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Post#21 » by LApwnd » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:40 pm

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LApwnd wrote:I feel like Anderson is the better fit for how Pringles wants to use a PF, look at his comments about Pau expanding his game to corner 3's? Thats ridiculous, we can hate his approach to the game but he's the coach and he's gona do things his way and if we want to maximize his strategy we have to move Pau, simple as that. Unfortunately I do not think we can get Anderson directly but if Minn was interested IMO they might have assests that Hornets might be interested in.


The Twolves got assets that the Pelicans or Hornets might want? Tell me who? I can't think of any Twolves' players not named RICKY RUBIO and Kevin LOVE that they want for Anderson.

I think if we'll give Jordan Hill and Pau Gasol straight to the Hornets for Ryan Anderson, I just think they'll agree in terms of talent bec. of Jordan Hill but moneywise then I'M DREAMING!!


Dwill/Pek/Picks....try not looking at the obvious choice sometime. Hornents are a rebuilding team they could use cheaper talents and picks for the future.
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Post#22 » by Compton310 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:43 pm

what makes a good stretch 4 to me. if he get ran off the 3point line can he put the ball on the floor an get inside the paint either for a mid game jumper are attack the rim.. an i watch enuff basketball to know he's a good fit. example look at meeks when he gets ran off the 3point line an try to attack the rim he sucks. but if he develop that Glock floater are a mid game jumper he'll be cool.
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Post#23 » by thegamefritz » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:08 pm

LApwnd wrote:
thegamefritz wrote:
LApwnd wrote:I feel like Anderson is the better fit for how Pringles wants to use a PF, look at his comments about Pau expanding his game to corner 3's? Thats ridiculous, we can hate his approach to the game but he's the coach and he's gona do things his way and if we want to maximize his strategy we have to move Pau, simple as that. Unfortunately I do not think we can get Anderson directly but if Minn was interested IMO they might have assests that Hornets might be interested in.


The Twolves got assets that the Pelicans or Hornets might want? Tell me who? I can't think of any Twolves' players not named RICKY RUBIO and Kevin LOVE that they want for Anderson.

I think if we'll give Jordan Hill and Pau Gasol straight to the Hornets for Ryan Anderson, I just think they'll agree in terms of talent bec. of Jordan Hill but moneywise then I'M DREAMING!!


Dwill/Pek/Picks....try not looking at the obvious choice sometime. Hornents are a rebuilding team they could use cheaper talents and picks for the future.


I wish they'll agree with that.. even if we include Jordan Hill with Pau the Hill will go to Hornets and may be we can get a Lopez or a Jason Smith also then IT'LL BE A DREAM COME TRUE!!!
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Post#24 » by scoobs07 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:23 am

Derrick Williams is a stretch 4. Lakers could try and get him from Minisota, perhaps in a deal for Gasol? The Lakers would have to get other assets back though, because Gasol is a guaranteed minimum 15ppg, 9rpg, 4apg and 1.5bpg. Williams is young and has shown flashes that he could be a exciting Shawn Marion type 4 in the right offense. He is currently averaging 17ppg and 10rpg per 36minutes.
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Post#25 » by john248 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:27 am

All I would ask from a stretch 4 would be rebounding, rotating on defense, no turnovers, and shooting. I don't even care if he could dribble well or not, drive the lane, or have any post game at this point. Ideally, D'Antoni just takes his head out of his ass and adjusts to the type of talent he has on the team. He can still do the SSOL off of quick in bounds and attempted fast breaks and still do a ton of PNR with Dwight or Pau. But he has to at least let the offense have frequent post and repost with Dwight and Pau and having both bigs play off each other like Zbo and Marc Gasol in Memphis. He doesn't have to have it just ONE way like he tried in NY. Stupid to make Carmelo as a spot up shooter just as it is to stick Pau in the corner.
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Post#26 » by walah123 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:02 am

Jonas jerebko might be available. 6'10 235 lb forward can shoot threes.
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Post#27 » by VIPER8382 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:45 pm

I don't know where the idea came from that Bargnani is a one dimensional player, but he simply isn't. He is a 0 dimensional player, to be one dimensional you must be at least well above average in a single facet of the game, and he just isn't. Somewhere along the line it has been accepted that he is a sharp shooter, but he is just a volume shooter. He has shot over 40% from 3 point exactly once in his career (41% way back in 08-09), and outside of that has never exceeded 37.3%. He is at 36.2% for his career, and has shot 34.5%, 29.6%, 31.6% over the last 3 seasons (basically Mullens with half the rebounding for 4 times the money). He does nothing else well on the court, which frankly means that he does nothing well on the court, as I don't consider him to be anything more than an average shooter. Then add in his amazing lack of rebounding and his defense, and I hope that you can begin to see why the Lakers should never consider trading Gasol for him.
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Post#28 » by Mirjalovic » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:15 pm

If Ersan plays like last season, he is our best bet, if not him, its Love, but its impossible to get him, and please no Bargnani, that guy just useless & can't accept/learns from critics.
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Post#29 » by Jimbacosystem » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:26 pm

why wouldn't the lakers look at something like

derrick williams / Kirilenko / filler for Pau?
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Post#30 » by dockingsched » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:37 pm

VIPER8382 wrote:I don't know where the idea came from that Bargnani is a one dimensional player, but he simply isn't. He is a 0 dimensional player, to be one dimensional you must be at least well above average in a single facet of the game, and he just isn't. Somewhere along the line it has been accepted that he is a sharp shooter, but he is just a volume shooter. He has shot over 40% from 3 point exactly once in his career (41% way back in 08-09), and outside of that has never exceeded 37.3%. He is at 36.2% for his career, and has shot 34.5%, 29.6%, 31.6% over the last 3 seasons (basically Mullens with half the rebounding for 4 times the money). He does nothing else well on the court, which frankly means that he does nothing well on the court, as I don't consider him to be anything more than an average shooter. Then add in his amazing lack of rebounding and his defense, and I hope that you can begin to see why the Lakers should never consider trading Gasol for him.


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honestly, what does barg do that troy murphy doesn't do better?
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Post#31 » by VIPER8382 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:33 pm

Sadly all I am coming up with are advantages for Murphy, and I am not joking. Yet some Lakers fans want this guy, please look at the stats, he is a well below average player with exception of long range shooting where sadly he is only average at best.

Also Chris Bosh is the best stretch 4 in the game. Dirk used to be, but Bosh has taken over, of course he is now a stretch 5, but we all know that his true position is 4. He may not be as good at 3's, but he hits a lot of long and mid range 2's, and has a truly complete game.
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Post#32 » by thegamefritz » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:42 pm

VIPER8382 wrote:Sadly all I am coming up with are advantages for Murphy, and I am not joking. Yet some Lakers fans want this guy, please look at the stats, he is a well below average player with exception of long range shooting where sadly he is only average at best.

Also Chris Bosh is the best stretch 4 in the game. Dirk used to be, but Bosh has taken over, of course he is now a stretch 5, but we all know that his true position is 4. He may not be as good at 3's, but he hits a lot of long and mid range 2's, and has a truly complete game.


The only stretch about BOSH is his NECK!! he ain't a stretch PF or C! he can shot J's but 3's?? I DOUBT!!
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Post#33 » by VIPER8382 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:58 pm

He shoots 3's almost as well as Bargs, but who says a stretch 4 has to make 3's. Bosh can destroy a defense from 15-20 feet, and when your PF is doing that he is stretching the defense. I would even argue that Ibaka is a stretch 4, as his mid range game is amazing, but he won't be hitting many 3's (although he is even starting to shoot 3's this season). Bosh does average almost a 3 attempted per game, but only hits them at a modest 29% for his career.
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Post#34 » by Levity » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:28 pm

The morris twins are both good stretch fours. Channing Frye is a good one as well, but he wont be playing this sesason
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Post#35 » by thegamefritz » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:05 pm

so all who can shoot the J's are now stretch? Aldridge? Duncan? David Lee? Landry? Patterson? if they are only up to mid range most of the time then they ain't stretch, they're only extended Forwards not stretch.
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Post#36 » by Sundov » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:44 am

You Lakers fans are forgetting the perfect stretch 4 for D'atoni's system:

Andrei Kirilenko.
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Post#37 » by Jimbacosystem » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:09 am

Sundov wrote:You Lakers fans are forgetting the perfect stretch 4 for D'atoni's system:

Andrei Kirilenko.


already recommended him on the last page... but he really isn't a 4
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Post#38 » by thegamefritz » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:17 pm

Sundov wrote:You Lakers fans are forgetting the perfect stretch 4 for D'atoni's system:

Andrei Kirilenko.

:rock: :rock: AGREE but again he isn't a 4 but if we can still have jordan hill then we have a legit 4 on the bench that if D'antoni will use him..

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