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Tyreke Evans 

Post#1 » by Goldtop » Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:33 pm

I think the consensus before on Evans was he wouldn't be a good fit because of our shooting deficiency in the starting lineup. But that was back when Knight wasn't shooting at all. Now that he is and doing it at +40% behind the arc, we really don't have that problem anymore. The usual problem now is more the need for an athletic 2/3 who can be a go-to scorer. So could Evans be a good fit at SG now?

I think if we get a sharpshooter at SF, along with Knight, that would give us two outside shooters. We'd have two inside scorers with Monroe/Drummond to balance it out. And maybe a player like Evans, sort of a freelance, create your own shot guy, would be the ideal type as the 5th starter. Even if he's not a good 3 pt shooter, the need for a go-to scorer type might be more important in the long run.
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Post#2 » by vege » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:04 pm

Bigger Stuckey without any range and with attitude issues. Pass.
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Post#3 » by ComboGuardCity » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:04 pm

Evans is no different than Stuckey at this point.
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Post#4 » by Jodi » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:10 pm

Yeah, I think a Knight/Evans back-court would be nasty!..I wonder what we would have to give up to acquire him though...
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Post#5 » by Han Solo » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:23 pm

Evans for Villanueva

get er done..
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Post#6 » by Goldtop » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:57 pm

I get the Stuckey comparison, but to me he's a more talented version and younger, so he's still got time to reach his full potential yet.

I'd take a chance on him if we could get him w/o giving up our main 3 plus Singler. Maybe a package around Stuckey/Jerebko could get him. SAC would have to include another player to match, but talent for talent seems even.
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Post#7 » by joseph mamah » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:30 pm

im pretty sure hes a FA after this season so it wouldnt cost us any assets to get him, I dont want him though.
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Post#8 » by vege » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:50 pm

Goldtop wrote:I get the Stuckey comparison, but to me he's a more talented version and younger, so he's still got time to reach his full potential yet.


Better finisher around the rim? Yes, but MUCH worse shooter. And then you add the Ego/Attitude/Locker room issues and is he really a more talented version?

I think Sacramento would love to trade Evans + Garcia for Stuckey straight up. As much as I dislike Stuckey I wouldn't touch that.
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Post#9 » by Scout Taron » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:52 pm

Only if we can get him cheap in FA.

Otherwise, not worth it. Not a good work ethic.
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Post#10 » by theBigLip » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:08 am

I put this in the Cousins thread, I'll have to repeat it :-)

Stuckey and Drummond for Evans and Cousins

Yes, we get the crazies in this deal...
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Post#11 » by Collymore » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:19 am

The only player I want on the floor for the Pistons less than Evans is Beasley. Stay away!
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Post#12 » by Redeemed » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:28 pm

'reke is a bigger version of Stuck, well sort of. At one point his potential was through the roof. Jump the gun analysts were anointing him as a Lebron James type of player in his rookie season. Tyreke has crazy handle. The problem is his dribbling artistry is hindered by his carelessness with the ball and his suspect outside shot.

This dude is a better finisher than Stuckey.

Stuckey is a better passer.

Tyreke is a far more creative penetrator. He has the ability to completely lose his man off the dribble.

Stuckey rams into his man hoping to overpower the defender. Stuckey usually has the strength advantage over other pgs; whereas Tyreke has the strength advantage over most pgs, sgs, and sfs.

Tyreke could be a cheap offseason acquistion since he's looking to rebuild his career. He could benefit under the tutelage of a structured coach like Frank and his legion of player development coaches.

I'm not aware of attitude problems with Tyreke, other than a run in he had with Demarcus Cousins.
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Post#13 » by Jodi » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:03 pm

^I'm down to trade for/or sign Evans...I think a core of Knight, Evans, Monroe, and Drummond would be crazy...After that, all we would need is a defensive SF that can shot the ball...
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Post#14 » by Goldtop » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:31 pm

Redeemed wrote:'reke is a bigger version of Stuck, well sort of. At one point his potential was through the roof. Jump the gun analysts were anointing him as a Lebron James type of player in his rookie season. Tyreke has crazy handle. The problem is his dribbling artistry is hindered by his carelessness with the ball and his suspect outside shot.

This dude is a better finisher than Stuckey.

Stuckey is a better passer.

Tyreke is a far more creative penetrator. He has the ability to completely lose his man off the dribble.

Stuckey rams into his man hoping to overpower the defender. Stuckey usually has the strength advantage over other pgs; whereas Tyreke has the strength advantage over most pgs, sgs, and sfs.

Tyreke could be a cheap offseason acquistion since he's looking to rebuild his career. He could benefit under the tutelage of a structured coach like Frank and his legion of player development coaches.

I'm not aware of attitude problems with Tyreke, other than a run in he had with Demarcus Cousins.


Pretty much my thoughts too. Sure they have similar playing styles, but Evans is superior in so many areas. He's a better finisher, more creative penetrator, bigger, longer, more athletic, and younger. Stuckey may be slightly a better shooter, but in reality they are both poor shooters. No one trusts Stuckeys shooting any more just because he has a few more percentage points. Besides the reason you have either player is for their penetration, not shooting. That would be Evans role here. Basically the same role Stuckey has played, but better at finishing and more creative off the dribble.

I'm not aware of any attitude problems either. But its not lke Stuckey has never had his share of character issues here. Sure, he could be had in FA without giving up anything, but I doubt they are just going to let their 4th overall pick from a few years ago walk for nothing when he has trade value. I'd make an offer for him if I were Dumars. I really think he's one of those young talents who are just stuck in neutral with a bad franchise, and if you put in a stable environment he could still reach his full potential. We may not be winning any more than they are, but we have a great enviroment now for developing young players and whats sounds to be a great lockerroom. Whereas SAC sounds like a complete mess in that regard. Not to mention all the talk of moving the team can't be good for developing young players.
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Post#15 » by princeofpalace » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:36 pm

We have too many of these ball dominant super collider players, we need less of them. Trading Stuckey for Evans solves nothing. We need smart players, who don't need the ball in their hands to be effective and can shoot the ball.
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Post#16 » by Redeemed » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:43 pm

princeofpalace wrote:We have too many of these ball dominant super collider players, we need less of them. Trading Stuckey for Evans solves nothing. We need smart players, who don't need the ball in their hands to be effective and can shoot the ball.


I was envisioning waiting for the off season to pick Evans up as a cheap free agent, not through a trade. I do get your point. Evans is ball dominate, perhaps paired with Knight would can light it up from the outside and Singler who has a good shooting touch...they could catch lightening in a bottle. That assumption is only effective if Evans can play the role of facilitator instead of just scorer.

That being said, I think there's value in Tyreke Evans. He's another guy with tremendous upside which amounts to being nothing if he makes no steps towards making that potential actual. I think 'reke's superior physical gifts present him as having a higher ceiling than Stuckey.
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Re: Tyreke Evans 

Post#17 » by Goldtop » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:04 pm

princeofpalace wrote:We have too many of these ball dominant super collider players, we need less of them. Trading Stuckey for Evans solves nothing. We need smart players, who don't need the ball in their hands to be effective and can shoot the ball.


Other than Stuckey, what ball dominant players do we have?

Bynum and Maggette are the only other two I can think of, and neither will be on the roster next year. Stuckey might not be either, if they decide to not pay his full remaining year.

A guy who we can give the ball to and can manufacture pts during these offensive lulls we get into is actually something we sorely lack, I think. Evans is also a great playmaker for teammates and isn't a selfish ball-hog to my knowledge, like a Maggette/Bynum is.
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Re: Tyreke Evans 

Post#18 » by joseph mamah » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:32 pm

Evans is basically Maggette 2.0.

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