Is Mario Chalmers our future PG?

[RexBoyWonder]

Let's talk Rio. most of us love the kid, even if he tends to drive us crazy with his boneheaded plays. he showed he has big balls to show up in money time, and he's not afraid of the big stage. but i think we can also say his overall talent is questionable. He's shooting poorly and can't seem to stay in front of his man - those are the 2 most important things we NEED from our PG, yet Mario is struggling with both. after a good run in last year's playoffs, he again seems to be taking an unfortunate step backwards.

So do you think he's the guy that should play PG for us in the big 3 era, or should we look for upgrades?

For those who dont know, we have a team option on his contract for next year - it's 4 Mil$ if we pick it up.

[TheChosen618]

I think Norris Cole is better than Rio and could be the future PG for the Heat.

The reason why Chalmers is a good fit for this team is because he is a good spot-up shooter. Shooting is the only reason why Chalmers still starts and occasionally gets more playing time than Cole. He doesn't really provide anything else. He is a subpar defender, mediocre passer, and he has a face everybody wants to punch.

Chalmers would look good on any team where he isn't the primary ball-handler or PG because he is really like a worse version of Gary Neal.

[TheDon008]

Rio is perfect for this team.

We dont need a ball dominant PG because we are not built like your avg team. We just need him to start making his open 3's which he's proven to do before.

He was awesome in the finals, and I have confidence he'll get out of his slump.

[DWadeno3]

I think Norris Cole is better than Rio and could be the future PG for the Heat.

The reason why Chalmers is a good fit for this team is because he is a good spot-up shooter. Shooting is the only reason why Chalmers still starts and occasionally gets more playing time than Cole. He doesn't really provide anything else. He is a subpar defender, mediocre passer, and he has a face everybody wants to punch.

Chalmers would look good on any team where he isn't the primary ball-handler or PG because he is really like a worse version of Gary Neal.

You gotta love posters from other teams who don't even follow the Heat on a regular basis and believe they can contribute to a topic. Chalmers is certainly more than a spot-up shooter. When healthy, he's a solid defensive player and despite his struggles so far this year, he's a better jump shooter than Cole (70% of his shot attempts are jumpers and he has an eFG% of .403, while Norris' numbers are 69% and an eFG% .377), a better finisher around the rim (both attempt 29% of their shots from close distance, Rio's eFG% is at .595 while Cole's is at .448) and he has a much better assist-to-turnover ratio.
Cole has been the better defender this year, partially because Chalmers isn't fully healthy yet and partially because Cole's lateral quickness is much higher.

Don't get it twisted, I haven't been happy with Chalmers, but idiots who come in and just claim stuff while not even hiding their agenda (a face everybody wants to punch, what does that have to do with basketball? Are you gay or something that looks matter when evaluating a player's qualities?) piss me off.

Oh and to add to it, Chalmers can hardly be our primary ball-handler when his USG% his 15.9, which is lower than Allen's 18.8 and Cole's 16.7.

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edit: stupid comment.

[TheChosen618]

You gotta love posters from other teams who don't even follow the Heat on a regular basis and believe they can contribute to a topic.

I'm a Lebron fan (TheChosen6, get it?), so I do watch the Heat pretty frequently, maybe not as frequent as Heat fans, but I watch them. Cole is better to me then again I probably am biased because I like him a lot more.

Cole has been the better defender this year, partially because Chalmers isn't fully healthy yet and partially because Cole's lateral quickness is much higher.

Not sure why it matters why Cole is a better defender if he is. Chalmers is not a very good defender while Cole is. From what I've seen, Cole comes in and brings good defensive intensity.

Oh and to add to it, Chalmers can hardly be our primary ball-handler when his USG% his 15.9, which is lower than Allen's 18.8 and Cole's 16.7.

That is the point. Chalmers can't be a primary ball-handler. He is just a spot-up shooter, SG in a PG's body pretty much. A worse version of Gary Neal and George Hill. Good shooter, but not very good at any other aspect.

Cole is better to me. He is more athletic, smarter, better defender, etc. The only problem is that Cole is a worse shooter, and that is the only reason why he gets less playing time than Chalmers, and rightfully so. The Heat need shooters to surround Wade and Lebron. They can't afford to have a streaky shooter or an inconsistent one because the spacing would be horrible. Cole has more potential and is overall better than Chalmers as a player, but Chalmers is a better fit.

[SweetTouch]

PG position is the last thing to worry about with the heatles

The heat front office seems to go by that so I trust them

[DWadeno3]

You gotta love posters from other teams who don't even follow the Heat on a regular basis and believe they can contribute to a topic.

I'm a Lebron fan (TheChosen6, get it?), so I do watch the Heat pretty frequently, maybe not as frequent as Heat fans, but I watch them. Cole is better to me then again I probably am biased because I like him a lot more.

Cole has been the better defender this year, partially because Chalmers isn't fully healthy yet and partially because Cole's lateral quickness is much higher.

Not sure why it matters why Cole is a better defender if he is. Chalmers is not a very good defender while Cole is. From what I've seen, Cole comes in and brings good defensive intensity.

Oh and to add to it, Chalmers can hardly be our primary ball-handler when his USG% his 15.9, which is lower than Allen's 18.8 and Cole's 16.7.

That is the point. Chalmers can't be a primary ball-handler. He is just a spot-up shooter, SG in a PG's body pretty much. A worse version of Gary Neal and George Hill. Good shooter, but not very good at any other aspect.

Cole is better to me. He is more athletic, smarter, better defender, etc. The only problem is that Cole is a worse shooter, and that is the only reason why he gets less playing time than Chalmers, and rightfully so. The Heat need shooters to surround Wade and Lebron. They can't afford to have a streaky shooter or an inconsistent one because the spacing would be horrible. Cole has more potential and is overall better than Chalmers as a player, but Chalmers is a better fit.

It's odd to have James Harden in your avatar but then again you only support LeBron and not the Heat, because otherwise you wouldn't just attack one of our players by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

Anyways, way to nitpick in my post while completely ignoring the points where I've proven you wrong.

Regarding their defense, Cole has had stretches of good defense, but last year, Chalmers was solid at that end as well. My point is, injuries have kept Rio back this season and prevented him from being as quick defensively as he usually is. Norris is starting to come along on that end, but still commits rookie mistakes (at least he's learned how to close out for the most part).

And what makes you think Cole is smarter? His worse AST/TO ratio hardly does that, let alone his lower shooting percentage around the rim, which should be higher since he's more athletic than Chalmers, yet it's lower because he forces drives to the basket or forces shots in transition against two or three defenders. Chalmers has had a tendency to do so this year as well, but still not to the degree Cole does it.

Norris has more potential than Chalmers, but right now, he isn't a better overall player than Rio. This is just another overreaction to a stretch of games where Cole has played well and Chalmers hasn't.

[TheChosen618]

It's odd to have James Harden in your avatar but then again you only support LeBron and not the Heat, because otherwise you wouldn't just attack one of our players by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

A few weeks ago, I was saying Lebron needs more help and his supporting cast sucks, but since the Heat picked it up recently I haven't been blaming others much. With that being said, the only Heat I don't like is Chalmers. I actually like most players on the Heat, but I apologize for coming off as immature by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

Regarding their defense, Cole has had stretches of good defense, but last year, Chalmers was solid at that end as well. My point is, injuries have kept Rio back this season and prevented him from being as quick defensively as he usually is. Norris is starting to come along on that end, but still commits rookie mistakes (at least he's learned how to close out for the most part).

I thought Cole was a better defender last season as well. I actually didn't know Chalmers got hurt in the pre-season. I don't follow the NBA much at all before the regular season to be honest. I know he got a finger/hand injury recently, but Chalmers was shooting poorly even before that.

And what makes you think Cole is smarter? His worse AST/TO ratio hardly does that, let alone his lower shooting percentage around the rim, which should be higher since he's more athletic than Chalmers, yet it's lower because he forces drives to the basket or forces shots in transition against two or three defenders. Chalmers has had a tendency to do so this year as well, but still not to the degree Cole does it.

Solid point, Cole probably isn't smarter since his decision making skills can be questionable. He made a lot of questionable plays last season and he looked like a headless chicken out there, but that was excusable because he was a rookie.

Norris has more potential than Chalmers, but right now, he isn't a better overall player than Rio. This is just another overreaction to a stretch of games where Cole has played well and Chalmers hasn't.

I personally disagree, but I understand your argument and point of view. I would take Cole if I had to pick one. Chalmers is the better fit, but I like the potential from Cole. Cole will be a very good player in the league while I think Chalmers has already peaked.

[DefenseWins]

I love this guy but he is just not consistent. If we had an opportunity to get a better PG, especially in terms of speed, I wouldn't mind.

The thing with Rio that bugs me is his defense against fast PG's. When he can't defend them most of the time, it puts pressure on our defense, and it crumbles. Thus all those wide open 3's, layups, whatever. Even Felton was blowing by him... that's unacceptable.


Now Cole, it's a reason why Spo has left him in at the end of some games and not Rio. When this guy has it defensively, he makes the whole team better because he can defend quick guards.

His size though bothers me. Also he keeps trying to go against shotblockers. If he learned to become more crafty (luckily LBJ and Wade can mentor him), more of a consistent shooter, I could see him as our future PG, more so than Rio.

Rio though has become part of the family and a Heat player. I feel like he is becoming untouchable to trade and whatnot.

[DWadeno3]

It's odd to have James Harden in your avatar but then again you only support LeBron and not the Heat, because otherwise you wouldn't just attack one of our players by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

A few weeks ago, I was saying Lebron needs more help and his supporting cast sucks, but since the Heat picked it up recently I haven't been blaming others much. With that being said, the only Heat I don't like is Chalmers. I actually like most players on the Heat, but I apologize for coming off as immature by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

Regarding their defense, Cole has had stretches of good defense, but last year, Chalmers was solid at that end as well. My point is, injuries have kept Rio back this season and prevented him from being as quick defensively as he usually is. Norris is starting to come along on that end, but still commits rookie mistakes (at least he's learned how to close out for the most part).

I thought Cole was a better defender last season as well. I actually didn't know Chalmers got hurt in the pre-season. I don't follow the NBA much at all before the regular season to be honest. I know he got a finger/hand injury recently, but Chalmers was shooting poorly even before that.

And what makes you think Cole is smarter? His worse AST/TO ratio hardly does that, let alone his lower shooting percentage around the rim, which should be higher since he's more athletic than Chalmers, yet it's lower because he forces drives to the basket or forces shots in transition against two or three defenders. Chalmers has had a tendency to do so this year as well, but still not to the degree Cole does it.

Solid point, Cole probably isn't smarter since his decision making skills can be questionable. He made a lot of questionable plays last season and he looked like a headless chicken out there, but that was excusable because he was a rookie.

Norris has more potential than Chalmers, but right now, he isn't a better overall player than Rio. This is just another overreaction to a stretch of games where Cole has played well and Chalmers hasn't.

I personally disagree, but I understand your argument and point of view. I would take Cole if I had to pick one. Chalmers is the better fit, but I like the potential from Cole. Cole will be a very good player in the league while I think Chalmers has already peaked.

Alright, now I can respect your opinion and see where you come from. We just gotta agree to disagree on some points. I like Cole's potential better too by the way, just don't think he's better now.

[fast-break]

You gotta love posters from other teams who don't even follow the Heat on a regular basis and believe they can contribute to a topic.

I'm a Lebron fan (TheChosen6, get it?), so I do watch the Heat pretty frequently, maybe not as frequent as Heat fans, but I watch them. Cole is better to me then again I probably am biased because I like him a lot more.

Cole has been the better defender this year, partially because Chalmers isn't fully healthy yet and partially because Cole's lateral quickness is much higher.

Not sure why it matters why Cole is a better defender if he is. Chalmers is not a very good defender while Cole is. From what I've seen, Cole comes in and brings good defensive intensity.

Oh and to add to it, Chalmers can hardly be our primary ball-handler when his USG% his 15.9, which is lower than Allen's 18.8 and Cole's 16.7.

That is the point. Chalmers can't be a primary ball-handler. He is just a spot-up shooter, SG in a PG's body pretty much. A worse version of Gary Neal and George Hill. Good shooter, but not very good at any other aspect.

Cole is better to me. He is more athletic, smarter, better defender, etc. The only problem is that Cole is a worse shooter, and that is the only reason why he gets less playing time than Chalmers, and rightfully so. The Heat need shooters to surround Wade and Lebron. They can't afford to have a streaky shooter or an inconsistent one because the spacing would be horrible. Cole has more potential and is overall better than Chalmers as a player, but Chalmers is a better fit.

It's odd to have James Harden in your avatar but then again you only support LeBron and not the Heat, because otherwise you wouldn't just attack one of our players by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

What does him having James Harden as an avatar have to do with ANYTHING? He can like any player he wants dude...you sound crazy...lol.

As for Rio and Cole, both are incredibly boneheaded at times but as of right now Cole is really bringing it defensively despite struggling with his outside shot, so I guess he has an edge there. With the current roster I'm not sure what type of upgrade of any significance at the point could be made but If the opportunity presented itself then of course go for it, I just don't think it will.

[Slot Machine]

His shooting needs to get better. He's lucky we really don't have any significant competition for his position especially with Cole shooting just as poorly. Also, all his dribble drives really need to stop, they rarely result in anything productive and we have a ton of players who can do the same thing, only better. The occasional drive to surprise the defender is fine but he's way overdoing it.

[DWadeno3]

It's odd to have James Harden in your avatar but then again you only support LeBron and not the Heat, because otherwise you wouldn't just attack one of our players by saying he has a face everybody wants to punch.

What does him having James Harden as an avatar have to do with ANYTHING? He can like any player he wants dude...you sound crazy...lol.

As for Rio and Cole, both are incredibly boneheaded at times but as of right now Cole is really bringing it defensively despite struggling with his outside shot, so I guess he has an edge there. With the current roster I'm not sure what type of upgrade of any significance at the point could be made but If the opportunity presented itself then of course go for it, I just don't think it will.[/quote]

It just confused me as to what team he was rooting for, that's all. Nothing crazy about that.

[Altered_Beast]

i like rio and cole. they should be the least of our worries honestly. the biggest weakness on this team is a big man that can defend and limit offensive rebounds. haslem and battier are passable defenders but they are just too small. after that id say finding a sf that can relieve lebron james is another priority

[ultratropical24]

I've been a Heat fan since the late 90s, and I could say with all sincerity that Chalmers, along with Ricky Davis and Antoine Walker I hated most in a Heat uniform.

[heat in italy]

I dont like Chalmers, he's very limited and a lot of times seems lazy. We have this crash on him, just because he was a draft pick and the loyalt and on and on ,,, but looking from a professional perspective, he should be a lock in PG playing 40 minutes a game and avg 12 pts 8 assit. Just by playing hard nose D and shotting open jumpers. But he is not, the reality is that he is not that good, and it doesnt seems that he is hungry to change that.

[Pimpwerx]

Rio is playing injured. I'm willing to give him until the ASB before I start to question his right to start. He has been important to this team in both Big3 playoff runs. I expect him to make big contributions this year too. Like UD, I'm willing to ride it out. Give the guys who have delivered championship performances a chance to guide us to another championship. PEACE.

[marson]

How people quickly forget, Remember Game 4 vs OKC? This Kid can play Big Time when healthy and in the right moment.

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[wallsfamily]

Who cares? The point is we have 2 players who fit with our stars!!!!! I am looking @ the Lakers this year constantly blame the role players and become irrelevant. It is about 40 minutes and 12 shots I will take either!!!