient re: Nene but this a deal I definitely try for if I'm king.

This is a panic move at this juncture. It really is, pretty simple really.

You deal away our last salary filler for a bunch of meh.

Who said anything about crunch time?

I'm asking if a guy who's barely cracked 20mpg on horrible lottery teams his entire 8 year NBA career and still hasn't put up big number or big impact is going to come here and suddenly be able to play more then 10 to 15mpg?

And if you feel that he wouldn't, then why are you painting us into a corner by severely limiting our future trade flexibility? Especially for a guy who will struggle to beat out other flawed players on this roster, just because he does some things they don't?

You can't just combine player attributes and form a super player like this is NBA 2K13. You can't say, hey Amir can catch and finish, Evans can board, Tele can stretch the D and Lopez scores inside and pretend they're all on the court at the same time and fully mask each other.

If we trade away Hump's contract, you need a player coming back who does a number of those things all at once, is a major upgrade to our current platoon and is a legitimate big minute starter who fits in long stretches next to Lopez while working to exploit Deron's playmaking strengths.

Not just add more overpaid junk for the sake of making a move, when you'll find it super hard to re-trade those players as salary filler in the future if something pokes it's head out of the sand.

This is an impulse move with no long term plan or endgame. It's a "Hump sucks! Let's just trade him now, I hate all this losing!", when the big issues of why we're losing are ignored and written off with excuses and ultimately this trade will fail harder then just sitting tight.

And donating MarShon? You know Terrence Ross was just the 8th overall pick in the draft right? A super high upside young guy who simultaneously gives a longer window of high ceiling and internal improvement and a much bigger trade chip then we currently have, right?

You want Amir and Fields for Hump. That's a huge salary dump. But still we both know asking them for Ross is not going to fly as a standalone. I say offer them MarShon, cause that's the only way we should consider this ludicrous idea as is.

At least Hump is an expiring next season. At least there are probably some playoff teams that would give up their useless scrubalicious expirings for Hump at the deadline and then reroute those expirings to whatever team we're looking to deal with if they wouldn't take Hump.

Who is taking Fields or even Amir at the deadline or next draft night, offseason or next deadline if a great player becomes available, at least and especially if attached to our meager cache of assets?

What 3rd team is coming in to grab them for an expiring rerouted, especially when aiding us pick up a huge piece?

And yes, we've played like **** lately, but we're still 2 games above .500(til 9:45 PM tonight! :lol: )

But this is an MLB mentality trade. I can't endorse that move, I just can't.

Just my opinion on it.
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