Cousins Suspended Indefinitely

[luqboiler1]

Other than Turner and Holiday, can you see something from the 76ers that might work?

[Inigo_Montoya]

Demarcus is back at practice. Honestly, I was hoping for a longer suspension. I doubt one game is enough to make him reconsider his attitude problems. If anything it probably just reinforces the notion that he is the victim and the world is out to get him.

[pillwenney]

Nobody is saying that the team is well-constructed. Obviously it's not. But to act like that justifies throwing the b*tch fits that Cuz throws is downright ridiculous. It's one thing to be unhappy in a situation. It's quite another to let that unhappiness make you hurt your team. That's inexcusable. I don't see how that's even an argument.

[Sacramento_King]

Cousins is going to hire Fegan as his agent. Fegan and Petrie don't get along according to most media takes. Bad sign for his future in Sac?

[SacKingZZZ]

Once again all you have is excuses; Cousins has nothing to do with any of this? Use the eye test man. The mistake here was thinking Cousins was mature enough to be a #1 option on this young team when his numbers say otherwise. He just doesn't play like a big man; he thinks he is a wing and it is killing this team; it's painful to see him take and miss jumper after jumper, then he wants to be a creator off the dribble which leads to TOs. He is a career 43% shooter and he shoots 41% this year; that's not hardly good enough for teammates to be putting up with your bullsh..!!!! You're right to a certain extent; Smart is the blame for much of this; if spent less time cuddling Cousins and more time getting him to play the right way, then we wouldn't be here. As far as Hickson is concerned; he realized that his next stop was out the league and made the necessary changes to his game to keep a NBA job. Unfortunately, Cousins is heading in the same direction; his behavior is much worse, he better look in the mirror and get it together or many teams will just pass. He may very well get together when he leaves here; if he goes to a strong coach who won't cuddle his ass and deal with his bullsh.. Somewhere like Boston or San Antonio but we will see how this goes down; knowing the Magoofs they may move him for heavy cash considerations!!!!!!

It is a shame that the Magoofs don't have any money; this would be a great team for a Phil or Larry Brown.

When or where did I say that? I'm merely commenting about the fact that this organization has done almost everything in it's power, whether intentional or not, to sink the ship before it even hits the water. Hopeless teams breed hopelessness and a person like Cousins will be the first to blow. I'm also trying to point out the potential reasoning behind some of the stats you speak of, there is a connection between all these issues and if you don't see that or the flaws with this team still after pretty much everyone on this board pointed out what would happen this year, which is happening by the buttload mind you, then there is no amount of discussion to be had that would change your mind.

And I implore you to watch Smart during timeouts, he's done with "cuddling" anyone. He's turning into a bigger screamer than any previous coach. I don't disagree about Cousins needing to correct some of his own issues, but this is a two way street. Don't want to end up like Orlando, or Golden State with CWebb. There are ways, but it's up to the captain of this ship to right it because a happy and losing Demarcus Cousins with no space to work, nobody to pass to, doesn't do anyone any good anyway.

[SacKingZZZ]

Nobody is saying that the team is well-constructed. Obviously it's not. But to act like that justifies throwing the b*tch fits that Cuz throws is downright ridiculous. It's one thing to be unhappy in a situation. It's quite another to let that unhappiness make you hurt your team. That's inexcusable. I don't see how that's even an argument.

Not justification at all but it is what it is. It's like poking at a rattle snake and then bitching when it bites you. Should it have bitten you? No, but it did and you knew it would. They knew what they were getting into when they drafted Cousins. Make it work or move on.

Hurting your team? You could argue the coach is hurting his players by his actions, rotations, etc. Petrie has hurt this team by not giving his franchise players any help. More talent doesn't always mean more help. Like I said if this team were winning, working, and made sense and he's bitching I'd be concerned, but this is just like last year. Same team, same unworkable situation, same coach. Just mind blowing.

[Cashin out]

Some reporter Mr.Jason Jones from Sacramento tweeted that Cousins raised his voice at coach Clifford Ray at practice today.SMH this guy will never learn.

[RIPskaterdude]

Eh, no one knows what it was about. He'll be watched for even raising his voice during games now.

[RIPskaterdude]

What do you think about this trade?

TO OKC: Cousins

TO SAC: 2013 Tor 1st, 2013 OKC 1st, Lamb, Jones III

Sacramento gets good assets they can use to continue building or for other trades. OKC upgrades its front court.

I'd jump all over this, but OKC wouldn't.

[GetBuLLish]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI
Oft echoed sentiment: If Kings want give DMC away for junk, we'll take him. But right now no one is interested in giving up real assets.

[bedjaw]

Most of the Sac fan's aren't realistically accounting for the current situation. If Cousin's is dealt now than it is because they are dumping him and every NBA GM knows this. What do yo think you could get Cousin's for now...realitistically you'd get an young mid-level player and serious cap relief...and god knows (along with every NBA GM) that your roster is a mess. If Cousin's wasn't a headcase you still wouldn't get a franchise player for him in return. He is highly innefficient player on a really bad team....and one who deoesn't make people around him better. I don't see him being traded before Petrie is fired...he is Petrie's pick and he's not acting like he wants to rebuild anytime soon. I don't think your FO views your roster as the complete mess it is. You should be hopefule to dump Cousins for serious cap relief and than you can truly start over.

[Wolfay]

Most of the Sac fan's aren't realistically accounting for the current situation. If Cousin's is dealt now than it is because they are dumping him and every NBA GM knows this. What do yo think you could get Cousin's for now...realitistically you'd get an young mid-level player and serious cap relief...and god knows (along with every NBA GM) that your roster is a mess. If Cousin's wasn't a headcase you still wouldn't get a franchise player for him in return. He is highly innefficient player on a really bad team....and one who deoesn't make people around him better. I don't see him being traded before Petrie is fired...he is Petrie's pick and he's not acting like he wants to rebuild anytime soon. I don't think your FO views your roster as the complete mess it is. You should be hopefule to dump Cousins for serious cap relief and than you can truly start over.

We wouldn't be dumping him. There's no reason to. He's still a massive talent on a rookie contract. Why would we need cap relief on that? And if he's so damn awful, then why is everybody and their mother in here making trade offers?

"But...but...he's a gamble!"

Just because he's gamble, doesn't mean you can have him for free. It seems that people don't understand what gambling means. Gambling means there's a chance you'll lose something of value for a potential high reward. It involves risk, and you're not risking anything if you're only offering your D-League scrubs and late draft picks.

[sacking123]

http://usat.ly/RZ6K0n
Interesting article about the DMC suspension, brings up a lot more though questions though on what is going on. Didn't want to start a new thread so I just put it in here.

[SacKingZZZ]

Doesn't shock me, I heard somewhere that the Maloofs are pretty tight with Cousins. I'd bet Petrie is too. Petries problem is he is gung ho on giving whatever coach he has the power to do whatever and he'll back them up. That's good if you're coach is your old pal Rick Adelman, Geoff, not Paul Westphal or Keith Smart. They are not Rick Adelman.

The most interesting thing about this article was this:

?Petrie is in the last year of his contract, and people close to him and the Maloofs say it's all but certain that his 19-year run with the Kings will come to an end this summer. Even if the Maloofs surprised all involved and offered Petrie a new deal, one person close to the 64-year-old said they were "99.9% sure he wouldn't take it" because of his desire to retire. Petrie declined a request for an interview."

Seems like he jumped the gun already and retired without telling anyone else. Seriously though, that could explain this teams limbo dance the last year, just no direction to go.

[VeeJay24]

Here's another interesting article that goes to what I've been saying all along- Cousins wants to be a guard and the fact that he is hard headed has stymied his development. This is why he would be better off with a coach with some pedigree and this stuff goes back to the Magoofs having no money to bring a real coach in here.

here's the link: http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-tradin ... s-cousins/

This is big because many folks around here want to talk about the Kings spacing issues; well, Cousins is a big reason for that because he wants create off the dribble plus shoot countless jumpshots and as the article says it has even hurt his rebounding numbers. This is what has really hurt the team and I think the players see it but he refuses to change for the good of the team. The one game that he played like a big man should was the most recent Golden State game and the result was one of the best games they played this year. After what we learned from Amick we'll see how this all plays out which I think will be bad since it looks as if Cousins has free reign to do what he wants now. We may see Petrie and Smart resign.

[WizarDynasty]

We on the wizard's realgm board were discussing Cousins. I am posting a few of teh comments and wonder what you guys think. Obviously you guys see DMC alot more than we DC fans.
Dude cussed his boss out? Kids are cussing out teachers nowadays on the regular. In light of current tragedies, let's put that in perspective. Disrespectful, counterproductive, draining drama is one thing. Insubordination, insurrection and keeping everybody down is really bad. Borderline personality types rarely come around. Coaches like Phil Jackson can manage those guys. Does Cousins fit this description? I cannot say because I do not know enough about him.


there is no "boss" and there is no "subordinate". Cousins is considered a highly skilled professional that performs service for a fee. Keith Smart is an employee of the Sacramento Kings just like Ernie Grunfeld and whitman are part of Leonsis management team. He is part of Maloof management team that manages the professionals. They tell the professionals what they want done and the professionals execute the orders using their expertise.
NBA took a risk. For a set price they are bringing in young professionals who have no choice of where they can work and then expecting them to execute all orders given tot them. In a real business setting, if a professional business doesn't want to execute the order or can't execute the order, normally the paying party tries to cancel the contract by going to court. If the paying party doesn't pay the contractor, then contractor stops performing the service.
cousins is being paid an amount bargained for before he entered the league, he is choosing to execute the orders that kings management have given him in his "own DMC chosen way" professional way and the kings don't like it yet Cousins is considered a professional.
KIngs are disagreeing with the way DMC runs his business yet they entered a contract to pay for his professional services. DMC gave up his rights to choose the location of his work and Kings gave up their right to tell DMC how should run the "DMC brand business".
KIngs are not DMC's boss, they pay DMC to perform a service that DMC is considered a professional.
When a doctor is hired to diagnose a disease, the patient pays the doctor to examine his body but the patient isn't the doctors boss because the patient isn't an expert in the doctor's field otherwise the patient would do it him or herself.
Same with Kings and DMC. the kings are the patient paying DMC to perform a service and if they could do DMC's job theirself, they would instead of paying DMC.
A patient may not like a particular doctor's style so they choose to get another doctor but since the kings are getting DMC for a bargain, they choose not to go with another doctor because it would cost tom MUCH.

the kings and kings management are not DMC's boss. They can create an environment that allows for their hired contractor to perform his services more efficiently by providing him the tools that he needs. DMC is clearly stating that he doesn't have the tools he wants. Most players come into the league 99 percent don't have a soul mate professional basketball player but DMC already does and that's one of his most valuable tools.


Actually Cousins is under contract as professional. O the contract is over, the business relationship is over. Cousins is his own business that created a contract to perform services for the nba for a fee. Cousins is part of nba player's association which has already bargained many of the parameters of his contract before he entered the league. Think of cousins as a private company ordered to clean the arena floors for a set a number of years and he has the option to renew or terminate his contract after a set number of years.

99 percent of the players come into the league without having found their soul mate on the basketball court. Separating john wall and Demarcus Cousins is like being forced in to an arranged marriage after you have already found your soul mate. cousins and Wall are SOUL MATES on the basketball court. NO money is going to change that and Cousins is tailored made for the culture of the city of DC.
7. No jerks allowed. Implement a no jerk policy. Draft and develop and keep high character people. Team chemistry is vital to success. Make sure the best and highest paid players are coachable, show respect to the system, want to be in the city, love to welcome new, young players to the team, have respect for the fan base, show joy in their occupation, get the system, believe in the coaches, have fun in practice, and want to be gym rats. Dump quickly distractions. Life is too short to drink bad wine.

I do think Cousins and Wall are soulmates but i also like point 7 of ted 10 point plan. It has really really multi layered wisdom for longterm growth. A careful analysis would have to be done of Cousins but I think Cousins believes in Wall with all his heart. I obviously don't know the two but Wall checks Cousins, which is why they are basketball soul mates. correction...wall's heart checks cousin. Wall has off the chart intangibles--his heart is one of his biggest assets--invaluable.

[SacTown Kings]

^^ I didn'tm really understand your post entirely or the reason for it but no DMC is an employee and Smart and Petrie are his bosses. DMC does have a boss. His boss can sit him, cut him, trade him, fine him...DMC is not an independent contractor nor is he a free agent. Sometimes young kids that make an absurd amount of money think they can do as they please and some bosses let them get away with things, which has been the case with DMC for a while. Now it is starting to bite the Kings in the ass and they have to put their foot down and say listen DMC we are your boss and you cannot behave this way and there will be consequences if you do. DMC can accept this and focus on playing for the Kings, he can throw a temper tantrum and demand a trade, or he can ignore his boss and continue to do what he wants in which the Kings will probably trade him. Not sure how this will all play out.

[VeeJay24]

We on the wizard's realgm board were discussing Cousins. I am posting a few of teh comments and wonder what you guys think. Obviously you guys see DMC alot more than we DC fans.
Dude cussed his boss out? Kids are cussing out teachers nowadays on the regular. In light of current tragedies, let's put that in perspective. Disrespectful, counterproductive, draining drama is one thing. Insubordination, insurrection and keeping everybody down is really bad. Borderline personality types rarely come around. Coaches like Phil Jackson can manage those guys. Does Cousins fit this description? I cannot say because I do not know enough about him.


there is no "boss" and there is no "subordinate". Cousins is considered a highly skilled professional that performs service for a fee. Keith Smart is an employee of the Sacramento Kings just like Ernie Grunfeld and whitman are part of Leonsis management team. He is part of Maloof management team that manages the professionals. They tell the professionals what they want done and the professionals execute the orders using their expertise.
NBA took a risk. For a set price they are bringing in young professionals who have no choice of where they can work and then expecting them to execute all orders given tot them. In a real business setting, if a professional business doesn't want to execute the order or can't execute the order, normally the paying party tries to cancel the contract by going to court. If the paying party doesn't pay the contractor, then contractor stops performing the service.
cousins is being paid an amount bargained for before he entered the league, he is choosing to execute the orders that kings management have given him in his "own DMC chosen way" professional way and the kings don't like it yet Cousins is considered a professional.
KIngs are disagreeing with the way DMC runs his business yet they entered a contract to pay for his professional services. DMC gave up his rights to choose the location of his work and Kings gave up their right to tell DMC how should run the "DMC brand business".
KIngs are not DMC's boss, they pay DMC to perform a service that DMC is considered a professional.
When a doctor is hired to diagnose a disease, the patient pays the doctor to examine his body but the patient isn't the doctors boss because the patient isn't an expert in the doctor's field otherwise the patient would do it him or herself.
Same with Kings and DMC. the kings are the patient paying DMC to perform a service and if they could do DMC's job theirself, they would instead of paying DMC.
A patient may not like a particular doctor's style so they choose to get another doctor but since the kings are getting DMC for a bargain, they choose not to go with another doctor because it would cost tom MUCH.

the kings and kings management are not DMC's boss. They can create an environment that allows for their hired contractor to perform his services more efficiently by providing him the tools that he needs. DMC is clearly stating that he doesn't have the tools he wants. Most players come into the league 99 percent don't have a soul mate professional basketball player but DMC already does and that's one of his most valuable tools.


Actually Cousins is under contract as professional. O the contract is over, the business relationship is over. Cousins is his own business that created a contract to perform services for the nba for a fee. Cousins is part of nba player's association which has already bargained many of the parameters of his contract before he entered the league. Think of cousins as a private company ordered to clean the arena floors for a set a number of years and he has the option to renew or terminate his contract after a set number of years.

99 percent of the players come into the league without having found their soul mate on the basketball court. Separating john wall and Demarcus Cousins is like being forced in to an arranged marriage after you have already found your soul mate. cousins and Wall are SOUL MATES on the basketball court. NO money is going to change that and Cousins is tailored made for the culture of the city of DC.
7. No jerks allowed. Implement a no jerk policy. Draft and develop and keep high character people. Team chemistry is vital to success. Make sure the best and highest paid players are coachable, show respect to the system, want to be in the city, love to welcome new, young players to the team, have respect for the fan base, show joy in their occupation, get the system, believe in the coaches, have fun in practice, and want to be gym rats. Dump quickly distractions. Life is too short to drink bad wine.

I do think Cousins and Wall are soulmates but i also like point 7 of ted 10 point plan. It has really really multi layered wisdom for longterm growth. A careful analysis would have to be done of Cousins but I think Cousins believes in Wall with all his heart. I obviously don't know the two but Wall checks Cousins, which is why they are basketball soul mates. correction...wall's heart checks cousin. Wall has off the chart intangibles--his heart is one of his biggest assets--invaluable.

What?

[peachbucket]

We on the wizard's realgm board were discussing Cousins. I am posting a few of teh comments and wonder what you guys think. Obviously you guys see DMC alot more than we DC fans.
Dude cussed his boss out? Kids are cussing out teachers nowadays on the regular. In light of current tragedies, let's put that in perspective. Disrespectful, counterproductive, draining drama is one thing. Insubordination, insurrection and keeping everybody down is really bad. Borderline personality types rarely come around. Coaches like Phil Jackson can manage those guys. Does Cousins fit this description? I cannot say because I do not know enough about him.


there is no "boss" and there is no "subordinate". Cousins is considered a highly skilled professional that performs service for a fee. Keith Smart is an employee of the Sacramento Kings just like Ernie Grunfeld and whitman are part of Leonsis management team. He is part of Maloof management team that manages the professionals. They tell the professionals what they want done and the professionals execute the orders using their expertise.
NBA took a risk. For a set price they are bringing in young professionals who have no choice of where they can work and then expecting them to execute all orders given tot them. In a real business setting, if a professional business doesn't want to execute the order or can't execute the order, normally the paying party tries to cancel the contract by going to court. If the paying party doesn't pay the contractor, then contractor stops performing the service.
cousins is being paid an amount bargained for before he entered the league, he is choosing to execute the orders that kings management have given him in his "own DMC chosen way" professional way and the kings don't like it yet Cousins is considered a professional.
KIngs are disagreeing with the way DMC runs his business yet they entered a contract to pay for his professional services. DMC gave up his rights to choose the location of his work and Kings gave up their right to tell DMC how should run the "DMC brand business".
KIngs are not DMC's boss, they pay DMC to perform a service that DMC is considered a professional.
When a doctor is hired to diagnose a disease, the patient pays the doctor to examine his body but the patient isn't the doctors boss because the patient isn't an expert in the doctor's field otherwise the patient would do it him or herself.
Same with Kings and DMC. the kings are the patient paying DMC to perform a service and if they could do DMC's job theirself, they would instead of paying DMC.
A patient may not like a particular doctor's style so they choose to get another doctor but since the kings are getting DMC for a bargain, they choose not to go with another doctor because it would cost tom MUCH.

the kings and kings management are not DMC's boss. They can create an environment that allows for their hired contractor to perform his services more efficiently by providing him the tools that he needs. DMC is clearly stating that he doesn't have the tools he wants. Most players come into the league 99 percent don't have a soul mate professional basketball player but DMC already does and that's one of his most valuable tools.


Actually Cousins is under contract as professional. O the contract is over, the business relationship is over. Cousins is his own business that created a contract to perform services for the nba for a fee. Cousins is part of nba player's association which has already bargained many of the parameters of his contract before he entered the league. Think of cousins as a private company ordered to clean the arena floors for a set a number of years and he has the option to renew or terminate his contract after a set number of years.

99 percent of the players come into the league without having found their soul mate on the basketball court. Separating john wall and Demarcus Cousins is like being forced in to an arranged marriage after you have already found your soul mate. cousins and Wall are SOUL MATES on the basketball court. NO money is going to change that and Cousins is tailored made for the culture of the city of DC.
7. No jerks allowed. Implement a no jerk policy. Draft and develop and keep high character people. Team chemistry is vital to success. Make sure the best and highest paid players are coachable, show respect to the system, want to be in the city, love to welcome new, young players to the team, have respect for the fan base, show joy in their occupation, get the system, believe in the coaches, have fun in practice, and want to be gym rats. Dump quickly distractions. Life is too short to drink bad wine.

I do think Cousins and Wall are soulmates but i also like point 7 of ted 10 point plan. It has really really multi layered wisdom for longterm growth. A careful analysis would have to be done of Cousins but I think Cousins believes in Wall with all his heart. I obviously don't know the two but Wall checks Cousins, which is why they are basketball soul mates. correction...wall's heart checks cousin. Wall has off the chart intangibles--his heart is one of his biggest assets--invaluable.

Boogie? Is that you?