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[xTitan]

So he has never really been out of Utah, has awful records until this year, did they beat any good teams this year? What kind of staff is he going to put together? The biggest question is how the hell is he going to recruit the Midwest and Florida......don't feel great about this at all.

Utah State was atrocious before he got there. 3-9 with their last Bowl Game being in '97 under John L. Smith. Turned them from 4-8, 4-8, 7-6, and now 11-2. Not sure how you can complain about that.

Again, sounds like he'll be a guy that relies on the local kids to start.

I sure as hell can complain about the bolded part, relying on local kids you have no chance to compete against Ohio State. I don't hate the hire, also don't love it. You can't tell me that recruiting is not going to be a major concern, if he brings all their assistants like it is being reported they will lose their brand because their OC runs a spread offense.

[Kerb Hohl]

So he has never really been out of Utah, has awful records until this year, did they beat any good teams this year? What kind of staff is he going to put together? The biggest question is how the hell is he going to recruit the Midwest and Florida......don't feel great about this at all.

Utah State was atrocious before he got there. 3-9 with their last Bowl Game being in '97 under John L. Smith. Turned them from 4-8, 4-8, 7-6, and now 11-2. Not sure how you can complain about that.

Again, sounds like he'll be a guy that relies on the local kids to start.

I sure as hell can complain about the bolded part, relying on local kids you have no chance to compete against Ohio State. I don't hate the hire, also don't love it. You can't tell me that recruiting is not going to be a major concern, if he brings all their assistants like it is being reported they will lose their brand because their OC runs a spread offense.

I don't really get it, though. There were several tweets posted that he's a really good recruiter. In 2005 was the best non-BCS recruiter per Rivals.

I don't think he's going to 100% rely on in-state guys all I meant is that he's good at getting the diamonds in the rough in-state. I'm sure he'll get some out of state recruits to compete with Ohio State, etc.

You honestly think just because the guy is new to the program he's going to completely fail at getting a few good kids from Texas or Ohio?

I'm still floored that you can talk about Paul Chryst as if he can do no wrong (and I again, I like Chryst) but not see any qualities in any other coach. You have a boner about the fact that Chryst developed Tolzien...how about the fact that Andersen was the defensive coach when they beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and held them to 17 points?

[JayMKE]

I don't really care if he does run the spread or not. Whatever he's most comfortable with as a coach and feels he can win the most. Tradition shouldn't dictate our offense.

[RiotPunch]

Was talking to RiotPunch.

[BUCKnation]

I dont think BA will allow for a spread offense, like he said in that article someone posted.

Considering Utah St. is the 3rd option in that state along with Boise St. close by, he did a very good job recruiting.

And he has turned out some nice RBs, like Turbin, who I also liked coming into the draft.

[humanrefutation]

This name came totally out of left field - didn't even hear a whisper about Anderson until today. And, to be honest, it took me a couple minutes to realize that Utah State's Gary Anderson isn't the same guy as the former Vikings kicker. Thanks for confusing me on that front.

I don't have much to add apart from what I've read about him. He seems like a really good coach, but I wonder if he'll be a great fit for Wisconsin.

[xTitan]

We will see right away how he recruits, they have a very good recruiting class verbally right now, will be interesting to see how many he can keep. My problem is that if his entire staff comes with him like it is being reported they are not strong in the Midwest, this is a relationship business, it doesn't happen over night usually. There is also a huge difference in recruiting the type of athlete at Utah State and the type at UW.

The Badgers have an offensive brand, power pro style football with multiple sets, multiple TE's, fullbacks etc., if they go to a spread offense it will be college football suicide IMO, you stick with your strength, large, physical offensive lineman who can move, that is what this state produces.

[LUKE23]

Well, I got a fat nugget of inside information dropped on me tonight. I don't usually get good stuff. Basically, my source will go unnamed, but he's tied directly to my rec basketball league and is one of the biggest boosters for UW Athletics. His two best friends within UW Athletics are Bo Ryan and Pat Richter. He wasn't with me tonight after my game, but he called the guy next to me.

Apparently, Paul Chryst was DYING to come back. His daughter is a senior at Edgewood and he loves it here. He contacted both Alvarez and Richter when the job came open, but Barry never contacted him for an interview, even though Chryst offered to take a paycut from his Pitt salary to pay for the buyout.

According to Richter, the reason BA didn't want Chryst was because Chryst wanted to take the program in a different direction than Alvarez did offensively. More innovative play calling, etc. Alvarez wanted a coach that is going to run the program "his way". Richter also said this is why none of the huge name guys were legitimate options. Alvarez's shadow over the program was too big.

Take it for what it's worth. The guy hasn't given me a ton the last few years but has been dead on with his UW hoops predictions on PT, etc. due to knowing Bo. If all of this is true, I definitely question this hire, and really, I do anyway. This guy had better win some **** games.

[humanrefutation]

Well, that just added a huge turd to the punch bowl, Luke.

[Kerb Hohl]

Well, I got a fat nugget of inside information dropped on me tonight. I don't usually get good stuff. Basically, my source will go unnamed, but he's tied directly to my rec basketball league and is one of the biggest boosters for UW Athletics. His two best friends within UW Athletics are Bo Ryan and Pat Richter. He wasn't with me tonight after my game, but he called the guy next to me.

Apparently, Paul Chryst was DYING to come back. His daughter is a senior at Edgewood and he loves it here. He contacted both Alvarez and Richter when the job came open, but Barry never contacted him for an interview, even though Chryst offered to take a paycut from his Pitt salary to pay for the buyout.

According to Richter, the reason BA didn't want Chryst was because Chryst wanted to take the program in a different direction than Alvarez did offensively. More innovative play calling, etc. Alvarez wanted a coach that is going to run the program "his way". Richter also said this is why none of the huge name guys were legitimate options. Alvarez's shadow over the program was too big.

Take it for what it's worth. The guy hasn't given me a ton the last few years but has been dead on with his UW hoops predictions on PT, etc. due to knowing Bo. If all of this is true, I definitely question this hire, and really, I do anyway. This guy had better win some **** games.

If given the option, I probably take Chryst. I also wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of an innovative style. That said, I really do like this hire as I read more.

Also, we had some very innovative playcalling in our last game, so I don't think it's completely out of the question, though I understand the issue if Barry wants it to still go the way it has.

[Kerb Hohl]

I trust you as much as most other posters on the board, but how did Chryst become such a highly paid coordinator with those ideas? Did he just hide what he really wanted to do?

[RiotPunch]

Well, I got a fat nugget of inside information dropped on me tonight. I don't usually get good stuff. Basically, my source will go unnamed, but he's tied directly to my rec basketball league and is one of the biggest boosters for UW Athletics. His two best friends within UW Athletics are Bo Ryan and Pat Richter. He wasn't with me tonight after my game, but he called the guy next to me.

Apparently, Paul Chryst was DYING to come back. His daughter is a senior at Edgewood and he loves it here. He contacted both Alvarez and Richter when the job came open, but Barry never contacted him for an interview, even though Chryst offered to take a paycut from his Pitt salary to pay for the buyout.

According to Richter, the reason BA didn't want Chryst was because Chryst wanted to take the program in a different direction than Alvarez did offensively. More innovative play calling, etc. Alvarez wanted a coach that is going to run the program "his way". Richter also said this is why none of the huge name guys were legitimate options. Alvarez's shadow over the program was too big.

Take it for what it's worth. The guy hasn't given me a ton the last few years but has been dead on with his UW hoops predictions on PT, etc. due to knowing Bo. If all of this is true, I definitely question this hire, and really, I do anyway. This guy had better win some **** games.

Wow. EXTREMELY disheartening if that info is accurate.

On the bright-ish side.

Benjamin Worgull ‏@TheBadgerNation
USU's OC recruits Texas (Dallas, North Texas) and Oklahoma while its DC recruits Central California. Both areas have paid off for UW in past

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

My concern is whether or not he was a great recruiter in Utah because he was a great recruiter or just a great recruiter or if was just really comfortable and connected in Utah. Will be interesting if can recruit local guys when he isn't local anymore.

[xTitan]

FootballScoop Staff ‏@footballscoop
Gary Andersen story is unreal. Coaches on his staff had no idea. Have been told tonight he's already lining up staff for Wisconsin...

FootballScoop Staff ‏@footballscoop
Sources telling us he has already offered at least one person not currently on his staff a coaching position at Wisconsin. More to come..

Good news is that he might be attempting to upgrade the assistants.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Some good inside info about Chryst, but the stuff about Alvarez wanting to do things his way isn't really that much of a revelation. The coach obviously has to be willing to listen to his input, but it's not like our offense is a liability in any way, providing we have the proper personnel in place. I don't see the connection as to why that makes this a bad hire.

[xTitan]

Well, I got a fat nugget of inside information dropped on me tonight. I don't usually get good stuff. Basically, my source will go unnamed, but he's tied directly to my rec basketball league and is one of the biggest boosters for UW Athletics. His two best friends within UW Athletics are Bo Ryan and Pat Richter. He wasn't with me tonight after my game, but he called the guy next to me.

Apparently, Paul Chryst was DYING to come back. His daughter is a senior at Edgewood and he loves it here. He contacted both Alvarez and Richter when the job came open, but Barry never contacted him for an interview, even though Chryst offered to take a paycut from his Pitt salary to pay for the buyout.

According to Richter, the reason BA didn't want Chryst was because Chryst wanted to take the program in a different direction than Alvarez did offensively. More innovative play calling, etc. Alvarez wanted a coach that is going to run the program "his way". Richter also said this is why none of the huge name guys were legitimate options. Alvarez's shadow over the program was too big.

Take it for what it's worth. The guy hasn't given me a ton the last few years but has been dead on with his UW hoops predictions on PT, etc. due to knowing Bo. If all of this is true, I definitely question this hire, and really, I do anyway. This guy had better win some **** games.

Just wow.

[Kerb Hohl]

Well, I got a fat nugget of inside information dropped on me tonight. I don't usually get good stuff. Basically, my source will go unnamed, but he's tied directly to my rec basketball league and is one of the biggest boosters for UW Athletics. His two best friends within UW Athletics are Bo Ryan and Pat Richter. He wasn't with me tonight after my game, but he called the guy next to me.

Apparently, Paul Chryst was DYING to come back. His daughter is a senior at Edgewood and he loves it here. He contacted both Alvarez and Richter when the job came open, but Barry never contacted him for an interview, even though Chryst offered to take a paycut from his Pitt salary to pay for the buyout.

According to Richter, the reason BA didn't want Chryst was because Chryst wanted to take the program in a different direction than Alvarez did offensively. More innovative play calling, etc. Alvarez wanted a coach that is going to run the program "his way". Richter also said this is why none of the huge name guys were legitimate options. Alvarez's shadow over the program was too big.

Take it for what it's worth. The guy hasn't given me a ton the last few years but has been dead on with his UW hoops predictions on PT, etc. due to knowing Bo. If all of this is true, I definitely question this hire, and really, I do anyway. This guy had better win some **** games.

Just wow.

Yet weren't you just getting pissed about Andersen potentially changing the offenses 2 posts ago? Now Chryst wants to run some innovative offense and might not be hired because of it and you're pissed?

[xTitan]

The only thing about the Chryst story that makes me scratch my head is that Barry absolutely loves Chryst and totally embraced his offense at UW.

[LUKE23]

I trust you as much as most other posters on the board, but how did Chryst become such a highly paid coordinator with those ideas? Did he just hide what he really wanted to do?

A very good question. Personally, from what I saw of Chryst, the guy was a great offensive mind. I don't know about him as a front line recruiter, so I'd want strong assistants in that area, but if I had my pick today, I'd take Chryst over Andersen all day long. I think he'd be able to maintain our running dominance while also improving the passing game.

[paulpressey25]

He has pretty much just as much experience as Bielema when he was handed the role, and for everyone's complaining, Bielema was successful. He was a D-Coordinator at Utah in 2 BCS games under Urban Meyer and turned around a putrid D-1 team. I think that would be as much or more experience than Bielema if you ask me.

I'm not really concerned on experience but whether the guy has "it". Evidently Bielema did and he was only 36 when Barry promoted him up. Partly because Bielema was a hot name who was on his way up. The guy we hired is 48, so I don't sense he was a prodigy type guy that we need to take the program to the next level, otherwise he would have been a major HC 8-10 years ago. These top tier head coaches usually start presenting themselves to be HC by age 40 and for whatever reason this guy did not.

As for being DC for Urban Meyer, Terry Stotts was assistant HC for George Karl.

This just reeked to me of a middle age guy that had some beers with Barry and who Barry felt he could control. The info Luke posted above might correlate with that thought.