2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

Elden Payton · Post #321 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:06 am

When it is all said and done I think someone goes crazy and takes a big number one.

JT2006 · Post #322 » by **JT2006** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:54 am

23-7 wrote:
MountBiyombo wrote:The fact is there are a nice amount of two guards projected to be lottery picks the next two years. To many to commit a max salary to a guard who has not proved to be a reliable scorer. He is twenty five years old. He is approaching his peak basketball years, and has not even reached 17 points per game yet on a bad team. He would likely be a welcome addition to a playoff or near playoff team. If we can get a nice trade for him we need to do so.

Mount Biyombo what happened to you I missed your insight on the bulls board?

he's ours and you can't have him!

ohara · Post #323 » by **ohara** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:56 pm

catch20two wrote:I read all of this McLemore hype but Shabazz has been much more impressive to me this season, not to mention he's bigger and almost 2 years younger. I'll wait until March Madness tourney time to make final judgement but under the radar Shabazz has lived up to expectations and is as good as advertised during the recruiting trail. I expect Shabazz to make more of a lasting impact in the pros than McLemore.

Good point about the size. Wish McLemore was an inch bigger, but cannot get everything. But I think McLemore is the better fit for Charlotte, and here is why. ESPN, nbadraft.net and others compare Shabazz to MKG. Explosive, gets to the rim, great young talent. But his jump shot needs work. McLemore on the other hand is compared to Ray Allen. He has a terrific jumper. Great 3 pt range. And following the Cats, you know the one thing we need desperately is a SG who can be a threat from the arch. Hendo is getting better, but not there yet and my not get there. This kid has that ability. And we need it. We have the original MKG at SF. We dont need his clone at the SG. But we can use a clone of Ray Allen at the SG. All said, I wont be crying if we get Shabazz, but I think McLemore will prove to be the better SG.

princeofpalace · Post #324 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:00 pm

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Shabazz is a great shooter, he really is nothing like MGK at all. Shabazz is a go to scorer and can shoot it well in addition to being able to get to the rim. You really shouldnt rely on a scouting report from 2011. Watch the next UCLA game, and if you cant watch, atleast look at his stats and read more recent scouting reports. Shabazz is putting up 19 ppg on 48% from the 3 point line, he has a great jumper unlike MGK. MGK is a utility player, he can contribute in a lot of areas whereas with Shabazz you are getting a pure scorer who isn't going to fill up the column in other areas statistically. If Charlotte gets a top 3 pick, they wouldnt go wrong with either Shabazz/Mclemore

catch20two · Post #325 » by **catch20two** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:59 pm

ohara wrote:
catch20two wrote:I read all of this McLemore hype but Shabazz has been much more impressive to me this season, not to mention he's bigger and almost 2 years younger. I'll wait until March Madness tourney time to make final judgement but under the radar Shabazz has lived up to expectations and is as good as advertised during the recruiting trail. I expect Shabazz to make more of a lasting impact in the pros than McLemore.

Good point about the size. Wish McLemore was an inch bigger, but cannot get everything. But I think McLemore is the better fit for Charlotte, and here is why. ESPN, nbadraft.net and others compare Shabazz to MKG. Explosive, gets to the rim, great young talent. But his jump shot needs work. McLemore on the other hand is compared to Ray Allen. He has a terrific jumper. Great 3 pt range. And following the Cats, you know the one thing we need desperately is a SG who can be a threat from the arch. Hendo is getting better, but not there yet and my not get there. This kid has that ability. And we need it. We have the original MKG at SF. We dont need his clone at the SG. But we can use a clone of Ray Allen at the SG. All said, I wont be crying if we get Shabazz, but I think McLemore will prove to be the better SG.

It was alleged that Shabazz can't shoot but I've seen a couple of UCLA games this year and he has a nice jump shot, even from beyond the arc. Shabazz's game is nothing like MKG's, one is offensive-minded while the other is defensive-minded. The only similarity that Shabazz's style of play has to MKG's is that they both can finish well in the paint. I'm not high on McLemore because he doesn't appear to be dominating his competition like I would expect. McLemore is a 20 year old freshman, equivalent to a typical NCAA junior, and will be 21 years old by March Madness. Shabazz's ceiling is much higher than McLemore's. I wouldn't mind McLemore if he's the BPA when we pick but personally my selection would be Shabazz or Noel before him.

ohara · Post #326 » by **ohara** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:12 pm

princeofpalace wrote:^
Shabazz is a great shooter, he really is nothing like MGK at all. Shabazz is a go to scorer and can shoot it well in addition to being able to get to the rim. You really shouldnt rely on a scouting report from 2011. Watch the next UCLA game, and if you cant watch, atleast look at his stats and read more recent scouting reports. Shabazz is putting up 19 ppg on 48% from the 3 point line, he has a great jumper unlike MGK. MGK is a utility player, he can contribute in a lot of areas whereas with Shabazz you are getting a pure scorer who isn't going to fill up the column in other areas statistically. If Charlotte gets a top 3 pick, they wouldnt go wrong with either Shabazz/Mclemore

Scouting reports I read are from DEC. 2012, not 2011.

Liver_Pooty · Post #327 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:29 pm

ohara wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:^
Shabazz is a great shooter, he really is nothing like MGK at all. Shabazz is a go to scorer and can shoot it well in addition to being able to get to the rim. You really shouldnt rely on a scouting report from 2011. Watch the next UCLA game, and if you cant watch, atleast look at his stats and read more recent scouting reports. Shabazz is putting up 19 ppg on 48% from the 3 point line, he has a great jumper unlike MGK. MGK is a utility player, he can contribute in a lot of areas whereas with Shabazz you are getting a pure scorer who isn't going to fill up the column in other areas statistically. If Charlotte gets a top 3 pick, they wouldnt go wrong with either Shabazz/Mclemore

Scouting reports I read are from DEC. 2012, not 2011.

48% from 3 thus far this season suggest otherwise...

No-Man · Post #328 » by **No-Man** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:35 pm

Bazz is a scorer, not a pure shooter like McLemore, but he can do more things, he's also way younger and more explosive.

I would take Bazz over him, even Archie over McLemore.

Anyway, Noel would fit very well with the Cats game.

catch20two · Post #329 » by **catch20two** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:43 pm

Fischella wrote:Bazz is a scorer, not a pure shooter like McLemore, but he can do more things, he's also way younger and more explosive.

I would take Bazz over him, even Archie over McLemore.

Anyway, Noel would fit very well with the Cats game.

I want Shabazz on the Cats first and foremost but Noel would make a great defensive complement alongside MKG and Kemba whom both also force a lot turnovers in their own right...and we need more defense like yesterday.

Liver_Pooty · Post #330 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:23 pm

Im not on the McLemore bandwagon at all. 20 year old freshmen with previous issues violating team rules and such don't intrigue me unless were picking outside the top 5, which is highly doubtful.

JT2006 · Post #331 » by **JT2006** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:43 pm

Shabazz's youth alone is an impressive tiebreaker putting him above the other SGs in his class.

Red Larrivee · Post #332 » by **Red Larrivee** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:29 pm

I dont think its a lock that Bazz goes numero uno. Theres been talk it could be Noel or Zeller. Hell someone else could emerge too. This draft is a wildcard.

SWedd523 · Post #333 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:32 pm

Shabazz is also only shooting 75% from the FT line which suggests that 48% from three is a bit of a farce. From the games I've seen of him, his offensive game revolves around moving to open areas on the floor off the ball, finding holes in defenses, and getting easy looks. He hasn't really shown the ISO game that stars need these days.

McLemore, on the other hand, has percentages of 49/41/86, leading one to believe he a much better shooter overall than Shabazz. Especially considering he takes 4.5 threes and still shoots 40+ while Bazz only takes about half the attempts. McLemore is a more explosive athlete as well and a better overall ball handler, passer, and defender.

JT2006 wrote:Shabazz's youth alone is an impressive tiebreaker putting him above the other SGs in his class.

So what about Archie Goodwin?

And who cares about youth anyway? If youth was so important, we would've taken Brandon Knight over Kemba on draft night. Good thing we didn't make that mistake.

JT2006 · Post #334 » by **JT2006** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:39 pm

I called it a tiebreaker, SWedd. Meaning that if you have two guys who both look like good candidates on draft night, taking the younger one is a smart move.

SWedd523 · Post #335 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:51 pm

you also said "putting him above the other SGs", alluding to multiple, not just McLemore.

and again, good thing we didn't make the "smart move" and take the younger Knight when we had the opportunityy

vorbis · Post #336 » by **vorbis** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:24 pm

i don't think we can definitively say that the bobcats made a choice between knight and walker, given that they took biyombo first and knight went right after.

JT2006 · Post #337 » by **JT2006** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:37 pm

SWedd523 wrote:you also said "putting him above the other SGs", alluding to multiple, not just McLemore.

yeah because there seem to be 2-3 really good SG candidates

SWedd523 wrote:and again, good thing we didn't make the "smart move" and take the younger Knight when we had the opportunityy

Knight was older than Bismack

Kembastockton · Post #338 » by **Kembastockton** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:05 pm

One thing that we can all agree on is that this year the Bobcats have some real choices. Of the guys we are debating they all bring something real to the table. We should get another really good peice to the puzzle this summer.

catch20two · Post #339 » by **catch20two** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:23 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Im not on the McLemore bandwagon at all. 20 year old freshmen with previous issues violating team rules and such don't intrigue me unless were picking outside the top 5, which is highly doubtful.

Exactly how I feel about McLemore. I think people tend to look over his age because all they see is "freshman", which is understandable if you're not in the know.

SWedd523 · Post #340 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:55 pm

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Im not on the McLemore bandwagon at all. 20 year old freshmen with previous issues violating team rules and such don't intrigue me unless were picking outside the top 5, which is highly doubtful.

Exactly how I feel about McLemore. I think people tend to look over his age because all they see is "freshman", which is understandable if you're not in the know.

Since you're so "in the know" please enlighten us on how much of a difference it makes that he is 9 months older than Shabazz?

Also, he's 19, not 20, just a little tidbit of info for those in the know