3 Scenariors w/ GSW's pck last year

[GoldenGoose]

Well the front office tanked when as they got rid of Ellis for an injured player.

[Muggsy Bogues]

Well the front office tanked when as they got rid of Ellis for an injured player.

Nope, that was a calculated move with what they hoped would be a deferred reward. Ellis wasn't going to get the Warriors anything more than a perennial 8th seed, whereas a fully rehabbed and healthy Bogut would be a good enough defensive anchor to let them compete long-term. Since Bogut was hurt, his trade value was lower and they managed to trade for him without gutting the team.

Also, the argument can be made that moving Ellis improved the team since his ball dominance and awful efficiency didn't exactly make anyone better. Even if the Jazz had gotten their pick, this move would've arguably left the W's better off than they were with Monta.

[floppymoose]

Well the front office tanked when as they got rid of Ellis for an injured player.

And that is what I alluded to earlier when I defined tanking. Different people have different uses for the word. But a front office trading the present (Ellis) for the future (Bogut) is a very different kind of 'tanking' then what I'm talking about. It's different then not playing to win with what you have come game time. That latter kind of tanking only happened over the last two games of the season. The people who have argued otherwise here so far have not even had basic facts straight, like who was really available to play.

[The59Sound]

Good lord -- this must end. No one's going to convince anyone of anything, and the debate is well past its expiration date.

Tanking or no tanking, disgraceful or smart -- doesn't matter. What happened happened.

[nguyenbalong]

Fans are to prideful to admit their team losing on purpose lets leave it at that. If the jazz were really bad and had no where to go Id say position ourselves for next year. If we were not in contention for the playoffs Id say let the rookies play and mature. Its really a smart move some may not like it but it does make allot of sense.

[floppymoose]

Fans are to prideful to admit their team losing on purpose lets leave it at that.

Fans are too self-righteous to realize a decimated team lost a bunch of games for real, let's leave it at that.

The last game, so often brought up here...

players GS rested:
Brandon Rush
Richard Jefferson (who was worse than Wright, the guy who replaced him)

players Spurs rested:
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Stephen Jackson
Kawhi Leonard

Where is the outrage over the Spurs not playing to win this game when so much was at stake for the draft?

[Inigo Montoya]

Where is the outrage over the Spurs not playing to win this game when so much was at stake for the draft?

you do realize that the spurs WON that game, don't you?

and again, the spurs have long proven they can rest their main guys is spot games and still be highly competitive.

[floppymoose]

So only results matter? If the spurs had outranked the Warriors that game, then the warriors resting Rush would have been fine?

When two teams both tank a game, only the loser is a dirty pirate hooker?

[Inigo Montoya]

So only results matter? If the spurs had outranked the Warriors that game, then the warriors resting Rush would have been fine?

When two teams both tank a game, only the loser is a dirty pirate hooker?

again, there is a difference between playing to win and playing to lose. even your own fans admit jackson threw the game and coached in order to deliberately lose the game. the spurs played to win. and they did. they didn't try to lose the game, and they had no reason to try and lose the game. they rested their starters because they guaranteed the 1st seed in the west and didn't want their players injured in the last game before the playoffs, which happened to them before (a year earlier i think). and you keep ignoring the fact that they have proven long ago they can be highly competitive even in games where they rest their starters.

[reapaman]

Complaining that another team did something to help themselves which hurt your team in the process is comical. Thats what happens when you put your fate in the hands of chance, sometimes it just doesn't work out. Nobody but some jazz fans cared what the warriors did last year. It strategy. thats what its about. We couldve tanked the games we played against them instead of meaninglessly trying to make the playoffs just to get a beatdown by the spurs and mabey they wouldn't have gotten the pick not to meantion our own had we lost more games. We won 3 against GS last year and had we lost one more than we could have gotten the pick.

If you are not happy with the way our team is looking then you blame the guy who contructed the team because we missed out on more chances than the GS pick to get another good player. Just face it GS FO was smart and we were stupid for trying to win meaningless games and look where we are and where they are.

[Inigo Montoya]

you should read the whole thread. i said many times i don't have a problem with tanking, but i do have a problem with the way it was executed.

[floppymoose]

again, there is a difference between playing to win and playing to lose.

Resting Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, and Jackson was playing to win? I have no idea what coach Jackson could have done to the Warriors to sabotage their chances more than what Popovich did.

[Inigo Montoya]

again, there is a difference between playing to win and playing to lose.

Resting Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, and Jackson was playing to win? I have no idea what coach Jackson could have done to the Warriors to sabotage their chances more than what Popovich did.

it must be really fun to live in a fantasy world.

dude, THE SPURS WON THE GAME. why won't you explain to all of us what possible reason the spurs had to lose the game. i already gave you enough reason for why they rested who they did. and they still won. why would pop risk injuries to his main players on the last game of the season when his 1st seed in the west is guaranteed, while knowing full well just like the rest of the league that the warriors are tanking and trying to lose, something even you conceded in an earlier post.

the spurs rested their guys against the jazz - and the jazz really didn't like it. and yet, the spurs almost beat the jazz who were fighting for their playoffs chances. the spurs almost beat miami on the road without their starters. pop knew he can handle the GSW who weren't good to begin with and on top of that trying to lose. and he was right.

[reapaman]

you should read the whole thread. i said many times i don't have a problem with tanking, but i do have a problem with the way it was executed.

I did read the thread and know exactly what you mean. What I'm saying is how it was executed is irrelevant. It wasn't against the rules otherwise david stern wouldve got on them. You may feel it should be against the rules but it wasn't. Their fans didn't care either because they wasn't making the playoffs anyway and they know what the FO was trying to accomplish and it worked.

They won, we lost thats the nature of competition.

[floppymoose]

The Spurs had no reason to lose the game. They had a ton of reasons to not give it their best effort. The left over a decade of allstars on the pine.

The lack of outrage over what the Spurs did just shows the double standard. The "warriors are dirty pirate hookers" crowd has double standards, and frequently gets the basic facts wrong. Anything that hurt the Jazz chances of landing the draft pick was unfair, and anything that didn't hurt it was fine.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

It's a well known fact that Golden State tanked that season... not even sure why it's up for debate. Heck, the owner even admitted they were tanking. What's left to argue about?

[reapaman]

It's a well known fact that Golden State tanked that season... not even sure why it's up for debate. Heck, the owner even admitted they were tanking. What's left to argue about?

Actually the people argueing with each other agree they were tanking. They are argueing over how they executed the tank, like it actually matters.

[StocktonShorts]

It's a well known fact that Golden State tanked that season... not even sure why it's up for debate. Heck, the owner even admitted they were tanking. What's left to argue about?

It's an internet forum, there's ALWAYS something to argue about.