Trade Targets

[Paradise]

This thread makes me fear for the future of this country...

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"Deron living off of a reputation" ...He averaged 20, 8 assists on 40% shooting a year ago. which is the same stats of Westbrook today which would be considered one of his best seasons. I guess Westbrook is living off one too?

RealGM honestly has some of the horrible fans when it comes to discussing basketball in general. I wish everyone would just stick to their own team.

Melo was compared to Micheal Beasley and DeMarcus Cousins, Lin was the second coming of Steve Nash. Now, Melo is like a prime MJ over in the general board and Lin should be traded. Ironically, Harden is holding back Lin but you don't see nobody starting a thread about it bashing Harden's ISO friendly style.

General board...where agendas happen. Start a thread trashing Joe Johnson, disappear when he starts shooting 45 and 50% in games.

#WelcomeToNYBias

[AntwanBoldin]

First of all why are you donating Marshon in a salary dump trade where it's not needed? Lol

Yea why would they panic? They're only playing .500 ball while claiming the city us ours.

You're turning your nose up at Amir b/c he probably wouldn't get crunch time minutes? Do you know what we're acquiring him for? A $20M nfl TE trying to play high level basketball for the first time ever and failing. What goes Humphries do? Kind of rebound a little?

Amir can do things Humphries can't and at the price of fields it's a clear upgrade for and a virtual wash salary wise.

I get being patient re: Nene but this a deal I definitely try for if I'm king.

This is a panic move at this juncture. It really is, pretty simple really.

You deal away our last salary filler for a bunch of meh.

Who said anything about crunch time?

I'm asking if a guy who's barely cracked 20mpg on horrible lottery teams his entire 8 year NBA career and still hasn't put up big number or big impact is going to come here and suddenly be able to play more then 10 to 15mpg?

And if you feel that he wouldn't, then why are you painting us into a corner by severely limiting our future trade flexibility? Especially for a guy who will struggle to beat out other flawed players on this roster, just because he does some things they don't?

You can't just combine player attributes and form a super player like this is NBA 2K13. You can't say, hey Amir can catch and finish, Evans can board, Tele can stretch the D and Lopez scores inside and pretend they're all on the court at the same time and fully mask each other.

If we trade away Hump's contract, you need a player coming back who does a number of those things all at once, is a major upgrade to our current platoon and is a legitimate big minute starter who fits in long stretches next to Lopez while working to exploit Deron's playmaking strengths.

Not just add more overpaid junk for the sake of making a move, when you'll find it super hard to re-trade those players as salary filler in the future if something pokes it's head out of the sand.

This is an impulse move with no long term plan or endgame. It's a "Hump sucks! Let's just trade him now, I hate all this losing!", when the big issues of why we're losing are ignored and written off with excuses and ultimately this trade will fail harder then just sitting tight.

And donating MarShon? You know Terrence Ross was just the 8th overall pick in the draft right? A super high upside young guy who simultaneously gives a longer window of high ceiling and internal improvement and a much bigger trade chip then we currently have, right?

You want Amir and Fields for Hump. That's a huge salary dump. But still we both know asking them for Ross is not going to fly as a standalone. I say offer them MarShon, cause that's the only way we should consider this ludicrous idea as is.

At least Hump is an expiring next season. At least there are probably some playoff teams that would give up their useless scrubalicious expirings for Hump at the deadline and then reroute those expirings to whatever team we're looking to deal with if they wouldn't take Hump.

Who is taking Fields or even Amir at the deadline or next draft night, offseason or next deadline if a great player becomes available, at least and especially if attached to our meager cache of assets?

What 3rd team is coming in to grab them for an expiring rerouted, especially when aiding us pick up a huge piece?

And yes, we've played like **** lately, but we're still 2 games above .500(til 9:45 PM tonight! )

But this is an MLB mentality trade. I can't endorse that move, I just can't.

Just my opinion on it.

Seems like you're kind of taking an ARound the horn approach here. trying to win the argument at all costs.

You're good with the cap you know there is still enough filler there to make other trades with the salary that'd be incoming. You know there are ways to break trades down. Etc.

So you're claiming it to be a panic trade, while at the same time ranting about the loss of for sure future tradee Kris Hunphrues . We know he sucks, we know we're looking to upgrade.


We can't trade Humphries now anyway but things are looking bad. Our 21%, meh defense playing star of wants to change the system and people are catching on to Avery's unimaginative play calling.

This is supposed to be the year of respectability.

Take on salary, go get nene , go get Amir. Just get a 4 who can score. It's gonna happen

I'm not sure what the whole combining players thing is about. Humphries is botching plays thar are buckets with Amir.

I'm not really sure what your thesis is. It's not defending humphries abilities I know that, I guess it's preaching patience but were sort of forcEd into that anyway.

If you think we can do better than This then well I hope that'll be the case. We all know how so many teams are going to look to cut costs . Even still it's a lot to pay out for a nothing PF who seems to have no friends around the league

[Jersey Generals]

There isn't enough filler. Maybe that's what you're issue is. There wouldn't be filler. The only filler that would be tradeable is Teletovic, and he's at a measly 3.5 million or so.

[vincecarter4pres]

There isn't enough filler. Maybe that's what you're issue is. There wouldn't be filler. The only filler that would be tradeable is Teletovic, and he's at a measly 3.5 million or so.

Exactly.

Fields and Amir aren't really filler, especially the former because they are on big bad contracts(lol).

Ripoff trades always happen and players and agents trump outgoing value, but there are points where you can't WWE rig a trade if you're not only asking a team to trade their star for a few late 1sts and MarShon Brooks, but now instead of sending expiring salary in the deal, you want them to take 3 and 4(or 2 and 3) year contracts of bad players who have the upside to put it all together and be a touch below average.

And Boldin you know I'm fully down for Nene as long as nothing huge would be on the horizon that trading for him would compromise, but that's because he's a star stud role player. Amir/Fields and Nene share basically little to nothing in common on court or in a representation of value and fit.

[N Ireland Nets]

I think you're getting an athletic above the rim player who can finish these easy plays that are stalling our offense.


As the season goes on the scouting reports are going to clearly re-enforce "leave their PF open". Just the threat of an Amir Johnson or hickson rolling to the rim would open some things up. If say derons assists go up about 2 a game and his 15 footer improves.

But does Amir Johnson warrant and will he ultimately get minutes that make this trade worth it?

Is he so good where he plays 25+ minutes a game over Evans and Blatche and Lopez, while alongside one of them?

Is he good enough to even be on the court for those kinds of minutes on a strong playoff team?

I don't think so at all.

To me a deal like that screams of a panic move that will be marketed and masked as another buy low high ceiling star ready to bust out magnificent trade of genius and then when he's playing 15mpg and Fields is blogging in a suit our FO and coach will just shrug like, "It'll work eventually, these guys are hidden gems!"

Nah, that's a move I stay away from unless Terrence Ross is headed back this way with nothing more then Hump and MarShon outgoing.

If your going to eat salary you take an Iiyasova type player who could get a lot better.

The price for doing so should be a decent player off the bucks like Sanders.

Hump, Brooks & Taylor for IIyasova, Sanders & Gooden

[vincecarter4pres]

Seems like you're kind of taking an ARound the horn approach here. trying to win the argument at all costs.

Am I?

Or maybe Amir Johnson and Landry Fields aren't good and basically everything about actual future trades and rotations is little opinion and mainly just common sense truth?

You're good with the cap you know there is still enough filler there to make other trades with the salary that'd be incoming. You know there are ways to break trades down. Etc.

Thanks sir!

As for the rest, obviously this is what I was talking about in the reply to JG's post.

So you're claiming it to be a panic trade, while at the same time ranting about the loss of for sure future tradee Kris Hunphrues . We know he sucks, we know we're looking to upgrade.

Yes, but I've just said why losing Hump is bad and it has little to nothing to do with his play.

We can't trade Humphries now anyway but things are looking bad. Our 21%, meh defense playing star of wants to change the system and people are catching on to Avery's unimaginative play calling.

This is supposed to be the year of respectability.

Yes and how does this trade help any of this?

Our main problems right now are coaching, injuries and our underperforming star.

Take on salary, go get nene , go get Amir. Just get a 4 who can score. It's gonna happen

I hope you're right, just not for Amir.

I'm not sure what the whole combining players thing is about. Humphries is botching plays thar are buckets with Amir.

What it's about is you're making it like Amir is Amar'e in the pick and roll or that he's a prime bucket getter. When really he's just a solid NBA minute eater and rotation player.

He isn't a huge upgrade over Hump, or even a big one.

What it's about is you're skimming over all the massive faults Amir has as if they don't exist or that he's so good at scoring that you can overlook all the stuff he does bad.

There's a reason he is who he is and not some 17ppg stud who plays 32mpg+ on good teams.

I'm not really sure what your thesis is. It's not defending humphries abilities I know that, I guess it's preaching patience but were sort of forcEd into that anyway.

Yes, you got it right. It's preaching patience until something solid comes. Thinking about future flexibility unless the move is really legit.

If you think we can do better than This then well I hope that'll be the case. We all know how so many teams are going to look to cut costs . Even still it's a lot to pay out for a nothing PF who seems to have no friends around the league

I hope we can do better. I have to think we can do better. This isn't an awful horrible trade at first glance on the surface. Amir is a decent player. Maybe Fields can be a little more like he was in NYC before Melo came. Probably not on the latter, but maybe.

But it's not a good trade, even just in a basketball on court sense.

It's an idea spawned out of massive frustration.

It's high risk and low reward.

That's how I would describe it.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think you're getting an athletic above the rim player who can finish these easy plays that are stalling our offense.


As the season goes on the scouting reports are going to clearly re-enforce "leave their PF open". Just the threat of an Amir Johnson or hickson rolling to the rim would open some things up. If say derons assists go up about 2 a game and his 15 footer improves.

But does Amir Johnson warrant and will he ultimately get minutes that make this trade worth it?

Is he so good where he plays 25+ minutes a game over Evans and Blatche and Lopez, while alongside one of them?

Is he good enough to even be on the court for those kinds of minutes on a strong playoff team?

I don't think so at all.

To me a deal like that screams of a panic move that will be marketed and masked as another buy low high ceiling star ready to bust out magnificent trade of genius and then when he's playing 15mpg and Fields is blogging in a suit our FO and coach will just shrug like, "It'll work eventually, these guys are hidden gems!"

Nah, that's a move I stay away from unless Terrence Ross is headed back this way with nothing more then Hump and MarShon outgoing.

If your going to eat salary you take an Iiyasova type player who could get a lot better.

The price for doing so should be a decent player off the bucks like Sanders.

Hump, Brooks & Taylor for IIyasova, Sanders & Gooden

I don't mind this trade. In fact I think I like it a lot cause I really like Sanders and hold hope Ily is a lot more like he was last year or even how he's bounced back this month.

But I still think Milwaukee rejects it even though it's pretty fair with all the salary they dump cause they're really high on Sanders themselves and need to keep players like him who they control for at least another 4 years basically worry free.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, they're not including Sanders in that deal. MIL loves him.

[REGG-G-UNIT]

I don't think the Bucks will part with Sanders and the more I see him the play the more I'm certain that his last year was a fluke.

He raised his three-point shooting from 30% to 46% for crying out loud... And if you look at his rebounding rates from this year they matchup pretty well with how he rebounded his first 3 years in the league.

Not a bad player, but unless the Nets can get some of the filler that you guys were alluding to, I'm not sure if it's worth trading for him...

Putting my homer glasses on, do you guys think it's possible the Nets could swing a trade for Gasol?

I mean if the Nets threw out Wallace, Humphries, Teletovic, Taylor, 1st Rounder for Pau and Blake (contract) that's kind of like a D'Antoni wet dream right?

[AntwanBoldin]

Example of a trade that can't be made after this trade that can be made before it?

[NyCeEvO]

^^The bit I watched of Pau last night, his knees don't look good. I know he doesn't really jump, but he's getting less lift than normal.

While I'm sure Pau would be a positive regardless, I wonder if Nene would have a great effect on our offense and defense.

He can run with D-Will more than Pau can.
They both knock down the midrange jumper at a respectable clip.
But Nene actually knows how to properly rotate.

Plus, I think WAS would be more willing to take Hump for Nene due to salary relief than LA would be in taking those pieces for Gasol.

And there's no way that we'd give up Wallace for Gasol.

[vincecarter4pres]

Example of a trade that can't be made after this trade that can be made before it?

What happens if say Eric Gordon or LaMarcus Aldridge become available and try to force their way here?

It can be anyone really.

[NyCeEvO]

Example of a trade that can't be made after this trade that can be made before it?

What happens if say Eric Gordon or LaMarcus Aldridge become available and try to force their way here?

It can be anyone really.

I really doubt we'd take EG. He has to prove to be healthy for more than 2 weeks at a time.

Now LMA...

[AntwanBoldin]

Example of a trade that can't be made after this trade that can be made before it?

What happens if say Eric Gordon or LaMarcus Aldridge become available and try to force their way here?

It can be anyone really.

And we get them with Marshon brooks? Lol

[vincecarter4pres]

Example of a trade that can't be made after this trade that can be made before it?

What happens if say Eric Gordon or LaMarcus Aldridge become available and try to force their way here?

It can be anyone really.

And we get them with Marshon brooks? Lol

Apparently you've missed the Lakers getting Pau for peanuts, Dwight for a knee brace, the Knix getting Melo for mediocre picks and Gallo and a bunch of overrated trashy fake rotation young guys on rookie deals, etc.

The point is when a ripoff trade comes up you don't want to have to try and match salary with Landry Fields and Amir Johnson when all you have to offer as assets are meager mid to late 1sts, MarShon Brooks and Teletovic in the WPP along with a Euro stash like Bogs.

[NyCeEvO]

I actually wondered when MSG fans would chant Brooklyn mockingly.

I thought of that a few days ago and it looks like it has come to fruition sadly.

[AntwanBoldin]

Marc Gasol, Andre Bynum > brooks

I think we should hold tight that we can get Aldridge . Things are looking good so far , why shake it up

[vincecarter4pres]

Hey guys, do you know we would have won this game, but we don't have Amir Johnson and Landry Fields, so we lost. :frown:

[bobbyc]

What about bringing in Ben Gordon or Marcus thorton. We need some shooting, playmaking, and scoring off the bench. They should come pretty cheap.

[Dr Positivity]

Any interest in a Humphries for Bargnani swap? Or is even dealing Humphries for Bargnani at this point a Michael Scott No God No worthy suggestion