Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[Halcyon]

There's no chance I would trade the 1st rounder next year for Cousins. I would do Seraphin + filler for Cousins, but nothing more. People keep saying Wall would be a stabilizing presence, but Wall is not a psychiatrist, and I think his effect on Cousins is being overblown. Even Coach Cal said Cousins was a major headcase back in UK, when Wall was with Cousins.

[Earth2Ted]

He's now suspended indefinitely.

Make it happen.

I agree- the kid has so much talent- and I challenge anyone to come up with 10 teams in NBA history with less talent than the 2012-13 Washington Wizards.

Ordinarily you would say high risk high reward, but what's the risk here? We're 3 and friggin 21. What are we clinging to? This is rock bottom. This is when you take your shot at the Sprewells, the Sheeds, the Cousins of the league.

If it doesn't work out, his contract and Wall's contract run out in 2014, and you cut them loose and start over.

I would do next years #1 unprotected and anyone on the roster except for Wall and Nene for Cousins in a heartbeat. If they wanted Nene it would hurt a little more but I would still pull the trigger.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

He's now suspended indefinitely.

Make it happen.

I agree- the kid has so much talent- and I challenge anyone to come up with 10 teams in NBA history with less talent than the 2012-13 Washington Wizards.

Ordinarily you would say high risk high reward, but what's the risk here? We're 3 and friggin 21. What are we clinging to? This is rock bottom. This is when you take your shot at the Sprewells, the Sheeds, the Cousins of the league.

If it doesn't work out, his contract and Wall's contract run out in 2014, and you cut them loose and start over.

I would do next years #1 unprotected and anyone on the roster except for Wall and Nene for Cousins in a heartbeat. If they wanted Nene it would hurt a little more but I would still pull the trigger.

Sorry, but having seen Wiggins play, there's no way I'm trading the 2014 pick (unprotected). This year's pick top-3 protected and Seraphin and Ariza for Cousins and Salmons

[gambitx777]

NO WAY! this pick needs to stay here !!! noel could be the real deal and len looks like a beast. both look like they could throw down with D.C. plus like stated, hes a nut case. if we can get him on the cheep then yeah go ahead, but not for a top 4 pick protected or not. i would trade them a pick in 2015 if they wanted it and maybe kevin or booker. plus what if we trade wall, then we are totally boned.

[hands11]

If there was ever a time to strike while the iron is hot for Cousins, it's now.

Big Cuz got into an altercation with Keith Smart at halftime of the Kings/Clips game yesterday and wasn't allowed to play the 2nd half. He's issued apologies to his coach and teammates today but word on the street is that he has worn thin on even his teammates.

Offer a package centered around our 2013 1st rounder (top-3 protected) and Kevin Seraphin. Add incentives/fillers where needed.

Wall/(FA)
Beal/Crawford/Martin
Ariza/Webster/Singleton
Nene/Booker/Vesely
Cousins/Okafor

Crawford is your back up PG

Okafor would get traded

Wall/Crawford/Price
Beal/Crawford/Martin
Ariza/Webster/Salmons
Nene/
Cousins/

Question is, who else would they want. What do they need. They have plenty of front court players and they will get another high pick to get a center if needed. They don't really need Kevin or Ves.

Booker, Vesely, Singleton, Kevin, Crawford, Martin

We could draft a center this year also. Lin or Zeller

So they are giving up rebounding and a high pick player plus a older player on an expensive contract.

They will need to get back a SF and or a SG. We could give them Webster or Singleton
Okafor gives them the center they need short term while exchanging back contracts Okafor and Salmon.

Looks like what they most need is SGs. They aren't getting Beal. My guess is they would want Crawford. I wouldn't be a fan of that. I want to keep Crawford.

Okafor, Martin and (Webster or Singleton), and our second for Cousins and Salmons

Remember, they are the ones in the bind so they are selling low to move on. It will all depend on what other offers they get.

We still have clutter to clean up but we added another piece. A piece that is maximized here better then any other place in the league because of the Wall Cousins relationship. He is worth less to ever other team so that really lowers his trade value.

Wall/Crawford/Price
Beal/Crawford
Ariza/Salmons/Singleton or Webster
Nene/Ves/
Cousins/Kevin

Next year

Wall/Crawford/Price
Beal/Crawford/SG
Ariza/Salmons/Singleton or Webster
Nene/Kevin/Ves/Booker
Cousins/Len

Team would really be starting to build some depth.

[McGully Culkin]

NO WAY! this pick needs to stay here !!! noel could be the real deal and len looks like a beast. both look like they could throw down with D.C. plus like stated, hes a nut case. if we can get him on the cheep then yeah go ahead, but not for a top 4 pick protected or not. i would trade them a pick in 2015 if they wanted it and maybe kevin or booker. plus what if we trade wall, then we are totally boned.

Do you trust this team to actually develop a raw big like Noel?

Gonna contradict myself here for a minute, but we should be exploring ALL options as far as how to bring in both Isaiah Thomas and Boogie. Thomas probably wont happen seeing that we just brought back Shelvin Mack, but I think with both Wall/Nene in the fold (to keep him in check), Cousins COULD turn out to be a steal if the Kings were dumb enough to move him.

[pancakes3]

I'll quite watching this team if Crawford is our backup PG. Jarrett Jack is a FA coming up. He would be ideal except he'll probably go with a vet team to chase a ring.

[LyricalRico]

Kahn would not offer specifics on any individual players the team might target, but he did mention that he is looking for a type of player that is similar to Howard or Malcolm Lee.

“I think when you think of the team right now,” Kahn said. “We’ve lost Malcolm—in all likelihood for the season—and we’ve lost Josh, who isn’t here right now. So when you think of that profile, somebody who is 6-foot-5, 6-foot-6, 6-foot-7, long-armed in Josh’s case, defensive-minded in Malcolm’s case, capable of helping us a little bit offensively in both guys’ case... we’re missing two people, not one. So I think that’s the profile of who we’re looking for. We’ll obviously move reasonably quickly, but we want to be thorough.”

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/pr ... ec-22-2012

Sounds like Trevor Ariza. Do we know when he's supposed to be back?

[MF23]

Kahn would not offer specifics on any individual players the team might target, but he did mention that he is looking for a type of player that is similar to Howard or Malcolm Lee.

“I think when you think of the team right now,” Kahn said. “We’ve lost Malcolm—in all likelihood for the season—and we’ve lost Josh, who isn’t here right now. So when you think of that profile, somebody who is 6-foot-5, 6-foot-6, 6-foot-7, long-armed in Josh’s case, defensive-minded in Malcolm’s case, capable of helping us a little bit offensively in both guys’ case... we’re missing two people, not one. So I think that’s the profile of who we’re looking for. We’ll obviously move reasonably quickly, but we want to be thorough.”

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/pr ... ec-22-2012

Sounds like Trevor Ariza. Do we know when he's supposed to be back?

Trade them Trevor and Jan. Get Roy back and Williams if you can.

[nate33]

I'd trade Ariza straight up for Roy. It fits under the new CBA where under-the-luxtax teams can take back 150% of the outgoing salary (it used to be 125%). We can even throw in some cash to make it cash neutral for this year.

Roy's contract is only guaranteed next year if he meets certain incentives, and he won't meet those incentives because of his injury. He is effectively an expiring contract.

[LyricalRico]

Roy's contract is only guaranteed next year if he meets certain incentives, and he won't meet those incentives because of his injury. He is effectively an expiring contract.

And that's actually why I think Minny keeps him. The same article I referenced above says he could return soon. As long as they are in the playoff picture (currently 6th, and that's without Roy or Rubio) I think they keep him and look to deal Williams/Ridnour/Barea instead.

[nate33]

Roy's contract is only guaranteed next year if he meets certain incentives, and he won't meet those incentives because of his injury. He is effectively an expiring contract.

And that's actually why I think Minny keeps him. The same article I referenced above says he could return soon. As long as they are in the playoff picture (currently 6th, and that's without Roy or Rubio) I think they keep him and look to deal Williams/Ridnour/Barea instead.

I just assumed he was never coming back. Or if he did, he wouldn't last more than 10 games.

[LyricalRico]

^ Maybe so, but at that point I think the Wolves might still rather keep Roy and release him in the offseason so they can sign someone instead of taking on Ariza. But I guess you never know.

[mhd]

I think an Emeka for Bargs trade is feasible and makes sense for both sides. Raps are on a winning streak and want to win now (so their pick is used up and wasted on a draft class without any superstars).

[nate33]

I think an Emeka for Bargs trade is feasible and makes sense for both sides. Raps are on a winning streak and want to win now (so their pick is used up and wasted on a draft class without any superstars).

Why would we want his longer contract?

[gambitx777]

On the A.B. trade, no way, its a longer contract for a less useful player, we are not close at this point, we need moved but no more bringing in vet's, not via trade any way, go out and sign them but dont bring them in via trade when they have bad contracts and falling production.


OK! i am really starting to get a little sick of people saying its a weak draft, it's not. not at the top any way. There re some really good players from 1-10, much better than the 2011 draft. Now if players start going back for another year then yes it could get thin fast. But, right now the chance to get len or noel, they could be game changers. shabaz has game, zeller can playe and the list goes on. i think if we can get noel or len or some how both, that sets us up for a while up front.

[kirubel94]

Kahn would not offer specifics on any individual players the team might target, but he did mention that he is looking for a type of player that is similar to Howard or Malcolm Lee.

“I think when you think of the team right now,” Kahn said. “We’ve lost Malcolm—in all likelihood for the season—and we’ve lost Josh, who isn’t here right now. So when you think of that profile, somebody who is 6-foot-5, 6-foot-6, 6-foot-7, long-armed in Josh’s case, defensive-minded in Malcolm’s case, capable of helping us a little bit offensively in both guys’ case... we’re missing two people, not one. So I think that’s the profile of who we’re looking for. We’ll obviously move reasonably quickly, but we want to be thorough.”

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/pr ... ec-22-2012

Sounds like Trevor Ariza. Do we know when he's supposed to be back?

Came up with a trade idea

Washington trade's-
Trevor Ariza
Kevin Seraphin
Jan Vesely
Trevor Booker
Top 5 protected 2013 pick

Washington receives-
Derrick Williams
Luke Rindnour
Demarcus Cousins

Timberwolves trade:
Luke Rindinour
Derrick Williams

Timberwolves receive:
Ariza
Booker

Kings trade-
Cousins

Kings receive:
Vesely
Seraphin
Top 5 protected

Why for Washington- They get some talented youngsters in D-will and Cousins(This team is not talented) and they also get a veteran PG that Ernie has been craving for.

Why for Minnesota- They get the defender they have been looking for in Ariza and also get an energy player in Booker.

Why for Kings- They get to rid of a locker room cancer in Cousins and get back a talented big in Seraphin and also get Vesely + a top-5 protected pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bosg4rl

[LyricalRico]

^ Eh, I'm still not inclined to give up a lottery pick for Cousins. It would have to be protected for the full lottery for me to consider it, and even then I'm not sure.

But I'd love to do Ariza+Booker for Ridnour+DWill. We can do that by itself and then try to work out something else for Cousins.

[nate33]

Came up with a trade idea

Washington trade's-
Trevor Ariza
Kevin Seraphin
Jan Vesely
Trevor Booker
Top 5 protected 2013 pick

Washington receives-
Derrick Williams
Luke Rindnour
Demarcus Cousins

Timberwolves trade:
Luke Rindinour
Derrick Williams

Timberwolves receive:
Ariza
Booker

Kings trade-
Cousins

Kings receive:
Vesely
Seraphin
Top 5 protected

Why for Washington- They get some talented youngsters in D-will and Cousins(This team is not talented) and they also get a veteran PG that Ernie has been craving for.

Why for Minnesota- They get the defender they have been looking for in Ariza and also get an energy player in Booker.

Why for Kings- They get to rid of a locker room cancer in Cousins and get back a talented big in Seraphin and also get Vesely + a top-5 protected pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bosg4rl

Not really a 3-way trade. It's just two trades.

I would of course do both trades, though I'd need more protection on that pick in the Cousins trade. Cousins still has a high potential to bomb and be worthless. He's not worth Seraphin plus the #6 pick in the draft. Make that top 10 protection (for several years). The idea being that if the Cousins gamble works for us, we get out of the top of the draft and Sacramento gets a pick pretty soon. If the Cousins gamble does not work and we continue to stink, then Sacramento doesn't deserve a high draft pick.

[claudio-br]

do you guys think a nene - cousins trade is viable? the kings would have to send a couple more players in order to match salaries, obviously

imo, it is quite possible. im not really aware of the trade market right now, so dont bash me if im wrong.