Nene - Disgruntled...trade coming?

[hands11]

Whats funny is that is was just a week or two ago Nene was all smiles talking about how he trusted the Lord and that he knew there was good things to come and that he was just being tested. It was all a part of the path he know would work out.

So Nene is very frustrated. Good. He should be.

Walk the walk Nene if you can on your bad foot you didn't rest. Lead by leading. Until you own up for how you screwed the team, maybe you just don't carry enough cred. Maybe some of your teammates secretly feel like it was you that let them down. Ever think of that ?

I think he owes the team an apology. Lets start with him being a man for what he did. That would be leading. Not like he has a clean slate. How about starting with controlling the things you have control over. Once you do that, then maybe you message will have more weight. But in general, being frustrated about the loses is good. If they are thinking about tanking, Nene doesn't seem to be buying into that plan.

As for what JC is telling Beal. It is nothing Randy hasn't been saying over and over and over. Beal said

"that is what WE always tell each other." He then went on to say CJ says, " be confident in your shot. If you have the shot and you feel comfortable shooting it, shot it with confidence. We have faith in everyone. Everyone has the green light to shot it. The COACH will never yell at you for taking a shot he feels you are capable of making so it really up to us to stay confident and knock them down."

This underlined part was edited out of the montage video on the other page. What is this, Fox Noise video editing there ?

What exactly is wrong with that. He is trying to keep Beal confident. Its a common saying that shooting has a ton to do with confidence. Shooting teaching even echo that. You have to see the ball going in before you even think about shooting it. He is talking to Beal who is supposed to be a shooter. Randy tells him the same thing.

Nene is frustrated. Hell, he has even been missing some bunnies the last couple games. Missed a point plank put back last game. He is always looking at the refs for call he thinks he should get.

Webster has total faith in his team.
http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/1 ... mv-2335045

What happen to this guy who wants to be a part of the processes. 5 days ago
http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/1 ... mv-2332056

As for the cancer comment. Some source says someone said it. Who said it ? Doesn't say? In what context ? Who knows ? Hell, maybe Livingston was the cancer and that one of the reasons he is now gone.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Maybe I'm just hard-hearted, but I can't generate that much sympathy for Nene. He's getting $13 million this season -- and he'll get it for 3 more years after this one. And, he can grouse about his teammates all he wants, but he was the guy who played in the Olympics despite plantar fasciitis -- a decision that affected his ability to be ready for the season. His decision not to rest over the summer is a reason his foot is still "sore," which is why he's on a minutes limit, which is one of the reasons the team is as bad as it is.

So...too bad. He's as culpable for the team's bad record as the teammates he's ripping.

You're nice, Nivek. I try my best and pray and do all the church I can but the only thing I can think of as that dude needs to STFU.

Nene is rich. Nene is a very good to great player. I wish he would accept that he is hurt and that is part of the problem. Wall is hurt. Some of the veterans playing are not as good as the young guys who are not playing. Some of the young guys may be just as unprofessional and unconcerned as he thinks, but calling them out is to be holier than thou. EVERYBODY is part of the problem.

I can't stand Nene right now.

AFM, I feel you. I am sure he would rather be sipping the coffee and watching the zoomies fly T-38s or whatever the AF Academy trains on in Colorado Springs. There are some picturesque mountains, hiking trails, etc. Nice place. Much better situation than what EG and Ted goat roped him into.

What makes this owner think somebody wants to be traded to the Wizards if he admitted he thought nobody wants to play for him? Nene has been a real good soldier until those comments. Maybe the two straight losses to Detroit took him over the edge. I can understand him thinking young guys should be disgusted losing the way they've been losing.

Still, AFM, I'm totally with Nivek. I am not feeling Nene's pain. (No pun intended.) If he has nothing good to say for a while he should not say much of anything. (I loved Eddie Jordan post game interviews after a loss. Also, EG is really good for never admitting negativity or failure on his part). I believe he grew up poor and I truly believe he is a man of faith. Nene needs to sleep in his car one night just to remember what it is like to be without. Him complaining is worse to me than anything Andray Blatche said or did.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Whats funny is that is was just a week or two ago Nene was all smiles talking about how he trusted the Lord and that he knew there was good things to come and that he was just being tested. It was all a part of the path he know would work out.

Seems Nene is has lost faith in his savior. You can't use that answer when it is convenient and makes for a good sound bit. You either believe it or you don't.

You hit the target and I feel like a hypocrite for being the maddest at Nene.

I just hope he gets up and sees the glass half full. I do, but I believe you have to keep working your faith for your faith to work. I am just like Nene whenever I complain.

Suffering a season in life builds character.

[AFM]

What did Rashard Lewis say when he got traded here? "‘I don’t know if he’s going to make it two weeks here. He feels like the world just ended.’
I'm sure Nene felt the same way. Difference is Rashard showed that he didn't want to be here on the court with his lack of hustle and body language. I have no doubts that he stunk it up on purpose so he could get dumped.
Nene has only played his ass off when on the court and never showed any sort of "I'm too good for this team" body language. I respect that immensely. He is a man among boys. I don't have a problem with his comments.
The NBA is funny. Great players like him can play his ass off and never take a play off, and get traded to the worst team in the league. Players like Blatche can eat their ass off the team and end up playing for a contender. No wonder he's pissed. I would be too.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I have a suggestion for Nene.

Are you sick of playing basketball in DC for the Wizards? Put this in your smart phone and listen to the lyrics. This song speaks of a man born again in Colorado. (It also talks about folks getting high, monte. The song has many levels.)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP7Chi9MPSg[/youtube]

Take your bible everywhere. (Advice to me, him, and everybody who believes: Read it daily). Keep a few hundreds, and a whole lot of 20s on your person. When you hate your job and all the losing the most, start tipping folks. Give, give, give, give to whatever great organizations you can, You are suffering only to test your faith.

Be encouraged.

[hands11]

Whats funny is that is was just a week or two ago Nene was all smiles talking about how he trusted the Lord and that he knew there was good things to come and that he was just being tested. It was all a part of the path he know would work out.

Seems Nene is has lost faith in his savior. You can't use that answer when it is convenient and makes for a good sound bit. You either believe it or you don't.

You hit the target and I feel like a hypocrite for being the maddest at Nene.

I just hope he gets up and sees the glass half full. I do, but I believe you have to keep working your faith for your faith to work. I am just like Nene whenever I complain.

Suffering a season in life builds character.

Hey, I already went back an edited what I wrote. Its easy to get caught up in the situation and vent. Nene was very frustrated. He even had someone step in and end the interview. Back to back losses like that to DET. He is frustrated and so am I. Mostly I am frustrated with him because he didn't rest his foot.

Damn right he was pissed off and frustrated. And you know what, I don't even think that it is a bad thing for others to see what he was. What will be important is to see where they go from here. Lets see if others come to his defense. Let see if he owns his part. Things like this don't always have to end badly. Sometimes they can unit. They can be wake up calls. Regarding other interviews, the team seems united. Maybe they need more then that. Maybe they need someone to make it emotional that losing like that should make you that pissed. This is why I don't believe in tanking. It is poison to lose to much. Losers lose and give up. Fighter fight to win and never give up.

You know what CCJ. I went to mass tonight. I don't usually go but its Christmas and my mother invited me with a close family she is friends with. I enjoyed it. It reminded me a off a lot of things. Now I don't think I am a hook line an sinker Catholic mass kind of guy, but I do believe in a lot of the message. I do believe in fighting to be my better part. I do believe in forgiving and moving on. We are all flawed. The race to the bottom is an ugly one. Its easy to be manly and end up there. Its a little harder to be understanding, patient and forgiving. And think of it. Jesus was the lamb. Not the Lion. Its a tough road to walk sometimes. To be those things and also not be a push over that excuses everything.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I just had a conversation with my sister, hands.

For 20-something years she was married to a Catholic and attended mass. What I just learned tonight is that the whole time she was married, after attending mass with the family and fulfilling that "obligation" as she called it; my sister told me she would go to Baptist service with her favorite minister. I never knew that.

Great words, hands, you've shared on being understanding, patient, and forgiving. Last night I went to see a play called "Scrooged" at a local church. I didn't realize how much I was becoming like Ebenezer Scrooge. I was racing to the bottom holding bitterness and self pity over a few life circumstance, much of which i brought on myself. Most of all, I forgot all about Jesus the lamb. He had to be the lamb first, didn't He.

This Christmas my heart goes out to all I've judged harshly. Ernie and Ted are men and flawed like the rest of us. Every player is also just a man and flawed. All this undo stress about this team is wrong. I know a much better formula to be uplifted.

Merry Christmas to all. Peace and Love.

[hands11]

I just had a conversation with my sister, hands.

For 20-something years she was married to a Catholic and attended mass. What I just learned tonight is that the whole time she was married, after attending mass with the family and fulfilling that "obligation" as she called it; my sister told me she would go to Baptist service with her favorite minister. I never knew that.

Great words, hands, you've shared on being understanding, patient, and forgiving. Last night I went to see a play called "Scrooged" at a local church. I didn't realize how much I was becoming like Ebenezer Scrooge. I was racing to the bottom holding bitterness and self pity over a few life circumstance, much of which i brought on myself. Most of all, I forgot all about Jesus the lamb. He had to be the lamb first, didn't He.

This Christmas my heart goes out to all I've judged harshly. Ernie and Ted are men and flawed like the rest of us. Every player is also just a man and flawed. All this undo stress about this team is wrong. I know a much better formula to be uplifted.

Merry Christmas to all. Peace and Love.

Merry Christmas CCJ.

Good stuff.

Ditto to the rest of the board.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It wouldn't be Christmas without a total turd in the Wizards holiday punch bowl. Nene deserves better than this mess, which reminds me of the Jay Glassie article from last year about Ernie's no accountability loser culture. The players change but the story remains the same. A fish rots from the head down, and until Ernie goes nothing will get fixed.

+1

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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There is no room to use the "you're rich, suck it up" argument when all of his peers also make millions (seems to be a Grunfeld vibe). Nene can make the same for a dozen+ successful teams, he's in demand, and he has the power to use that leverage to his advantage.

Is Nene really in demand? Who's got $39M for the next three years, plus the prorated portion of this year's $13M for Nene's plantar fasciitis?

[queridiculo]

No accountability, no vision. Sounds like a familiar theme, but I'm sure Grunfeld has absolutely nothing to do with that. The Wizards have the talent, they just aren't catching the breaks they need to right? RIGHT?!?!?

Pfft.

[MikeTheKid]

And think of it. Jesus was the lamb. Not the Lion. Its a tough road to walk sometimes. To be those things and also not be a push over that excuses everything.

Hands I've been a Christian all my life, been to church all my life but this statement has never made more sense in my life. I've never really put it into context this way. This statement really touched me.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I really do not understand how people can be mad at Nene's comments. Like some mentioned, he had spent his entire career in a winning organization like Denver before coming here. What makes this organization think that trading for a near All-Star and surrounding him with mediocre young players and overpaid veterans will make him content. Nene simply said what we all have been saying on here. The part of him being responsible for our losing is completely false. I read somewhere that Nene made it clear that he planned on playing for his country in the Olympics before signing his contract. Therefore, the Wizards should have known that before trading for him. We shouldn't be in a position to blame him. As Americans, our athletes do not take events like the Olympics (once-in-a-lifetime for some countries) very seriously, so I cannot blame him for choosing to represent his country. It wasn't forbidden in his contract. I blame the management of this team, who continue to lose more fans as the day goes by. Younger basketball fans from the DC area do not identify with the Wiz, because they haven't seen them be competitive in their lifetime. In my opinion, Nene should be traded to a contender, this is a s low as it gets for the Wiz, no need to have the worst record in the league with a good player. Trade him, get draft picks, young players, and reload in one or 2 years max. This team needs to become relevant REALLY SOON or they might have to move to another city...Rant over. This isn't Nene's fault, even in his limited minutes, he's been outperforming guys like Seraphin and Okafor. EG (and maybe, Ted) needs to go!!!

[WizardsWorld]

Nene definitely wants out of here and I think he'll get his wish around the trade deadline once the playoff contenders that need big men start calling. I think Boston is going to be the main one looking for a starting big man to put on the line with KG.
Nene for Bass, Sullinger, Melo, Wilcox works on the trade checker. I tried to send them Vesley or Booker as well so it wouldn't be a 4 for 1... but Nene makes so much money it didn't work. I'm sure Boston will be interested in him if hes healthy and Id definitely do a deal where we get Sullinger for him. Bass has a year less on his contract and obviously makes half what Nene does so that wouldn't be too bad either.

[Tyrone Messby]

Although the Skins are my first love in this city, I have to say judging from this site, you guys are the most knowledgeable and diehard DC fans I've come across. I enjoy coming to this board more than the Skins or Caps, constantly amazed by the amount of knowledge some of you guys show consistently. Amazing that the team's management doesn't seem to show 1/3 of the knowledge shared here. Having said that, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you guys!

[LyricalRico]

Nene definitely wants out of here and I think he'll get his wish around the trade deadline once the playoff contenders that need big men start calling. I think Boston is going to be the main one looking for a starting big man to put on the line with KG.
Nene for Bass, Sullinger, Melo, Wilcox works on the trade checker. I tried to send them Vesley or Booker as well so it wouldn't be a 4 for 1... but Nene makes so much money it didn't work. I'm sure Boston will be interested in him if hes healthy and Id definitely do a deal where we get Sullinger for him. Bass has a year less on his contract and obviously makes half what Nene does so that wouldn't be too bad either.

Interesting. I actually hadn't considered the Celtics as a possible landing spot for Nene.
The issue I can see Boston having with the trade, though, is that they'd be shipping out all of their front line depth to get a guy that is currently playing hurt with an injury that will require rest at some point. Could Nene even last for a long playoff run?

But we do know that Ainge isn't afraid to shake things up, so anything's possible. If he's healthy, Nene is a huge upgrade over what they have. Also, Nene's contract is the same length as Jeff Green and Courtney Lee, so he could be part of the "post-Big-Three" bridge.

[popper]

Nene definitely wants out of here and I think he'll get his wish around the trade deadline once the playoff contenders that need big men start calling. I think Boston is going to be the main one looking for a starting big man to put on the line with KG.
Nene for Bass, Sullinger, Melo, Wilcox works on the trade checker. I tried to send them Vesley or Booker as well so it wouldn't be a 4 for 1... but Nene makes so much money it didn't work. I'm sure Boston will be interested in him if hes healthy and Id definitely do a deal where we get Sullinger for him. Bass has a year less on his contract and obviously makes half what Nene does so that wouldn't be too bad either.

Interesting. I actually hadn't considered the Celtics as a possible landing spot for Nene.
The issue I can see Boston having with the trade, though, is that they'd be shipping out all of their front line depth to get a guy that is currently playing hurt with an injury that will require rest at some point. Could Nene even last for a long playoff run?

But we do know that Ainge isn't afraid to shake things up, so anything's possible. If he's healthy, Nene is a huge upgrade over what they have. Also, Nene's contract is the same length as Jeff Green and Courtney Lee, so he could be part of the "post-Big-Three" bridge.

Maybe we should sit Nene so his foot heals in preparation for a trade.

[hands11]

And think of it. Jesus was the lamb. Not the Lion. Its a tough road to walk sometimes. To be those things and also not be a push over that excuses everything.

Hands I've been a Christian all my life, been to church all my life but this statement has never made more sense in my life. I've never really put it into context this way. This statement really touched me.

Thanks for sharing that. That is a real blessing you have bestowed on me and I will use it as a reminder to try to be a better person. I appreciate your honesty. That is powerful you wrote. I take it as a great honor that with all your experience in your faith that I would have such an effect. Truly humbling. It's amazing to realize how we have an effect on each other through a message board about sports.

You know what eats at my soul sometimes. Its hearing how we are a Christian Nation and thinking of Jesus as the Lamb, the Light, the Love and then learning that we tortured people and hearing Christians, Catholics and other calling into radio and TV shows beating their chests with pride and anger justifying those actions.

All powerful every living God chose to be the Lamb and in doing so, left an image for us that has changed Million and Millions of people lives for the better. A beacon of Peace and Love toward all mankind. He did it to show us that when it matters most, we have a choice in how we act.

Americans likes to think we are a beacon, and in the course of our history, we have been. But people have false pride over it. It not something you do once or twice and live off of forever. Its something you have to be vigilant over. We had the opportunity to really walk in the light and live the teachings of Jesus after 911 and we collectively failed. We gave into hate, fear and anger. We had a grand opportunity to be the Lamb while the world collectively woke up and saw the effects of terrorism. And instead of being strong and faithful, we over reacted and lowered ourselves. We went and invaded Iraq who didn't attack up and thousand of innocent died. We tortured people in truly sickening ways. We hung them by their arms naked. We humiliated them. We put them in boxes. And we asphyxiated them. And the people collectively washed their hands in the blood and agony of the fellow man. And for that, we bankrupted our country and tarnished our countries honor. And we tarnished our Christian beacon. We good could we have done with that wasted wealth that we spend on anger and revenge?

We are America. We are better then that. Specially if we are a Christian nation. We don't torture people. Torture is what happened to Jesus. Torture is what the weak and faithless do. The Lamb was powerful enough to have stopped the torture that happened to him but he didn't in order for us to learn a lesson. The angry ignorant mob tortures. The protectors of the tyrannical government torture. A Christian Nation does not torture.

There is a saying that knowing is doing. You are judged by your action, not your empty words. It saddens me that when we needed to follow Jesus's teaching the most, we did not walk in that faith. We did not honor Jesus and his teaching. We collectively turned our backs on him and gave into our sicker demons. We became Rome. We became that which we loth and missed a grand opportunity to spread his word, this light, his love, and the power and strength that comes with it.

We missed a grant opportunity to move humanity forward and it wouldn't have bankrupted us financially and spiritually. What price will we pay in this life and the next for our actions and what can we do to repair the damage? We have shown the world that violence is a solution. We just saw this acted out in our own back yard with 7 year old children shot down. That is the message of the terrorists not Jesus. Being powerful is one thing. We can be that. God is powerful. Jesus is powerful. But Jesus was not violent. Jesus did not retaliate. Jesus know what the ways of real power and strength were and he know the bigger picture.

Merry Christmas

[hands11]

Nene definitely wants out of here and I think he'll get his wish around the trade deadline once the playoff contenders that need big men start calling. I think Boston is going to be the main one looking for a starting big man to put on the line with KG.
Nene for Bass, Sullinger, Melo, Wilcox works on the trade checker. I tried to send them Vesley or Booker as well so it wouldn't be a 4 for 1... but Nene makes so much money it didn't work. I'm sure Boston will be interested in him if hes healthy and Id definitely do a deal where we get Sullinger for him. Bass has a year less on his contract and obviously makes half what Nene does so that wouldn't be too bad either.

Interesting. I actually hadn't considered the Celtics as a possible landing spot for Nene.
The issue I can see Boston having with the trade, though, is that they'd be shipping out all of their front line depth to get a guy that is currently playing hurt with an injury that will require rest at some point. Could Nene even last for a long playoff run?

But we do know that Ainge isn't afraid to shake things up, so anything's possible. If he's healthy, Nene is a huge upgrade over what they have. Also, Nene's contract is the same length as Jeff Green and Courtney Lee, so he could be part of the "post-Big-Three" bridge.

While I will not buy into the idea that Nene is asking for a trade ... because he hasn't... this does prove the trade for him was a good move. Nene is a valuable asset that lots of team would want. He is a starting quality post player...even on a good team.

McGee was not that. And his contract was coming due so we would have needed to pay him like a starter when he is not ready for that.

Nene complaining is a good thing. Its one of the reason you bring in a winner. Winners don't except losing. What would McGee be doing right now if he was still on the Wizards. What weight would his voice have. What teams would give us the value for him that we can get for Nene. Getting Nene was an upgrade in asset value.

Can't wait for the next game to see how this plays out. I'm glad they tried Livingston and I'm glad they moved on quickly once they realized he wasn't the answer as the back up PG. Also glad to see they called up Mack.

The road forward is not a straight line and while this is not the road I would have walked, I can still see a opportunities out of the Forrest. Just because all the moves haven't born fruit in the W/L column right now doesn't make all the moves bad ones. I still believe Wall will return this year. I still think some younger players will improve and I still think some good trades are in the future.

The worst move they made recently was involving Dray. They did not maximize that asset value. Actually they did the opposite. Funny thing is, of all the EG moves people complain about, that was the one that got the most support from the board and that was a terrible move. Very overreacting and very short sighted.

[nate33]

The team is 3-22. Nene is playing great, posting career highs in PER and Usg and on/off differential despite playing hurt. He is doing everything humanly possible to win games for this team yet they still lose every game because the rampant suckiness of the rest of the squad. Nene has a right to complain. The rest of the team is either lacking in fundamental talent or they lack the willingness to do what it takes to win games.

I'm a little curious on what exactly he means by saying others don't respect the game. Are they not working hard? Are they not listening to their coach? Who specifically? In a way, it's a good thing because it suggests that there is something correctable going on here.