Steve Nash Trade Help

[michaelc204]

I'm looking to trade Nash now because I feel that his value is at an all time high and that hes a ticking time bomb at this age that will lose all value after his next inevitable injury.

One guy has offered Felton + Brandon Knight, looking to see what else I can get out of him though.

My team is:

CP3/Nash/Tyreke
Monta/R. Allen/Belinelli
E. Turner/Dudley/JR Smith
Love/J. Thompson
Dwight/Marc Gasol/DeAndre

His team is

Jennings/Felton/Knight/Rubio
W. Matthews/Shved
Batum/Korver
Varejao/Sanders/Drummond
Tim Duncan/Hibbert/Bogut

Hes also shown interest in JR Smith who I also want to trade, with Shump and Amare returning soonish.

[TheToothFairy]

Roto or h2h?

Who would u drop?


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There is a deal to be made here

[Apathy]

Nash/Smith/Jordan

for

Felton/Sanders/Shved

He needs points, doesn't need blocks.

I vehemently disagree w. you re Nash btw. Nash for Felton is pretty close; I suppose Felton is safer I s'pose but I'd take Nash. I live in SoCal and watch a lot of Lakers games; they desperately needed him.

[michaelc204]

Its a standard 9 cat H2H league.

Latest offer is Felton + Wes Mathews for Nash + JR Smith

but I'm not that enamored with Wes Mathews. Wouldn't mind dropping Belinelli if I had to

[TheToothFairy]

Its a standard 9 cat H2H league.

Latest offer is Felton + Wes Mathews for Nash + JR Smith

but I'm not that enamored with Wes Mathews. Wouldn't mind dropping Belinelli if I had to

That trade doesn't do much for you. Especially if u drop Belli. Can u get Hibbert or sanders off him?

[michaelc204]

His other offer was Felton/Varejao/Hibbert for Nash/Dwight/J. Thompson

but I'm not interested in trading (potentially) the two best players in the deal in Dwight and Nash especially when Varejao has longevity issues.

[Apathy]

I'm looking to trade Nash now because I feel that his value is at an all time high and that hes a ticking time bomb at this age that will lose all value after his next inevitable injury.

Sorry, but I just gotta rub this in. This is why in all but for a few cases, predicting injury should never be the primary reason for a trade.

[michaelc204]

Felton's injury doesn't change the fact that Nash is a 38/39 year old playing heavy minutes and tasked to fixing the Lakers. Only thing that changes is I wont be trading for Felton anymore. Under your logic I shouldn't have avoided Bynum, Granger and Eric Gordon in the draft, cause its not like their injury risk/history is a problem.

[TheToothFairy]

Felton's injury doesn't change the fact that Nash is a 38/39 year old playing heavy minutes and tasked to fixing the Lakers. Only thing that changes is I wont be trading for Felton anymore. Under your logic I shouldn't have avoided Bynum, Granger and Eric Gordon in the draft, cause its not like their injury risk/history is a problem.

Nothing wrong with trading Nash if you are concerned about his health as long as you get good value back

[Apathy]

Felton's injury doesn't change the fact that Nash is a 38/39 year old playing heavy minutes and tasked to fixing the Lakers. Only thing that changes is I wont be trading for Felton anymore.

32 minutes a game is heavy? He hasn't played heavy minutes in half a decade, dude.

He also keeps himself in immaculate shape. One of the few professional athletes who is a savant when it comes to diet.

Your logic is just wayward. You'd have a stronger case if you'd say, 'I'm worried Nash's perennial back issues will cause him to miss more games away from the top-notch Phoenix training staff.' I would agree because I said as much before the season started. Indeed, I was not (and still am not) high on Nash. He tends to always miss a handful of games here or there.

Yet to call his "next" injury "inevitable" is just shoddy. You sound like you've already made up your mind and are twisting facts to fit the narrative.

Nevermind that this isn't the peak of his value anyway. He barely came back from injury and it's the peak? No, the peak is a month later, when he's proven himself healthy, near the league leaders in assist and FG%, and people have forgotten about the early-season struggles.

Under your logic I shouldn't have avoided Bynum, Granger and Eric Gordon in the draft, cause its not like their injury risk/history is a problem.

Hi, my name is strawman.

This is why in all but for a few cases, predicting injury should never be the primary reason for a trade.

And yes, you would have been an illogical fool to avoid Granger based on "injury risk." What injury risk? I avoided him for other reasons, but injury had little part in it. Hindsight is 20/20, bro.

[michaelc204]

The purpose of the thread wasn't to start a debate on why or why not Steve nash will be healthy or not. Just because I didn't mention his back issues or Phoenix's training staff doesnt mean I idnt take them into consideration when I said he was an injury risk. It's irrelevant bringing that up because it's not even what I was asking about. It's like nitpicking over grammar, like it's some ego thing or whatever. Anyways I could go on about dantonis tendancy to overplay starters but there's no point this thread has already served its purpose

[Apathy]

It's the Internet. The thing I like about words is that they are very clear cut. You say what you say and you leave it open to questioning if someone takes you up on the opportunity.

These things are important because it 's about identifying patterns and information. If you place value on the wrong patterns and are oblivious to information you will lose in the long-term even if you're right in the short-term.

Mike D'Antoni wants to eventually trim Steve Nash's minutes to about 34 per game.
Nash has been playing heavy minutes since his return to the lineup, but he played just 31 on Wednesday. D'Antoni is focusing on the big picture to keep Nash healthy and fresh down the stretch, but with the Lakers still not firing on all cylinders, Nash will likely continue to play a lot for now.

[yakkoinfront]

If you can get a player in return for equal or greater value, there's always nothing wrong with the move obviously. But we're worried that you will incorporate the player's "proneness to injury" into their overall value and target someone of lesser value.

But the reality of it now is that you probably won't get anyone back of equal value for Nash. He's is a goldmine at this point. Something happened in the beginning of the season that tremendously boosted Nash's value that no one saw coming: D'antoni got hired as the Laker's head coach. Nash is playing high minutes, with the ball in his hands all the time, with a stacked crew capable of making shots. He's one of the greatest shooting point guards in the history of the game and will get you a very high FG%/FT%. The problem is that his value will not become fully apparent until later in the season when trading him is no longer advisable.

Also for what it's worth, WHAT?
Nash has rarely missed games due to injury. I think the last little tick that took him out of a whopping 4 games was 6 years ago back in 2006. Broken bones are not signs of "wear and tear" and basically freak occurrences. He's an iron man and I have no idea why you would think he'll be "inevitably injured" again any time soon. (also, it might interest you to note that Steve has played under D'antoni for a large part of his career and rarely faced any injuries). Sure he may become injured at some time in the future, but those chances are probably less than anyone else's. There's no definite reason to think that he'll become injured again. Keep him.