The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

boogie-reke · Post #501 » by **boogie-reke** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:45 pm

Davis numbers are fine.

It's the defensive impact I expected him to have that dissapoints me right now, although I do understand it somewhat.

I find him to be a below average or if I may be more direct, poor defender pretty much everytime I saw him this year.

Again, I hardly put much emphasis into it in terms of his career - I have no doubt he will adjust, learn, and excel as a defender as time moves on cause all the mistakes he makes are very rookie-like and involves knowing the angles, learning not to be over aggressive not trying to do too much, and getting physically stronger - but i'm strictly speaking on what I saw from him up until now on the defensive end which was billed as his bread and butter (rightfully so due to his play in collage) - and is so far his weakness currently in the pros, despite the positive flashes he does show.

Offensively he have been good, getting to the line quite often being excellent on the pick and roll, showing the ability to get to the line alot, and hitting his FT with fantastic % for a bigman - on top of hitting that jumper. He needs to watch more Tyson Chandler film of how he's playing the PNR esp this year with Felton, and needs to have his coach use him in more high pick and rolls with the floor spread which will only help him and his efficiency and numbers in general.
Very pleased with his boxing out and defensive rebounding that are visibly improved from collage aswell as the shot and FTs.

Regardless though, it seems if he gets a fair chance to play till the end of the season without anymore setbacks, he will compete with Lillard for ROY. Lillard has the initial success and more formidable team on his side - but in terms of numbers, and not just per 36, Davis will really challenge him I feel. Wouldn't close the book on the race just yet.

GreenRiddler · Post #502 » by **GreenRiddler** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:34 am

rockmanslim wrote:Who here can read lips? What was Lillard yelling after he hit the game winner?

RESPECT MY ****

Shem · Post #503 » by **Shem** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:40 am

Updated Rookie Ladder came out today:

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Alexey Shved
4. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. Bradley Beal
6. Andre Drummond
7. Dion Waiters
8. Kyle Singler
9. Andrew Nicholson
10. Harrison Barnes

qm22 · Post #504 » by **qm22** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:05 am

Shem wrote:Updated Rookie Ladder came out today:

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Alexey Shved
4. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. Bradley Beal
6. Andre Drummond
7. Dion Waiters
8. Kyle Singler
9. Andrew Nicholson
10. Harrison Barnes

I really don't get how Bradley Beal is at 5.

amcoolio · Post #505 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:30 am

MKG finally had a solid game. 25 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 3 steals, 1 block. He and Kemba are the only ones showing up for the Bobcats

ComboGuardCity · Post #506 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:21 am

Beal shouldnt even be top 10 at this point.

kaulkhara15 · Post #507 » by **kaulkhara15** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:24 am

amcoolio wrote:MKG finally had a solid game. 25 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 3 steals, 1 block. He and Kemba are the only ones showing up for the Bobcats

Solid? That's a great game.

JunkYardSubs · Post #508 » by **JunkYardSubs** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:29 am

Shem wrote:Updated Rookie Ladder came out today:

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Alexey Shved
4. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. Bradley Beal
6. Andre Drummond
7. Dion Waiters
8. Kyle Singler
9. Andrew Nicholson
10. Harrison Barnes

Beal, Waiters and Barnes have been trash recently

nin10doe · Post #509 » by **nin10doe** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:33 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:Word? Greivis is playing well, they find Davis plenty, I honestly thought that before the beginning of the season, but they do a good job of getting him clean looks.

Vasquez is playing well but he's BLIND on pick and rolls. Its insane how many times he totally ignores a wide open Davis after he sets the pick, dribbles into a trap, and turns the ball over because he can't handle ball pressure.

SWedd523 · Post #510 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:38 am

With 25 points and 12 rebounds, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist joins LeBron James as the only two players in NBA history post those numbers twice before their 20th birthday. MKG also had a 25-point, 12-rebound performance on November 10 in a 101-97 win over Dallas.

Kidd-Gilchrist is the only rookie to reach this plateau twice in his first year.

Pretty cool

JungleCat022 · Post #511 » by **JungleCat022** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:14 am

JunkYardSubs wrote:
Shem wrote:Updated Rookie Ladder came out today:

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Alexey Shved
4. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. Bradley Beal
6. Andre Drummond
7. Dion Waiters
8. Kyle Singler
9. Andrew Nicholson
10. Harrison Barnes

Beal, Waiters and Barnes have been trash recently

Waiters first game back from injury was last night....

boogie-reke · Post #512 » by **boogie-reke** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:26 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
With 25 points and 12 rebounds, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist joins LeBron James as the only two players in NBA history post those numbers twice before their 20th birthday. MKG also had a 25-point, 12-rebound performance on November 10 in a 101-97 win over Dallas.

Kidd-Gilchrist is the only rookie to reach this plateau twice in his first year.

Pretty cool

That's awesome. Love MKG.

And he's doing that just on hustle, smarts, reading the defence and putting the effort - without any jumpshot whatsoever.

If this kid can get a jumpshot.. wow.

King d · Post #513 » by **King d** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:54 pm

JunkYardSubs wrote:
Shem wrote:Updated Rookie Ladder came out today:

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Alexey Shved
4. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. Bradley Beal
6. Andre Drummond
7. Dion Waiters
8. Kyle Singler
9. Andrew Nicholson
10. Harrison Barnes

Beal, Waiters and Barnes have been trash recently

Besides of his average shooting %, Beal is averaging 15 ppg in december, I wouldn't consider that "trash".

Goldtop · Post #514 » by **Goldtop** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:23 pm

Monroe took Valanciunas to school last night. 35/10/2/2 and 14-22 FG on the rookie.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxlOrjPH-w[/youtube]

Goldtop · Post #515 » by **Goldtop** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:35 pm

boogie-reke wrote:Davis numbers are fine.

It's the defensive impact I expected him to have that dissapoints me right now, although I do understand it somewhat.

I find him to be a below average or if I may be more direct, poor defender pretty much everytime I saw him this year.

I agree. The reason he went #1 and was touted as the next Bill Russell/Ben Wallace type of big man was because of his defense and nothing else. At his size though I never expected him to be a dominant defender in the NBA. He's not going ever own the paint on defense, imo. He's just not physically intimidating enough.

Thats where all the hype for him was - on defense. He can still be a great overall big man since his offense has come around and he's a great rebounder, but until he starts to dominate games on defense, I don't think he will ever meet the expectations ppl had for him. And at his size its going to be hard to see him do that in this league.

Jon1798 · Post #516 » by **Jon1798** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:08 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Beal shouldnt even be top 10 at this point.

Bradley Beal:

35.8% FG
30.5% 3PT
2.3 Assists
1.7 TO's

Austin Rivers:

36.1% FG
37.5% 3PT
2.8 Assists
1.5 TO's

Rivers....doesn't deserve to be in NBA. Beal....top 5 rookie. Go figure.

boogie-reke · Post #517 » by **boogie-reke** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:23 pm

Goldtop wrote:
boogie-reke wrote:Davis numbers are fine.

It's the defensive impact I expected him to have that dissapoints me right now, although I do understand it somewhat.

I find him to be a below average or if I may be more direct, poor defender pretty much everytime I saw him this year.

I agree. The reason he went #1 and was touted as the next Bill Russell/Ben Wallace type of big man was because of his defense and nothing else. At his size though I never expected him to be a dominant defender in the NBA. He's not going ever own the paint on defense, imo. He's just not physically intimidating enough.

Thats where all the hype for him was - on defense. He can still be a great overall big man since his offense has come around and he's a great rebounder, but until he starts to dominate games on defense, I don't think he will ever meet the expectations ppl had for him. And at his size its going to be hard to see him do that in this league.

The strength etc is something that will come in time, I mean there's no reason why he won't be tbh, it's just a matter of time.

Him being confused on defense, being over aggressive especially on pick and roll defense pretty much all the time, not knowing the angles, getting lost and not goes back to his man on time in the rotations is the negative highlight for me in terms of his defense, and what makes him very very vulnerable - although as you said the fact he gives a deep position and can't really handle guys 1v1 due to his lack of strength down low is a problem too.

Granted again this is all stuff rookie big will have problem with, but from Anthony surely with how he played in collage I expected better in terms of defensive IQ, and playing under control defensively.
He will learn and improve no doubt about it, but again I'm talking as of right now.

Jon1798 · Post #518 » by **Jon1798** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:31 pm

Boogie,

You have obviously seen a good deal of Davis. It's true, he's been sort of a liability on defense at times. And truly not at all because of his strength. Guys that try to just back him down still have to deal with his length and quickness. That's not really where he is getting hurt. But over helping, losing his man, getting too far away from the basket, going for pump fakes, he definitely has a way of looking lost at times.

I think that's a good thing. I feel most of it is just him being a rookie and his head still swimming. Rivers has REALLY settled down, and I think Davis is having to almost re-start with the injury keeping him out. I also feel like he's had some conditioning issues since he's been back. Seems like some of it has just been lazy. Lazy closeouts, lazy boxouts. Probably part of the reason he played 42 minutes last night in a not so close game. I am sure Monty is running him a litle extra after working him in slow.

Just by being on the court, he still alters shots and causes issues for teams. But he is capable of making a much much better overall impact on the defensive side, there is no question.

boogie-reke · Post #519 » by **boogie-reke** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:42 pm

Oh absolutely I agree, I mean the potential is immense defensively for him, and he still shows flashes of it.

As I said I was speaking as of right now, just my personal disappointment is cause of the individual and the expectations I had of him right off the bat - I expected the lack of strength, being bullied in the post or trying to boxout/defensive rebounds (which he clearly worked on in the summer and is the thing i'd say he most improved on from collage) - but didn't expect him to be so 'green' defensively in those others areas mentioned, where it was his strength in collage, and expect a higher BBall IQ on the defensive side which he didn't show I thought.

But that's something I expect him to figure out by the end of this year even and just slowly grow into - surely with a guy like Monty on his back. Just getting used to and understanding the defensive schemes, understanding the angles, knowing his limitations and what he can get away with and what not etc etc.

Only a matter of time for him, but so far a disappointment for me nonetheless defensively.

saham · Post #520 » by **saham** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:50 pm

Goldtop wrote:Monroe took Valanciunas to school last night. 35/10/2/2 and 14-22 FG on the rookie.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxlOrjPH-w[/youtube]

Monroe played like a possessed man vs the Raptors. He was a step quicker than Jonas. Infact, he played well against Amir and Ed too. Jonas scored 12 pts on 5/6 shooting and had 5 rebounds (2 OFF) in 26 minutes. If you watched the Raptors lately, you would know that the offense doesn't run through the bigs beside a few times.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep52VcyNyII[/youtube]