The Trade Thread

Post #321 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:09 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
BigSlam wrote:I think that Kemba and MKG would be good for Cousins.

Not sure that Dunlap, Hendo and Biz would be though?

I think Bismack would be good for Cousins due to his work ethic and dedication.

I could see them throwing down at practice after some low post push and shove because both are proud guys.

Having those guys barking at him, challenging him, and demanding the best from him

I think all of those things would p*ss Cousins off.

James Gatz · Post #322 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:09 pm

salmons (3y/24)
cousins (2y/7)

for

henderson (1/3)
diop (1/7)
detroit 1st
portland 1st

I love that deal but I don't see the Kings doing it. Cousins, despite his problems, is still one of the more talented players in the league. If he gets his stuff together he'd be a perennial all-star.

SWedd523 · Post #323 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:14 pm

BigSlam wrote:I could see them throwing down at practice after some low post push and shove because both are proud guys.

I bet it'd be humbling after Bismack beats his ass down with that african muscle.

I think all of those things would p*ss Cousins off.

By all intents and purposes, Tyrus is a headcase on similar levels right? LB, Crash, and Jack getting on him kept him in line and got the best out of him. I bet it'd work on Cousins (albeit with different personnel). Also, keep in mind MKG and Cousins are Kentucky boys so he'd have that connection PLUS Calipari after him to make sure things are right.

For the record, yes I'm trying to talk myself into that trade.

thesneakysneak · Post #324 » by **thesneakysneak** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:18 pm

I think the kings are more likely on the verge of trading away all their boneheaded players for some picks and more professional workers. They are the new wizards. Evans and cousins SHOULD be traded away from that environment.

Post #325 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:27 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Also, keep in mind MKG and Cousins are Kentucky boys so he'd have that connection PLUS Calipari after him to make sure things are right.

I did actually consider that - and thought it would have been better if they played on the same team - a team that won it all.

For the record, yes I'm trying to talk myself into that trade.

Me too. Like I said, I love the idea of Cousins on the team (you know how high was on him going into the draft) but he just scares the snot out of me and I wouldn't want to give up too much for him.

I'd do the trade minus one of the picks.

And I would replace Cousins in the trade with Kanter in a nano second.

Post #326 » by **Diop** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:04 am

Cousins really does scare me and I really don't know how he would fit in this team.

He apparently yells at team mates for not passing him the ball, constantly complaining and being a distraction.
He's arrogant and has not worked on his game since arriving but just relies upon his talent.

I could see him strangling Kemba for not passing it to him, taking a swing at Dunlap for telling him to work harder and giving Mullens flashbacks of playing in prison. (Hopefully Mullens might become to scared to shoot it)
He reminds me a lot of Derrick Coleman.

But I have to admit, I would still like to see him on the team, he is just too talented to not want to give it a go.
The Kings are saying they don't want to trade him. Which makes sense, he is their franchise talent and they will get bugger all back for him. God knows how they fix it though, they've already changed coach once.

raleigh · Post #327 » by **raleigh** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:35 am

Jason Thompson is the player the Cats need to go after. Doubt he'd be available, but no one else on that roster really makes sense for a miles-away-from-contending team like Charlotte.

Elden Payton · Post #328 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:00 am

Hell no to Cousins imo, we don't need that kind of disruption on our team and it would be nice to have him as a part of our core but we would definitely have to include Biyombo or Kemba in the deal and I wouldn't do that in a million years.

Anyway I've been thinking of some (hopefully) realistic trades for Hendo and Sessions + fillers.

Charlotte trades: Gerald Henderson, Byron Mullens and Desagana Diop

Philadelphia trades: Dorell Wright, Spencer Hawes and Arnett Moultrie

Why?

Hendo is from Philly and this would actually be a destination I'm sure he would be happy with, I'm also convinced they would be confident of resigning him also.

Spencer Hawes is underrated imo and averaged 9.6/7.3/2.6(assists)/1.3(blocks) last season in 25mpg, despite his limitations defensively would be a good option for us with his good range, good hands and slick passing from the high and low post, despite this Philly would still trade him imo to free up capspace for this summer (the Bynum situation) they will walk on Bynum and hit the FA market hard imo.

Dorell Wright is averaging 8 points on 35 percent and earning 4m per...despite this he would be good for us imo and we need a legit backup SF who can shoot...which Wright can (despite the 35%)

Moultrie is playing 5mpg and averaging 1/1 on 31 percent, I believe he can be a more than serviceable NBA big.

This trade gives Philly flexibility and us a little help we need, switch Wright with Richardson if Philly would be interested in dumping that deal.

Charlotte trade: Ramon Sessions and Reggie Williams.

Dallas trade: Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder and Rodrigue Beaubois.

Why?

I like Sessions but he isn't as good as we made him out to be when he had a hot start to the season and his statline suggests, Dallas doesn't have a starting calibre point though and I think we would get good value off them for him.

I really like Brandan Wright as a player and he has turned out to be a very serviceable roleplayer for a big in the NBA averaging 8/3/1 in 17mpg, he was particularly impressive when Kaman was out to start the season but since Kaman has come back his minutes have steadily declined and so has his production, Dirk is still to come back leaving him expendable.

Beaubois is down to 11mpg in Dallas and despite them not having a single healthy PG on the roster he still can't get minutes, he is very expendable.

Dallas is extremely high on Crowder and it is easy to see why, for a second round pick he doesn't have too many holes in his game and looks like a 12 year pro with his hustle, defense and shooting potential, there were plenty of questions about his size and shooting and he has shown the handle to play the two and three but his shooting has dipped from the start of the season to now 36 percent with 28 percetn from three.

Crowder may be a sticking point but Dallas isn't stupid enough to let a second round pick stop them from getting a starting PG.

What do you guys think? Tank swag, our backup PG sucks as well as our SG position (for now) but this team has a lot of heart, hustle and defense.

Kemba/Beaubois/Gordon
Gordon/Taylor/Crowder
Gilchrist/D.Wright/Crowder
Hawes/B.Wright/Tyrus
Biyombo/Haywood/Hawes

12 man rotation.

Liver_Pooty · Post #329 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:52 am

Cousins.

Fred Williamson · Post #330 » by **Fred Williamson** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:34 am

yes to Cousins. I'd take the gamble. I'm sure he wouldn't start anything here with MJ around. and if he did, get rid of him at the end of the season

Post #331 » by **Diop** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:41 am

Fred Williamson wrote:yes to Cousins. I'd take the gamble. I'm sure he wouldn't start anything here with MJ around. and if he did, get rid of him at the end of the season

I guess the real question is how much would you be willing to spend to get him?

Fred Williamson · Post #332 » by **Fred Williamson** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:27 am

Sachmo wrote:
Fred Williamson wrote:yes to Cousins. I'd take the gamble. I'm sure he wouldn't start anything here with MJ around. and if he did, get rid of him at the end of the season

I guess the real question is how much would you be willing to spend to get him?

I'd give them anything they want except MKG, Kemba, our own pick and probably Biz. That said, we don't have anything else of value so I guess this trade scenario is unrealistic

countryboi · Post #333 » by **countryboi** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:06 pm

I would love cousins but I am not giving the kings more that one pick and cap relief. Cousins is a cancer they know it we know it we have no reason to buy high...once again this is old bobcat stuff. You guys talk about being patience and then sell the farm for every talented head case that comes along.

KembaWalker · Post #334 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:43 pm

i feel like we almost have to make a move before wednesday. biz/haywood/warrick/adrien just isnt enough

HornetJail · Post #335 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:38 pm

countryboi wrote:I would love cousins but I am not giving the kings more that one pick and cap relief. Cousins is a cancer they know it we know it we have no reason to buy high...once again this is old bobcat stuff. You guys talk about being patience and then sell the farm for every talented head case that comes along.

Everyone but MKG, Kemba, and Biz should be on the block for him. I have no problem giving up a ton for the next great center. If DMC gets his **** together at any point in the next few years, he'll be the best center in the NBA when Howard gets older.

JT2006 · Post #336 » by **JT2006** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:52 pm

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
countryboi wrote:I would love cousins but I am not giving the kings more that one pick and cap relief. Cousins is a cancer they know it we know it we have no reason to buy high...once again this is old bobcat stuff. You guys talk about being patience and then sell the farm for every talented head case that comes along.

Everyone but MKG, Kemba, and Biz should be on the block for him. I have no problem giving up a ton for the next great center. If DMC gets his **** together at any point in the next few years, he'll be the best center in the NBA when Howard gets older.

isn't cousins an RFA next year?

HornetJail · Post #337 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:26 am

2014 I think.

I watched quite a few Kings games last year (don't ask why, even I don't know why) but DMC is the real deal. If he can get his head screwed on straight, he's going to be a top notch center very soon. He's clashed with coaches a couple times and every time it happens, there's a crazy knee-jerk reaction on RealGM. It happened last year and everyone was saying "Trade him! Trade him, he's garbage!" Then you know what happened? Cousins averaged 18/11 and posted a 21.7 PER in 30 minutes a game.

Post #338 » by **Diop** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:06 am

I still don't think the Kings will trade him. He's going to have to act up even more to force his way out.

They can't get decent free agents and he is easily the best prospect they have.
They need to try and hold onto him.

ohara · Post #339 » by **ohara** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:49 pm

All I want for Christmas is DeMarcus Cousins in a Bobcat uniform. Come on Santa Cho! Make it happen!

Bassman · Post #340 » by **Bassman** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:52 pm

Put me in the camp wanting Cousins.Agreethat the Kings will not deal him for anything but a crazy good deal, but the 2 non-Cat picks and some players would be nothing to sneeze at. Still, they would be starting over and I just don't see them doing that.

Also feel Jason Thompson would be a great pickup for us.