Higher Trade Value: Deron or Dragic

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Superstars win championships. Deron will turn it around once the nets get a real offense. Deron size and quickness makes him a match up problem playoff time. From an owner machine Deron is a much bigger cash cow than Dragic.

Deron Williams is no superstar.

Goran Dragic is bigger and quicker than Deron.

Deron Williams being a cash cow is a joke. He is nowhere near the status of someone like Lebron but makes more money. At 20M$+ a season Deron Williams is no cash cow at all.
He is just an allstar and hasn't played up to that level in years.

I vote Williams by a good margin.

He's proven he can play at a star level. And he's a big name. 20 something odd game is still a small sample size all things considered.

The last time he showed that was almost 3 years ago and it is not 20 something odd games. It's more like 60 dating back from last season that Dragic has outperformed Williams.

Deron has at least 20 pounds on Dragic. Dragic may be faster but Deron has just as quick first step and change of direction all on top of his crossover.

What fact is there that he isn't a cash cow? Brooklyn essentially traded for him with the idea that he would lead them PR wise in Brooklyn. Has to say something.

[Lord_Zedd]

I say Deron Williams

Has Deron Williams fallen this much? Wasn't long ago he was considered a top 5 PG.

Every time he plays the Raptors he has those typical all star numbers. Then again, anyone can do that against the Raptors.

[winter_mute_13]

As a fan of neither the Nets nor the Suns, I'd say Deron would be easily more valuable for my team (Pacers). As someone mentioned earlier, teams with no superstars are going to value Deron a lot more, even if he isn't exactly playing at a superstar level at the moment. Dragic is a very good player on a nice contract, but is he really better than a dozen other starting PGs in the league? He runs the risk of becoming "just another guy" if he moves to a good team.

To take the Pacers as an example, in a vacuum an argument can be made as to why Dragic is superior to George Hill, but as it is I probably wouldn't do a 1-to-1 swap of Dragic for Hill - just too lateral of a move to be worth doing. But I'd certainly entertain thoughts of Granger and Hill for Deron, and that's despite me being a big Hill fan. I suspect most GMs would do likewise, taking a chance on Deron recovering his superstar mojo even if they have to give up lesser pieces.

[TruthTelling]

To take the Pacers as an example, in a vacuum an argument can be made as to why Dragic is superior to George Hill, but as it is I probably wouldn't do a 1-to-1 swap of Dragic for Hill - just too lateral of a move to be worth doing. But I'd certainly entertain thoughts of Granger and Hill for Deron, and that's despite me being a big Hill fan. I suspect most GMs would do likewise, taking a chance on Deron recovering his superstar mojo even if they have to give up lesser pieces.

That proves that you simply have no idea how good Dragic is.

George Hill puts up 15/5/4/1 41% per36 and it's pretty much his best season.

Dragic puts up 16/7/3/2 46% per36 and 20PER.

[Trader_Joe]

To take the Pacers as an example, in a vacuum an argument can be made as to why Dragic is superior to George Hill, but as it is I probably wouldn't do a 1-to-1 swap of Dragic for Hill - just too lateral of a move to be worth doing. But I'd certainly entertain thoughts of Granger and Hill for Deron, and that's despite me being a big Hill fan. I suspect most GMs would do likewise, taking a chance on Deron recovering his superstar mojo even if they have to give up lesser pieces.

That proves that you simply have no idea how good Dragic is.

George Hill puts up 15/5/4/1 41% per36 and it's pretty much his best season.

Dragic puts up 16/7/3/2 46% per36 and 20PER.

Perhaps you have no idea how good Hill is?

[Sun Scorched]

Hill is a great young player - have been following him since San An. Similar contract, but for a year longer. Similar stats, meaning nice production for the price. Good things all around.

Both have different styles. Subjectively, I feel that Dragic is more dynamic, Ginobili-esque in the development of his guard skills. Hill seems more reserved, more Kidd-esque.

It will be interesting to see, out of the crop of young guards, who we are still talking about in 5 years.

Dragic / Hill / Lowry / Lin / Walker / Lillard / Rubio / Holiday / Jennings

There is definately some exciting young talent6 at guard.

[Trader_Joe]

Hill is a great young player - have been following him since San An. Similar contract, but for a year longer. Similar stats, meaning nice production for the price. Good things all around.

Both have different styles. Subjectively, I feel that Dragic is more dynamic, Ginobili-esque in the development of his guard skills. Hill seems more reserved, more Kidd-esque.

It will be interesting to see, out of the crop of young guards, who we are still talking about in 5 years.

Dragic / Hill / Lowry / Lin / Walker / Lillard / Rubio / Holiday / Jennings

There is definately some exciting young talent6 at guard.

PG is amazingly deep.

That's partly why it's hard to gauge Dragic's value.. some may have him closer to top 10 (slightly above average) while others closer to #20 (slightly below average for a starter)

Paul
Rondo
RW
Parker
Curry
Rose
Irving
D.Will
Nash
Rubio
Jennings
Holiday
Dragic
Lillard
Lin
Lowry
Wall
Conley
Lawson
Vasquez
Teague
Hill
Mo Williams
J.Nelson
Calderon
Felton
K.Walker
Bledsoe
Kidd

29 PG that are all "good" .. as in some are all stars, some were all-stars, some will be all stars... but all are, have been or will be considered above average starting PGs for the most part.

[TruthTelling]

That's , sorry, incredibly stupid.

I know full well who George Hill is, he is a good player but Dragic is on a borderline allstar level which is considerably better than Hill and proven by statistics.

Dragic may never be an allstar, but he will be borderline for many years to come.

Give me a list of starting PGs that put up better than 20PER, you won't find many of those and even less on a bargain contract like Dragic.

[Trader_Joe]

That's , sorry, incredibly stupid.

I know full well who George Hill is, he is a good player but Dragic is on a borderline allstar level which is considerably better than Hill and proven by statistics.

Dragic may never be an allstar, but he will be borderline for many years to come.

Give me a list of starting PGs that put up better than 20PER, you won't find many of those and even less on a bargain contract like Dragic.

I've never seen anyone cite PER as much as you do.

And I don't know why you are allowed to question someone else's familiarity with a player, yet you don't think your familiarity can be called into question. You've really seen Deron and Hill that much this season where you can make such definitive statements about them?

[TruthTelling]

I can say for sure that a player averaging 15/5/4/1 41% 15PER is not as good as a player averaging 16/7/3/2 46% 20PER.

i would not even have to watch to know this

[Texas Chuck]

Id take Dragic over Hill but TT is ignoring defense and leadership--2 areas where Hill has a sizable edge. Plus significant PS experience.

Look TT isnt the only guy who is completely sold on the guy with his city on the front of the jersey. People need to just understand where he's coming from and take his views on Dragic and give them the 40% hometown discount.

[FNQ]

I can say for sure that a player averaging 15/5/4/1 41% 15PER is not as good as a player averaging 16/7/3/2 46% 20PER.

i would not even have to watch to know this

So defense means absolutely nothing to you? Intangibles?

There's not a single stat or even a group of them where you can say anything for sure. Nothing. Not a single one. This game has too many intangibles to deal with for that to ever be factual.

I like Dragic a lot too, btw. Felt he was criminally underrated going into this offseason. Glad he's getting props, but he's not near Deron in value right now. You can cite whatever you want, but you put those 2 on the block and Deron fetches more in a trade, and its not close. Impact-wise? We're getting a lot closer now. But as anyone will tell you, the gap from average to good is much easier to close than from good to great. I, and I think the majority, see Deron as great. I'd hope the majority sees Dragic as good. But the trade value gap in between that isn't small.

[gaspar]

12 months later, who has a higher trade value?