RGM's Top 25 Most Valuable Players - Vote for #7

[NW7]

Vote: Harden. Though I agree that the next 3 in some order should be Harden, Westbrook and Davis.

Nominate: Drummond

[Maefteda]

Vote: Davis
Nominate: Rubio

[Ian Kognitow]

Vote: Blake Griffin
Nominate: Marc Gasol

[Drax]

V: Blake Griffin
N: Derrick Favors

[UnderdogKnicks]

V:Anthony Davis

He is going to be a star PF/C on a rookie deal. Star bigs are the most valuable position in the NBA and he's only 19. There will be a long career ahead of him notwithstanding a major injury.

N: Andre Drummond

He's been surprisingly dominant in his minutes on the floor. My explanation is pretty much the same with Davis.

[eliasrapp98]

I'll like to see ur pg list if you have holiday at 14

1. Chris Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Rondo
4. Kyrie Irving
5. Parker
6. Deron
7. Nash
8. Curry
9. Lillard
10. Conley
11. Dragic
12. Lowry
13. Jrue

Then I'd throw Rose somewhere in the top 5 once he's back pushing Jrue to 14. I don't see anything unfair about what I'm saying, or really even controversial. Some are debatable either way, but nothing crazy. And I see zero argument for him in the top 5 or really the top 9 once Rose is back and top 8 now. Also, Rubio, Lawson and Lin are easily arguable over him as well and truthfully I lean towards all of them instead of Holiday.

Have you ever watched Jrue??? You're insane! If you want to put Kyrie in there then fine, but he is better than Nash (right now), definitely better than Curry so far, better than Lilliard (he's a rookie so he's getting more attention, but Holiday is playing better), DEFINITELY Conley (Are you nuts?), 10 times better than Dragic, and he beats Lowry every time. Are you a Celtic's fan or something, cause that list is ridiculous.

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I don't mind his list too much. I'd make a few changes here and there, but I think of all the guys he listed Holiday is only better than Dragic and Conley, though not by much. I do think Holiday is better than Lawson, Lin and Rubio. Nash, I haven't watched much this year, so I couldn't tell. The gap between a lot of those guys from 2 or 3 to about 15 is pretty small.

Saying Holiday isn't a top-10 PG isn't really much of an insult to Holiday either. It just goes to show you how strong this current PG group is, which again is why think PGs in general are a bit overvalued on this board (see top-25 trade value list).

[shrink]

I do think Holiday is better than Lawson, Lin and Rubio.

Even if you think that, you can't believe he has more trade value to a GM than Lin or Rubio, right?

[eliasrapp98]

I do think Holiday is better than Lawson, Lin and Rubio.

Even if you think that, you can't believe he has more trade value to a GM than Lin or Rubio, right?

Lin??? He's not even top 14 in my book. Rubio maybe, but we're not talking about trade value. We're talking about current performance. Holiday is currently better than Rubio. Lin isn't even in the conversation. Holiday is I'd say tied with Parker and Lilliard and is slightly ahead of Lawson and Rubio.

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I do think Holiday is better than Lawson, Lin and Rubio.

Even if you think that, you can't believe he has more trade value to a GM than Lin or Rubio, right?

I think you overvalue marketability a bit yourself, so while there may not be a huge difference between those guys, I actually do believe that Holiday is currently more valuable than both Rubio and Lin.

Holiday is just as young as Rubio and about 2 years young than Lin. He also doesn't have an injury history and has played at a high level for the longest. Perhaps a handful of bottom-line driven teams might prefer Rubio or Lin, but I fully believe that the majority of teams would prefer the best player, not the most marketable.

[inquisitive]

Harden and then either Lillard or Holiday

[theokie]

V. Love
N. Rubio

[shrink]

I do think Holiday is better than Lawson, Lin and Rubio.

Even if you think that, you can't believe he has more trade value to a GM than Lin or Rubio, right?

I think you overvalue marketability a bit yourself, so while there may not be a huge difference between those guys, I actually do believe that Holiday is currently more valuable than both Rubio and Lin.

Holiday is just as young as Rubio and about 2 years young than Lin. He also doesn't have an injury history and has played at a high level for the longest.

Well, Ricky was playing pro ball in Europe when he was 14 and facing down Derrick Rose in the Olympics in 2008. I must admit, I'm not sure where Holiday was playing in eighth grade though.

You may be right about the importance I place on marketability. I don't know exactly how to quantify it, but I think it's under-appreciated and I'll err on the side of the dollars if I'm going to make a mistake.

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Well, Ricky was playing pro ball in Europe when he was 14 and facing down Derrick Rose in the Olympics in 2008. I must admit, I'm not sure where Holiday was playing in eighth grade though.

I obviously meant Holiday has played at a high level in the NBA for the longest. What Rubio did in Europe is amazing, but it's still a bit different game in the NBA.
Rubio contributes in a lot of ways besides scoring, but he still has major holes in his game on offense. I very well recognize that he's a valuable player - I just think Holiday is better and more valuable.

[WizardsWorld]

SAME

Blake Griffin
Deron Williams

[Zubby]

Rondo, I think he could definitely fetch more in return on a trade than Westbrook plus he is paid so much less... I mean wtf how is Rondo not top 5 he is at like 11 mill!

Chandler Parsons, dat contract, locked in for four years around 800-900k

[Mr. E]

Parsons is the best value in the League right now, but as a tradeable asset he's a tough one. Totally support the nomination, tho!

[HartfordWhalers]

V: Harden.
N: Lilliard (H.mention: M. Gasol)

Harden/Davis/Rondo are all good here. Blake somewhat less. Not feeling Westbrook. Or Love. Both have some serious questions.

The Harden argument. Is the best young sg in a league with no good sg's. Is capable of carrying a team to .500 by himself (or close enough). Is signed for 5 years. Is still at the off rookie max salary. And the beard makes him a persona.

I think I'm leaning Davis next on age/potential, but Rondo is already a difference maker. Blake for teh "star" power could round out after.

As for the not feeling list, Love is playing poorly. Really poorly if you look at something like a 46.1% TS. Cousins looks down on that! Or that he is below 70% ft on 125 attempts (not a small sample at that point). Or his Orating and drating from last year to this (117 Orat /104 Drat) to (100 Orat / 99 Drat). Maybe his injuries explain all the shooting, but defense has still been hit and when you consider that injuries are hitting his production that bad, its really hard to justify him being here until he puts together a fully healthy return to his old form. And on top of that, he is making noise that isn't good publicity. And he is locked up for 2 less seasons then someone like Harden. Thats huge. These are top 10 in the league talents so every guaranteed year of control is a massive positive.

Westbrook -- I'm just not a fan. Too likely to shoot you out of any single game as to shoot you into it. Personal preference perhaps. But he is locked up for 5 (same as Harden, no option).


Nominated Lilliard. Looking like a top 2 rookie and the potential to blow up and be a top 15 talent is something that weighs big on value. That said, Marc Gasol needs an honorable mention reference, so he gets it.

[JoseRizal]

V: Love
N: DWill

[mid-post]

I guess it depends on how you're looking at things, but I strongly disagree with the people saying Jrue Holiday is more valuable than Mike Conley.