Trade Targets

[NyCeEvO]

But they're not giving up Sanders just to dump illy and Gooden contracts.

He's one of the better talent per dollar contracts in the league right now. He's worth a late lotto pick.

Yes they'd be clearing cap space with Hump but there are many other teams who could want Ily and would trade a shorter term bad contract without giving up Sanders.

While that deal might seem fair in our eyes, the Bucks can do better with other teams w/o trading away Sanders.

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[vincecarter4pres]

Sanders worth a late lotto pick?? More like a high lotto pick... He was the 15th pick... Which is the first pick outside the lotto and is finally showing and proving.

Trade value wise if we're simply equating him to a pick I'd say anywhere in the 4 to 10 range quite easily.

I don't see the Bucks using him to dump contracts or trading him for anything short of a star with at least 2 and a half seasons of contract left who would legitimately like to stay in Milwaukee once getting shipped there.

[NyCeEvO]

Sanders worth a late lotto pick?? More like a high lotto pick... He was the 15th pick... Which is the first pick outside the lotto and is finally showing and proving.

Trade value wise if we're simply equating him to a pick I'd say anywhere in the 4 to 10 range quite easily.

I don't see the Bucks using him to dump contracts or trading him for anything short of a star with at least 2 and a half seasons of contract left who would legitimately like to stay in Milwaukee once getting shipped there.

Yeah, I didn't know he was the 15th pick.

But you and I share the same sentiment.

He's not getting packaged in a deal just to clear salary cap. He's playing too good and has too low of a contract to be sent away like that.

Tbh, I think he's the player that's least likely to be traded on that team.

[REGG-G-UNIT]

I've always advocated trading for highly drafted players after they've had a sub-par rookie or sophomore year... So with that in mind I am going to keep throwing out these two players :

Jan Vesely:
22-year old super-athlete who has yet to live up to his draft billing but could benefit greatly from playing alongside a playmaker like Deron Williams. Good upside, but has fallen out of the rotation (again) in Washington.


Derrick Williams:
The gap between what the Timberwolves will get / are asking for him now compared to what they would have gotten to him on draft day is enormous. Any one of us would have killed to add him to the Nets prior to last year's draft, Williams has performed poorly to date, but his struggles aren't entirely his fault, he greatly suffers from not having a defined roll or any real backers in Minnesota... The Nets need a pick-and-roll / pop PF and not only does Williams know how to run the pick-and-roll / pop but he'd also add a significant (much needed) dose of athleticism to the team's front court...

One man's trash is another man's treasure... If you're going to gamble on these types of players you need to do it while they're still on their rookie contracts not when they hit free agency (a la the Suns when they inked Beasley and Wes Johnson this past summer).

[vincecarter4pres]

Want no part in Vescrubby, Derrick Williams remains an interesting idea though.

[REGG-G-UNIT]

Want no part in Vescrubby, Derrick Williams remains an interesting idea though.

How about now?

[vincecarter4pres]

OK, let's trade for him!

[vincecarter4pres]

DeMarcus Cousins. I brought him up earlier a number of times and said if there was a guy out of nowhere we could get cheap and wind up being the talent that brought us over the top, there's a good chance it's him.

Is he the very definition of buy low? A guy with very real, very literal, very legit superstar top 3 player in the league potential who might be had as cheap as a 1st, MarShon and Tele?

Or is he such a headcase, so dysfunctional and with such a bad attitude he'll fully destroy us from within at worst and at best never get it and we let him walk after next season while wasting most of our remaining trade assets and killing a season and a half?

[DarkXaero]

DeMarcus Cousins. I brought him up earlier a number of times and said if there was a guy out of nowhere we could get cheap and wind up being the talent that brought us over the top, there's a good chance it's him.

Is he the very definition of buy low? A guy with very real, very literal, very legit superstar top 3 player in the league potential who might be had as cheap as a 1st, MarShon and Tele?

Or is he such a headcase, so dysfunctional and with such a bad attitude he'll fully destroy us from within at worst and at best never get it and we let him walk after next season while wasting most of our remaining trade assets and killing a season and a half?

If Cousins is indeed on the trade market, I still see him going for a lot. I don't think its realistic at all to offer a 1st (or two 1sts), Marshon, and Tele for him. If it were possible though, I would absolutely take him despite him being such a big headcase. Too much talent there and truthfully, the Kings are a horrible organization.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, while I don't see everyone chomping at the bit to acquire him, I do think that there would be several teams who would pony up some serious offers that would easily beat out two 1sts, Brooks, and Tele.

This league is full of teams who have acquired players thinking that the last 2-3 teams said player was on didn't get it right and they'll be the team to finally turn him around. And because of that I think several teams would take risk on Cousins.

EDIT: Just saw that he was suspended indefinitely.

The problem with any deal with them is that they don't have bad, long term contracts that we can take on.

I could only see him coming to BK on a three-team trade.

And as I'm typing this, I realize that there wouldn't be enough touches on offense for him to stay happy.

You'd have to trade Brook to some other place because there is no way Cousins would be happy with us just posting up Lopez time and time again and he not get any touches.

[AntwanBoldin]

Humphries and brooks and a 1st for cousins and salmons

[NyCeEvO]

Humphries and brooks and a 1st for cousins and salmons

Salmons has a smaller contract and has TO for 2013-14, so there's no advantage for them to acquire Hump.

The deal would essentially come down to MarShon and 1sts for Cousins and I'm sure other teams would offer something better than that kind of deal.

[AntwanBoldin]

Their contracts aren't that bad. There's like 5 troublesome ones, but not any one they must lose

I don't know how they feel about Thompson at 5 years and not a huge number. I'm assuming Thornton is playing like **** but I like his skill set


Cousins and Thornton for asik

[NyCeEvO]

What do you guys think of something like this come Jan.15th:

BKN sends Lopez, Brooks, Hump, Tele
BKN receives K-Love, Aaron Gray, Fredette

Why: BK gets a more mobile offensive threat and rebounder. D-Will ecstatic over PnR/PnP with Love. Gets pure shooter in Fredette to bolster bench scoring.

SAC sends Cousins, Isaiah Thomas, Fredette
SAC receives Calderon, valanciunas, D-Will

Why: The take a low risk, high reward chance on D-Will. Replace Cousins with high lotto big in Valanciunas (Maybe not be as talented as Cousins, but is def not the headcase and still has good upside), and they get a legitimate starting PG.

MIN sends Love, D-Will,
MIN receives Lopez, Brooks, Tele

Why: Resolves what will almost inevitable become a problem with retaining K-Love by getting Brook and pairing him with Pek in the frontcourt, replace Roy with MarShon and give him a chance to be a legit SG. Even though most Nets fans don't want him, many other teams still view him as a high prospect.

TOR sends Calderon, Valanciunas, Gray
TOR receives Isaiah Thomas, Cousins, Hump

Why: TOR is desperate to become relevant, especially after Colangelo traded away their draft pick. Getting Cousins is a big move, which could blow up in the end or put TOR on the map. Get Isaiah Thomas on a very good deal to be starting PG. Hump is a salary filler but he also becomes a big expiring next year.

It's big and complicated but I think it solves a lot of problems for everyone.

[DarkXaero]

Why does Sacramento do that deal? I think Marshon, Tele, and two 1sts is actually a better return for Cousins than that Raptors deal for them. Raptors get a great return for just giving up Calderon, because Bargnani is a bad contract.

[NyCeEvO]

Why does Sacramento do that deal? I think Marshon, Tele, and two 1sts is actually a better return for Cousins than that Raptors deal for them. Raptors get a great return for just giving up Calderon, because Bargnani is a bad contract.

1) I think D-Will still rates as a much higher prospect than MarShon.

2) They can't decide on who's going to be their starting PG. Calderon comes in as an expiring and would clearly be the best PG for them on the team.

Maybe Bargs can be routed someplace else, but I don't think too many teams would take him in a 1-on-1 deal.

[DarkXaero]

Why does Sacramento do that deal? I think Marshon, Tele, and two 1sts is actually a better return for Cousins than that Raptors deal for them. Raptors get a great return for just giving up Calderon, because Bargnani is a bad contract.

1) I think D-Will still rates as a much higher prospect than MarShon.

2) They can't decide on who's going to be their starting PG. Calderon comes in as an expiring and would clearly be the best PG for them on the team.

Maybe Bargs can be routed someplace else, but I don't think too many teams would take him in a 1-on-1 deal.

D-Will rates as a higher prospect than Marshon (even though Marshon has done more in the NBA), but taking on Bargnani's contract negates that. Bargnani is a pretty bad contract, not to mention he is a player who can be successful in very few situations (basically next to a rebounding, defensive minded big). Thomas Robinson has yet to do anything in the NBA so there's not much to say whether he can fill that role or not.

If they're getting Calderon for his ability (which they would be in this case, since they dont need cap relief), it's pretty pointless since he'll be a free agent this summer, and might very well leave them (if a trade like that happens).

[NyCeEvO]

1) Replace Bargs with Val in the deal.

2) Obviously, they'd have to ask whether Calderon wants an extension. Most players just want to play and get paid, especially if they're not stars.

If SAC puts out money for extension, I don't see Calderon turning that down.

[vincecarter4pres]

Hmm... the revised deal is really interesting.

There's got to be a way to keep Hump though right? Need to keep a big contract to trade for a center to put next to Love, Gray is certainly not the answer. Also, I'd say let Sacto keep Jimmer. No need for them to add assets, no matter how meh.

True story, I still prefer Aldridge. Better player to me. Also has things you can't teach like much more legit height, length, athleticism and a better attitude.

[AntwanBoldin]

Kevin love is the deron Williams of pf's
Horrific shooting, no defense, bad attitude, enitled fake superstars