Trade Felton

[Dr. Detfink]

Where are all the Felton is better than Nash threads? Come on...

[Priggy Smalls]

feltons been terrible but we just don't have anyone else to take these shots for us right now. really need stat and shump to get back to take some of the scoring burden off the secondary guys.

[blue and orange]

Mods do your job and lock this thread please, Lin fans can go jerk off to him on the Rockets board.

[dreamer3kx]

Felton has been terrible? He has played just fine this year, Im happy with Feltons production, I dont understand, what are you guys watching, he'll have some bad nights but he's been solid this year.

[blue and orange]

When Stat returns JR will probably more of the 3rd scorer, it will be crazy having our 2nd and 3rd options off the bench if it really is true about having Stat coming off the bench to start out. People have to chill the eff out, guess what no player is perfect the closest player to being perfect is Melo, Durant, and Lebron.

[knicksnyk]

I don't know what you're talking about with Woodson switching Felton off Barea, because Felton was on Barea for almost the whole game and Barea ended up only going 4-14. JR was guarding Shved most of the time because of their height. Felton does bring get you an occasional block(remember he blocked Irving before halftime a few games ago) steal(he had a big one last game), and big rebound(also against Twolves he pulled down an important one). Every guard is slow to get around screens, that's why the PnR is so deadly in this league. I'll admit though Felton does struggle against stronger guards, and can't really do much to stop penetration.

Lin on the other hand, gets beat time and time again by good PGs. You all remember his big 38 point game against the Spurs, but Toney Parker had a triple double (27 12 12) against him, too. Also, Dwill dropped 27 and then 38 against him back when he was on the Knicks, and remember Rondo's 17 20 17 triple double against him? Lin is a liability defensively. Apparently he even got benched because Nate Robinson was torching him http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

In the 4th quarter i believe woodson switched them. also barea also went 4-14 but in the game u could see that barea was waltzing down the lane homie. he wasn't finishing well but the fact that he was able to completely get by felton is no joke.

LOL at the bolded part that had me laughing.

just watch felton one game. he couldn't stay in front of lin, deron, kyrie (dropped 40 points),lawson, kemba none of those guys he can't handle pg's that are more athletic than him (quicker, stronger, bigger etc) & unfortunately that is pretty much every pg in the NBA.

last season lin definitely had his struggles defensively but so did felton in portland (ask portland fans). he was out of shape, slow to rotate & close out, generally lost & didn't recover well enough. anyway last year is irrelevant it is over with & in the past.

haven't watched every single Houston game but in the spurs game douglas was guarding Parker Lin was guarding greene who dropped 14. Lin played the SG (Hardens role) in that spurs game where he had 38. DIdn't nate robinson torch the miami heat in one game? LOL Knicks fans no all about nate homie is unpredictable as ****. Nate nearly torched us a few days ago.

anyway I am not hating on felton he is playing at his pay grade which is mad cheap so can't be mad. (needs to put more effort some times he looks like he isn't even trying & he needs to shoot less & pass more). but people who said he was better defensively are wrong. he isn't Lin is just better on D.

[earthmansurfer]

Mods do your job and lock this thread please, Lin fans can go jerk off to him on the Rockets board.

Maybe it's the mods job to get you to watch your language?

[thebuzzardman]

I don't know what you're talking about with Woodson switching Felton off Barea, because Felton was on Barea for almost the whole game and Barea ended up only going 4-14. JR was guarding Shved most of the time because of their height. Felton does bring get you an occasional block(remember he blocked Irving before halftime a few games ago) steal(he had a big one last game), and big rebound(also against Twolves he pulled down an important one). Every guard is slow to get around screens, that's why the PnR is so deadly in this league. I'll admit though Felton does struggle against stronger guards, and can't really do much to stop penetration.

Lin on the other hand, gets beat time and time again by good PGs. You all remember his big 38 point game against the Spurs, but Toney Parker had a triple double (27 12 12) against him, too. Also, Dwill dropped 27 and then 38 against him back when he was on the Knicks, and remember Rondo's 17 20 17 triple double against him? Lin is a liability defensively. Apparently he even got benched because Nate Robinson was torching him http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

In the 4th quarter i believe woodson switched them. also barea also went 4-14 but in the game u could see that barea was waltzing down the lane homie. he wasn't finishing well but the fact that he was able to completely get by felton is no joke.

LOL at the bolded part that had me laughing.

just watch felton one game. he couldn't stay in front of lin, deron, kyrie (dropped 40 points),lawson, kemba none of those guys he can't handle pg's that are more athletic than him (quicker, stronger, bigger etc) & unfortunately that is pretty much every pg in the NBA.

last season lin definitely had his struggles defensively but so did felton in portland (ask portland fans). he was out of shape, slow to rotate & close out, generally lost & didn't recover well enough. anyway last year is irrelevant it is over with & in the past.

haven't watched every single Houston game but in the spurs game douglas was guarding Parker Lin was guarding greene who dropped 14. Lin played the SG (Hardens role) in that spurs game where he had 38. DIdn't nate robinson torch the miami heat in one game? LOL Knicks fans no all about nate homie is unpredictable as ****. Nate nearly torched us a few days ago.

anyway I am not hating on felton he is playing at his pay grade which is mad cheap so can't be mad. (needs to put more effort some times he looks like he isn't even trying & he needs to shoot less & pass more). but people who said he was better defensively are wrong. he isn't Lin is just better on D.

Basically, no PG's can contain each other anymore, Lin or Felton. If you want to cherry pick, I'm sure you can find instances to support one player or the other. Basically, how the "opposing" PG #'s look against a PG has a lot to do with team defense and schemes, and of course individual defensively ability, but I'd place that 3rd in impact.

[knicksnyk]

Basically, no PG's can contain each other anymore, Lin or Felton. If you want to cherry pick, I'm sure you can find instances to support one player or the other. Basically, how the "opposing" PG #'s look against a PG has a lot to do with team defense and schemes, and of course individual defensively ability, but I'd place that 3rd in impact.

very fair. tell that to the person who posted that felton was better he started the entire discussion i just responded with facts. synergy data which is usually the best. there is no lone defensive stat that you can rely upon but if i were to pick one synergy is probably the most effective. but as you siad team schemes are important as well.

honetly my biggest issue with felton on d is that it doesn't even look like he is trying at times. there are times where his guy blows past him & felton gets mad at his teammates? i see him do that all the time. Like wtf hold yourself to some accountability.

[thebuzzardman]

Basically, no PG's can contain each other anymore, Lin or Felton. If you want to cherry pick, I'm sure you can find instances to support one player or the other. Basically, how the "opposing" PG #'s look against a PG has a lot to do with team defense and schemes, and of course individual defensively ability, but I'd place that 3rd in impact.

very fair. tell that to the person who posted that felton was better he started the entire discussion i just responded with facts. synergy data which is usually the best. there is no lone defensive stat that you can rely upon but if i were to pick one synergy is probably the most effective. but as you siad team schemes are important as well.

honetly my biggest issue with felton on d is that it doesn't even look like he is trying at times. there are times where his guy blows past him & felton gets mad at his teammates? i see him do that all the time. Like wtf hold yourself to some accountability.

Well, I'm on record saying the whole Felton vs Lin thing is ignorant. I sorted of hoped when it was said he was signed we'd have Kidd\Lin\Felton, but probably not enough minutes there for all.

Both players are good, both have flaws. Clearly Lin doesn't "suck" as some want to believe, for some reason and clearly Felton doesn't "suck" either. Lin seems to have intangible w/ Floor vision and first step to suggest he won't bust and will at least be quality back up PG, and I'm saying at the very very least. And small sample of work ethic, attitude and play suggests starter material with nice vision and maybe bigger upside, but that is harder to know as we aren't NBA level scouts and they get it wrong as well. Felton is a more known commodity, but it's clear he's not garbage, gets shot happy, but also has a huge heart\clutch side that is bigger asset than folks give credit for, or at least some people on here. Not that Lin didn't\doesn't but just saying.

I would have wanted to retain Lin, in shape Felton is nice consolation prize.

Oh, and Ramon Sessions? Who said that? You dislike Felton's shooting and bring up the possibly worst shooting PG in the league? Hoopla could help? He's a guru, not Mother Teresa.

Hoopla's really turned around Brewer's shot. Oh wait.

[blue and orange]

Mods do your job and lock this thread please, Lin fans can go jerk off to him on the Rockets board.

Maybe it's the mods job to get you to watch your language?

So "jerk off" is a swear and if my language was that bad the words would be censored.

[knicksnyk]

Well, I'm on record saying the whole Felton vs Lin thing is ignorant. I sorted of hoped when it was said he was signed we'd have Kidd\Lin\Felton, but probably not enough minutes there for all.

Both players are good, both have flaws. Clearly Lin doesn't "suck" as some want to believe, for some reason and clearly Felton doesn't "suck" either. Lin seems to have intangible w/ Floor vision and first step to suggest he won't bust and will at least be quality back up PG, and I'm saying at the very very least. And small sample of work ethic, attitude and play suggests starter material with nice vision and maybe bigger upside, but that is harder to know as we aren't NBA level scouts and they get it wrong as well. Felton is a more known commodity, but it's clear he's not garbage, gets shot happy, but also has a huge heart\clutch side that is bigger asset than folks give credit for, or at least some people on here. Not that Lin didn't\doesn't but just saying.

I would have wanted to retain Lin, in shape Felton is nice consolation prize.

Oh, and Ramon Sessions? Who said that? You dislike Felton's shooting and bring up the possibly worst shooting PG in the league? Hoopla could help? He's a guru, not Mother Teresa.

Hoopla's really turned around Brewer's shot. Oh wait.

I didn't bring up sessions.

anyway I have no issues with ray I have said he is playing above his pay grade. But he doesn't play smart, & he doesn't give the effort consistently & in big spot light moments i get nervous with him. He needs to shoot less & pass more with the amount of talent on our team he cant be having only 2 assists. JR was moving the ball better than him. Felton wasnt even looking to pass the ball against minny he was chucking like mad. he isnt the long term solution at the pg spot in my opinion. i think next season we need to find a pg better pg. i would love lowry.

[SaveUsKP6]

I think the best metric to use here is "triple doubles given up to Jose Calderon" which Lin has the hefty 1-0 advantage.

[nykballa2k4]

Mods do your job and lock this thread please, Lin fans can go jerk off to him on the Rockets board.

Maybe it's the mods job to get you to watch your language?

So "jerk off" is a swear and if my language was that bad the words would be censored.

More so a mods job to limit your non-contributing post than lock a topic where true fans are discussing a chink in the armor of the knicks.

Felton's defense actually hasn't been terrible. I mean 90% of NBA point guards can penetrate to the basket, and that is done often. Felton needs to look to make others better.

[egelband]

i think this thread has done something to affirm that most of the fanbase is happy with felton and understands that he's doing a good job playing hurt. maybe not everyone, but most of us.

[PumaClyde]

Trading the guy is a bit too much.

Here's how it looks to me...

Previous PG shoots too much, Team wants to run offense thru SF.

Get a PG who promises to get everyone involved, and look for shot as a last resort.

PG has a few good shooting games and beats Def Champs.

Coach and PG drink kool aid, and heads swell

PG gets green light from coach, and takes full advantage

FGA goes up, Dimes go down

If Pg shoots high %, all is good and All star conversation ensues...

If PG shoots low %, Trade the shot glutton

My 2¥ : I would like the PG to come off the PnR/curl/screen
with his head up, seems mind is made up to shoot too early in the
Shot clock.

Coach cannot wait till game 7 of P.O.,down at half,
Saying " he'll find his shot I trust him".

Just a little moderation and pick that head up, and he'll be fine.

When the shots not falling do like PG in Boston

Drive or Dime.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The knicks already made there choice. I hated the decision, but at this point i dont think it would be wise to make many major changes especially when we've had Miami's number so far this season. We must see how amare and Shump fit in first.

[21shumpshumpst]

I don't know what you're talking about with Woodson switching Felton off Barea, because Felton was on Barea for almost the whole game and Barea ended up only going 4-14. JR was guarding Shved most of the time because of their height. Felton does bring get you an occasional block(remember he blocked Irving before halftime a few games ago) steal(he had a big one last game), and big rebound(also against Twolves he pulled down an important one). Every guard is slow to get around screens, that's why the PnR is so deadly in this league. I'll admit though Felton does struggle against stronger guards, and can't really do much to stop penetration.

Lin on the other hand, gets beat time and time again by good PGs. You all remember his big 38 point game against the Spurs, but Toney Parker had a triple double (27 12 12) against him, too. Also, Dwill dropped 27 and then 38 against him back when he was on the Knicks, and remember Rondo's 17 20 17 triple double against him? Lin is a liability defensively. Apparently he even got benched because Nate Robinson was torching him http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

In the 4th quarter i believe woodson switched them. also barea also went 4-14 but in the game u could see that barea was waltzing down the lane homie. he wasn't finishing well but the fact that he was able to completely get by felton is no joke.

LOL at the bolded part that had me laughing.

just watch felton one game. he couldn't stay in front of lin, deron, kyrie (dropped 40 points),lawson, kemba none of those guys he can't handle pg's that are more athletic than him (quicker, stronger, bigger etc) & unfortunately that is pretty much every pg in the NBA.

last season lin definitely had his struggles defensively but so did felton in portland (ask portland fans). he was out of shape, slow to rotate & close out, generally lost & didn't recover well enough. anyway last year is irrelevant it is over with & in the past.

haven't watched every single Houston game but in the spurs game douglas was guarding Parker Lin was guarding greene who dropped 14. Lin played the SG (Hardens role) in that spurs game where he had 38. DIdn't nate robinson torch the miami heat in one game? LOL Knicks fans no all about nate homie is unpredictable as ****. Nate nearly torched us a few days ago.

anyway I am not hating on felton he is playing at his pay grade which is mad cheap so can't be mad. (needs to put more effort some times he looks like he isn't even trying & he needs to shoot less & pass more). but people who said he was better defensively are wrong. he isn't Lin is just better on D.

Don't listen to this guy he is a troll. He is a Lin fan not a Knicks fan no matter what his username says.

He exposed himself when we had a game. He didn't post in the game thread, he didn't post in the post game thread when we won by 20. But oh did he post in the Lin thread that was created and Lin was not even playing that night.

Stop listening to this troll. He is a Lin groupie nothing less. He has been MIA since Lin has been straight trash for most of hte season and now that he put a string of good games together he comes here to gloat and trash our pg that is injured.

[Sprewell4Three]

Felton has always been a crappy pg. Who else does he make plays for besides Tyson?

[Sprewell4Three]

he needs to heal but he also needs to play. what is the answer ? no idea.

I wouldnt mind this at all