Around the NBA part 2

[boomann21]

Reggie Jackson is making the machine run better than Westbrook did tonight. Not saying he's better or nothing, but the blowout has commenced with that Jackson kid starting the second half for the injured Westbrook.

[Thugger HBC]

Williams from the get-go in college was doing a lot with not much physical talent... he flew under the radar in college and carried Illinois to an NCAA championship.

Marbury was heralded nationally since he was a teenager and basically underachieved in college.

Williams seems to be a prick... but to say the guy wasn't playing at a different level prior to the injuries and to say the injuries aren't affecting what little physical ability he was already working with is just not giving him a fair shake.

I think he had the perfect mix in Utah, he had alot of talent that carried him as well.

I remember making this point some time back and got laughed into a corner.

Hurt or not, he shouldn't be this bad, he needs to just sit down if that's the case.

[ibraheim718]

Williams from the get-go in college was doing a lot with not much physical talent... he flew under the radar in college and carried Illinois to an NCAA championship.

Marbury was heralded nationally since he was a teenager and basically underachieved in college.

Williams seems to be a prick... but to say the guy wasn't playing at a different level prior to the injuries and to say the injuries aren't affecting what little physical ability he was already working with is just not giving him a fair shake.

his decline definitely started with the wrist injury but it's been 2 years almost. it doesn't look like it will ever be better at this point.

That's what I think.. I think the wrist might have no hope.. but the ankle? Maybe. But to play while the team is struggling knowing you have to get your ankle scoped can't be fun. Normally if a guy had a good reputation people would say he's a "warrior" for playing with those injuries all year.

Me.. I personally have always loved his game.. I love the style he plays with. But physically the dude is wrong.. very wrong.

All one has to do is look at old Jazz footage... what little explosion and quickness he was working with is gone right now.

[ibraheim718]

I do think looking at it now.. King made a mistake bringing Watson in to back up the point... he's not a change of pace.. they need a young, quick PG to back up Williams.

[K_ick_God]

All of us who would've thought it was funny if Deron bolted to Dallas. It's now funnier that he's a Max super-far for the Nets.

[K_ick_God]

I do think looking at it now.. King made a mistake bringing Watson in to back up the point... he's not a change of pace.. they need a young, quick PG to back up Williams.

Maybe so, but we can't point to that as the cause of Deron's problems.

Great players don't need all the stars to be aligned to be great. In fact, they'll thrive no matter what -- if they're truly elite.

I don't think it's purely injuries either. A body that's in shape can overcome injuries (or won't have them in the first place). I think physical decline is always the center of a player's decline. But that is not quite the same as saying "Bad luck and injuries did him in." The NBA game is brutal on these guys' bodies. Some guys just have a shelf life that's much shorter because of this pounding.

I think Deron is 75% done.

[fdr2012]

The Bulls 3 point defense is good, but their guard penetration defense is awful. If you have guards who don't settle for jumpers and attack the basket, both in halfcourt and transition, they are easy to beat. Just don't settle for outside jumpers.

Everything about that team is over-rated. They are really garbage, but the Celtics/Niets are worse garbage.

[ibraheim718]

I do think looking at it now.. King made a mistake bringing Watson in to back up the point... he's not a change of pace.. they need a young, quick PG to back up Williams.

Maybe so, but we can't point to that as the cause of Deron's problems.

Great players don't need all the stars to be aligned to be great. In fact, they'll thrive no matter what -- if they're truly elite.

I don't think it's purely injuries either. A body that's in shape can overcome injuries (or won't have them in the first place). I think physical decline is always the center of a player's decline. But that is not quite the same as saying "Bad luck and injuries did him in." The NBA game is brutal on these guys' bodies. Some guys just have a shelf life that's much shorter because of this pounding.

I think Deron is 75% done.

He's 28.. I'm not going there quite yet.

When Melo was hurt last year he struggled. Kobe by his own admission is on record saying the last year Phil was coaching the Lakers that he was hurt and couldn't give Phil 100%.

Athletes need to be at optimal health to play at optimal levels. That's a fact to me.. that's just how it is.

With Williams... a player who never really relied on physical abilities other than being a pretty big NBA pg he's not just going to fall off the way people are thinking he's going to. He should've gotten the ankle scoped as soon as they knew he needed it and he shouldn't have played in London.

I only needed to watch him play for a few minutes this year to see there was something wrong. I think he's going to be fine in the long run.. he's got plenty of good years and good basketball left in him once he gets that ankle scoped and is then able to train at full strength.

[boomann21]

Well I retract my statement from earlier. Westbrook came back and dominated the rest of that game. He has 20 8 and 8

[Thugger HBC]

I do think looking at it now.. King made a mistake bringing Watson in to back up the point... he's not a change of pace.. they need a young, quick PG to back up Williams.

Maybe so, but we can't point to that as the cause of Deron's problems.

Great players don't need all the stars to be aligned to be great. In fact, they'll thrive no matter what -- if they're truly elite.

I don't think it's purely injuries either. A body that's in shape can overcome injuries (or won't have them in the first place). I think physical decline is always the center of a player's decline. But that is not quite the same as saying "Bad luck and injuries did him in." The NBA game is brutal on these guys' bodies. Some guys just have a shelf life that's much shorter because of this pounding.

I think Deron is 75% done.

He's 28.. I'm not going there quite yet.

When Melo was hurt last year he struggled. Kobe by his own admission is on record saying the last year Phil was coaching the Lakers that he was hurt and couldn't give Phil 100%.

Athletes need to be at optimal health to play at optimal levels. That's a fact to me.. that's just how it is.

With Williams... a player who never really relied on physical abilities other than being a pretty big NBA pg he's not just going to fall off the way people are thinking he's going to. He should've gotten the ankle scoped as soon as they knew he needed it and he shouldn't have played in London.

I only needed to watch him play for a few minutes this year to see there was something wrong. I think he's going to be fine in the long run.. he's got plenty of good years and good basketball left in him once he gets that ankle scoped and is then able to train at full strength.

He needs to sit down if that's the case.

i don't buy the optimal health level, some guys are clearly hurting but can play through it...Kobe is one of them.

Deron's entire game took a nose, even when compared to Melo his shooting was the only part affected to an extent, with a number of injuries as well.

It's mental imo of Deron, the pressure is on, no longer shielded in the dim lights of Utah, and certainly not with the same caliber of talent they had there, and don't have a coach with a system that maxed his talents.

[fdr2012]

Do the injuries explain Deron being fat and out-of-shape? Are the injuries making him eat more?

[ibraheim718]

Do the injuries explain Deron being fat and out-of-shape? Are the injuries making him eat more?

How is he fat and out of shape? He played in Turkey during the lock out, the strike shortened season, the London Olympics, and the first third of this season...

[ibraheim718]

He needs to sit down if that's the case.

i don't buy the optimal health level, some guys are clearly hurting but can play through it...Kobe is one of them.

Deron's entire game took a nose, even when compared to Melo his shooting was the only part affected to an extent, with a number of injuries as well.

It's mental imo of Deron, the pressure is on, no longer shielded in the dim lights of Utah, and certainly not with the same caliber of talent they had there, and don't have a coach with a system that maxed his talents.

And yet he's putting up 16 and 8... And admittedly by him or the media he's having the worst year of his career.

[ibraheim718]

It's par for the course.. this is the same board that called a former finals MVP a chucking bum.

[fdr2012]

Do the injuries explain Deron being fat and out-of-shape? Are the injuries making him eat more?

How is he fat and out of shape? He played in Turkey during the lock out, the strike shortened season, the London Olympics, and the first third of this season...

I don't know "how", but he just is. It's obvious from looking at him. He's fat and out of shape. You do realize that you can play and still eat big macs, do you?

[ibraheim718]

Do the injuries explain Deron being fat and out-of-shape? Are the injuries making him eat more?

How is he fat and out of shape? He played in Turkey during the lock out, the strike shortened season, the London Olympics, and the first third of this season...

I don't know "how", but he just is. It's obvious from looking at him. He's fat and out of shape. You do realize that you can play and still eat big macs, do you?

You realize the guy has bum ankles right? But no it couldn't possibly be that... has to be the big macs.

[fdr2012]

You realize the guy has bum ankles right? But no it couldn't possibly be that... has to be the big macs.

You realize that excess weight causes joint injuries, do you? but it can't possibly be that... When you have bum ankles/knees, the first thing you do it lose weight, but Deron is still the heaviest since he came into this league. So yeah, it's the big macs.

There is no excuse for a professional athlete being fat. Go peddle these garbage excuses someplace else.

[ibraheim718]

You realize the guy has bum ankles right? But no it couldn't possibly be that... has to be the big macs.

You realize that excess weight causes joint injuries, do you? but it can't possibly be that... When you have bum ankles/knees, the first thing you do it lose weight, but Deron is still the heaviest since he came into this league. So yeah, it's the big macs.

There is no excuse for a professional athlete being fat. Go peddle these garbage excuses someplace else.

You're hilarious... never mind trying to like maybe stay off the bum ankle or bum knee so it heals... run it to the ground to lose those mysterious pounds he supposedly has gained. And smart ass he's weighed a shade over 200lbs his whole career.

And you can kiss the crack of my ass because I'll peddle anything in the hell I want to peddle here and there ain't two damn things you're going to do about it is there? So STFU and have a happy new year.

[gaspar]

Remember this guy?

[Bran Fast Hands]

If D Will is fat then theres a few obese guys in the league.