2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

ohara · Post #341 » by **ohara** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:09 pm

I dont think the 19 months is that much of a difference to worry about. No one is saying Shabazz sucks. A few have issues with the age of McLemore. So be it. I think they are both good. I just see the talents of McLemore being more of what we need on the Bobcats. A shooting guard who can light it up from outside. Shabazz certainly has the potential to develope that shot as more of a weapon, and as I said before, I would not cry if we have him. I just think McLemore's skill set is more of what we need. Hey, I remember a butt load of people here who pissed and moaned when we took Kemba, and for the most part, Kemba shut them up and won them over. I know a lot of people here who pissed and moaned about us taking MKG rather than trading back. Right now, most of them concede MKG was the right call. I trust Cho to make the right call come draft night. Anything can happen between now and then. Trades, injuries, etc....

catch20two · Post #342 » by **catch20two** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:28 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Im not on the McLemore bandwagon at all. 20 year old freshmen with previous issues violating team rules and such don't intrigue me unless were picking outside the top 5, which is highly doubtful.

Exactly how I feel about McLemore. I think people tend to look over his age because all they see is "freshman", which is understandable if you're not in the know.

Since you're so "in the know" please enlighten us on how much of a difference it makes that he is 9 months older than Shabazz?

Also, he's 19, not 20, just a little tidbit of info for those in the know

It's 19 months, not 9 months, almost 2 years of age difference. Do your math. Now you're in the know.

...and McLemore is 20 years old, not 19 years old. He was born on February 12th, 1992. I remember McLemore doing a extra year of prep at Oak Hill and he skipped last season which was supposed to his freshman year because he was ruled ineligible or something. Therefore, he has 2 more years of maturity than most other college freshman.

Now that you're in the know, are you enlightened?

SWedd523 · Post #343 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:40 pm

catch20two wrote:It's 19 months, not 9 months, almost 2 years of age difference. Do your math. Now you're in the know.

...and McLemore is 20 years old, not 19 years old. He was born on February 12th, 1992. I remember McLemore doing a extra year of prep at Oak Hill and he skipped last season which was supposed to his freshman year because he was ruled ineligible or something. Therefore, he has 2 more years of maturity than most other college freshman.

Now that you're in the know, are you enlightened?

DX has McLemore at 2/1993 and Shabazz at 11/1993. If they have the wrong year then oh well.

... and you never answered my question. Since you're so "in the know", please tell me how much of a difference it makes that he's 9 (or 19) months older than Shabazz? Enlighten me

catch20two · Post #344 » by **catch20two** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:02 pm

SWedd523 wrote:... and you never answered my question. Since you're so "in the know", please tell me how much of a difference it makes that he's 9 (or 19) months older than Shabazz? Enlighten me

Maturity and growth comes with age. There's a reason why players reach their peak aka PRIME at the point where athleticism and wisdom meet. If you think age has nothing to do with prospective then I'll consider my argument null and void because you have a different perspective than I do.

JT2006 · Post #345 » by **JT2006** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:04 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
catch20two wrote:It's 19 months, not 9 months, almost 2 years of age difference. Do your math. Now you're in the know.

...and McLemore is 20 years old, not 19 years old. He was born on February 12th, 1992. I remember McLemore doing a extra year of prep at Oak Hill and he skipped last season which was supposed to his freshman year because he was ruled ineligible or something. Therefore, he has 2 more years of maturity than most other college freshman.

Now that you're in the know, are you enlightened?

DX has McLemore at 2/1993 and Shabazz at 11/1993. If they have the wrong year then oh well.

... and you never answered my question. Since you're so "in the know", please tell me how much of a difference it makes that he's 9 (or 19) months older than Shabazz? Enlighten me

If they appear to have equal skillsets (for the sake of argument, thye're obviously different players) the guy who did it sooner in his lifetime would be projected to have a higher ceiling. In addition, they have a better chance to put on more muscle once they reach the NBA than the older guys because you haven't seen them all the way filled out yet. There's more unanswered (positive) questions with a younger player. Hell, they can even get a little taller.

mrknowitall215 · Post #346 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:14 pm

SWedd523 wrote:DX has McLemore at 2/1993 and Shabazz at 11/1993. If they have the wrong year then oh well.

... and you never answered my question. Since you're so "in the know", please tell me how much of a difference it makes that he's 9 (or 19) months older than Shabazz? Enlighten me

He just put you "in the know". Now you know that McLemore is 20 going on 21, and was born in February of 1992 :lol:

SWedd523 · Post #347 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:26 pm

JT2006 wrote:If they appear to have equal skillsets (for the sake of argument, thye're obviously different players) the guy who did it sooner in his lifetime would be projected to have a higher ceiling. In addition, they have a better chance to put on more muscle once they reach the NBA than the older guys because you haven't seen them all the way filled out yet. There's more unanswered (positive) questions with a younger player. Hell, they can even get a little taller.

Luckily they're two very different players with very different approaches to the game

JT2006 · Post #348 » by **JT2006** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:32 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
JT2006 wrote:If they appear to have equal skillsets (for the sake of argument, thye're obviously different players) the guy who did it sooner in his lifetime would be projected to have a higher ceiling. In addition, they have a better chance to put on more muscle once they reach the NBA than the older guys because you haven't seen them all the way filled out yet. There's more unanswered (positive) questions with a younger player. Hell, they can even get a little taller.

Luckily they're two very different players with very different approaches to the game

That's actually not lucky at all, considering that Shabazz is better at things that are harder to teach and has room to grow in teachable aspects of the game that tend to come with maturity. Couple that with his youth and the difference in age is still a benefit to Shabazz any way you slice it. It's a matter of potential here, and given that he's closer to 2 years younger than Mclemore, it would appear that he has more time to grow into his game.

mrknowitall215 · Post #349 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:43 pm

The efficiency that Shabazz Muhammad is scoring at right now in his freshman campaign indicates that he's dominating the NCAA ranks. I love his aggressive style of play. I used to be skeptical of his abilities, but now I'm becoming a believer. He will be a All-Star in the NBA.

princeofpalace · Post #350 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:49 pm

ohara wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:^
Shabazz is a great shooter, he really is nothing like MGK at all. Shabazz is a go to scorer and can shoot it well in addition to being able to get to the rim. You really shouldnt rely on a scouting report from 2011. Watch the next UCLA game, and if you cant watch, atleast look at his stats and read more recent scouting reports. Shabazz is putting up 19 ppg on 48% from the 3 point line, he has a great jumper unlike MGK. MGK is a utility player, he can contribute in a lot of areas whereas with Shabazz you are getting a pure scorer who isn't going to fill up the column in other areas statistically. If Charlotte gets a top 3 pick, they wouldnt go wrong with either Shabazz/Mclemore

Scouting reports I read are from DEC. 2012, not 2011.

You referred to NBADRAFT.net comparing him to Micheal Kidd Gilchrist- that scouting report is from June 2011, its not recent at all. There is no comparison between Shabazz and MKG on DX either and its doubtful that ESPN compares him. No offense but, from watching Shabazz play, hes not real comparable to MKG not sure what he looked like in June of last year though.

Edit- MGK is not MKG

mrknowitall215 · Post #351 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:54 pm

Machine Gun Kelly or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist? 8-)

...but I agree that MKG & Shabazz are no longer comparable. They have similar traits in aggressiveness, but their offensive skills sets are different.

Kembastockton · Post #352 » by **Kembastockton** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:48 pm

I too never got that MKG comparison. I know the highlight reels don't mean much, but when I watched his nbadraft.net highlight reel he reminded me more of a young Steve Smith. Shabazz is an obvious guard /forward. MKG is really a short power forward. There is very little comparison. The comparison has to all be about their mutual skill at finishing around the basket. I think both Shabazz and Mclemore will both be very good players just different.

Eoghan · Post #353 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:02 am

Something about Zeller makes me think he'll be a Nick Collison type of player in the NBA...

mrknowitall215 · Post #354 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:20 am

BrotherDave wrote:Something about Zeller makes me think he'll be a Nick Collison type of player in the NBA...

I'll go with Raef Lafrentz

ohara · Post #355 » by **ohara** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:51 am

princeofpalace wrote:
ohara wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:^
Shabazz is a great shooter, he really is nothing like MGK at all. Shabazz is a go to scorer and can shoot it well in addition to being able to get to the rim. You really shouldnt rely on a scouting report from 2011. Watch the next UCLA game, and if you cant watch, atleast look at his stats and read more recent scouting reports. Shabazz is putting up 19 ppg on 48% from the 3 point line, he has a great jumper unlike MGK. MGK is a utility player, he can contribute in a lot of areas whereas with Shabazz you are getting a pure scorer who isn't going to fill up the column in other areas statistically. If Charlotte gets a top 3 pick, they wouldnt go wrong with either Shabazz/Mclemore

Scouting reports I read are from DEC. 2012, not 2011.

You referred to NBADRAFT.net comparing him to Micheal Kidd Gilchrist- that scouting report is from June 2011, its not recent at all. There is no comparison between Shabazz and MKG on DX either and its doubtful that ESPN compares him. No offense but, from watching Shabazz play, hes not real comparable to MKG not sure what he looked like in June of last year though.

Edit- MGK is not MKG

My bad on the dates. The 12/12 report was on McLemore, not Shabazz. But as for ESPN, go look yourself. It says at the bottom of his name on the draft board "The second coming of Michaael Kidd Gilchrist"

JT2006 · Post #356 » by **JT2006** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:02 am

ohara wrote:My bad on the dates. The 12/12 report was on McLemore, not Shabazz. But as for ESPN, go look yourself. It says at the bottom of his name on the draft board "The second coming of Michaael Kidd Gilchrist"

link? i have to see ESPN misspelling MKG's name

mrknowitall215 · Post #357 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:32 am

JT2006 · Post #358 » by **JT2006** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:34 am

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+sec ... 20&bih=955

the only people who have said "the second coming of michael kidd gilchrist" said it about polythress and someone else

EDIT: bleacher report, lmao

ohara · Post #359 » by **ohara** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:45 am

JT2006 wrote:
ohara wrote:My bad on the dates. The 12/12 report was on McLemore, not Shabazz. But as for ESPN, go look yourself. It says at the bottom of his name on the draft board "The second coming of Michaael Kidd Gilchrist"

link? i have to see ESPN misspelling MKG's name

Just go and look yourself. ESPN, NBA and hit on the Draft logo.

JT2006 · Post #360 » by **JT2006** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:53 am

ohara wrote:
JT2006 wrote:
ohara wrote:My bad on the dates. The 12/12 report was on McLemore, not Shabazz. But as for ESPN, go look yourself. It says at the bottom of his name on the draft board "The second coming of Michaael Kidd Gilchrist"

link? i have to see ESPN misspelling MKG's name

Just go and look yourself. ESPN, NBA and hit on the Draft logo.

or you could link me to the thing you found and already have up, like a normal person