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[Ballerbt]

Im a die hard celtics fan, and we r struggling and u guys r sort of struggling, so i know this is kinda stupid it is just an idea but do you guys think this trade will work? like woudl u take it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cy2yoz9

[Jersey Generals]

I would probably do it. The thing is, though, one of the Nets problems is that they have no go-to guy: Brook can't create, Joe Johnson just doesn't have it (never did, probably), and Deron Williams is a bucket of suck. However, Williams does have that potential, which makes Rondo's playmaking and defense kind of null since we'd run into the same problems, ie: having no one to carry the offense in the closing minutes.

[DarkXaero]

No, I would wait at least until next season to see what level Deron is at. I don't think he will stay at this level past this season. Even last year, surrounded by D-Leaguers and playing in a horrible environment, he was playing much better basketball than he is now (21 & 9, on bad efficiency though). Right now, he gets outplayed by his matchup almost every night. I do believe that he can get back to his top 10 form (if he becomes healthy again and gains back his confidence), and if that remains a possibility, then you don't pull a trigger on a trade like this.

At the same time, I kinda doubt that majority of the Celtics fans would do this trade. Deron is playing really horrible right now.

[Ballerbt]

At the same time, I kinda doubt that majority of the Celtics fans would do this trade. Deron is playing really horrible right now.

Yes would, rondo is a baby, get to fustrated, and get injured too much. Oh and don't forget about the fact that he doesn't want to be here

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't like it but it's been discussed before and it isn't crazy, it has it's merits.

I have Rondo having the better season by far this year and yet I still struggle to insert him in my top 20 players overall.

I have Deron having a god awful season to his standards and a solid above average season overall by point guard standards and still struggle to take him out of my top 30 players and at worst have him at about 35th overall.

To me therein lies the problem. Rondo and Deron are what they are, so even if Deron's fallen off for good, it's probably not to the awful level he's at now and Rondo is just about at his absolute ceiling, so at best I think of this as a lateral move.

So then if it really is the injuries and his mental state causing this for Deron this season, which are fixed by two minor surgeries in the offseason and regaining confidence when his physical abilities are back completely by next November or early December at worst and he looks like this top 10 beast of a player again, especially in a great system like Doc's, while Rondo at best is just about where he is this year? Then you're not only looking foolish but feeling like a real schmuck knowing what you did.

[Paradise]

No. I wouldn't. That's a knee jerk trade and Rondo's scoring comes from the attention the players around him get, Deron isn't the only one shooting bad on this team which then makes it harder for him to get the same attention. Rondo would probably struggle too.

So, basically it's a trade that is lateral and probably ends up working for Boston than us.

[Jersey Generals]

Rondo's scoring comes from the attention the players around him get

I assume you mean Rondo's play in general, which I can only say no it doesn't. This isn't 2008 anymore; Rondo is a good point guard, even on his own.

[Paradise]

Rondo's scoring comes from the attention the players around him get

I assume you mean Rondo's play in general, which I can only say no it doesn't. This isn't 2008 anymore; Rondo is a good point guard, even on his own.

His numbers are improved this season but again, he's not going to get you 20ppg when you need it every night like Deron is supposed to do. Especially from outside the rim. If that were the case, Rondo would have picked up the slack Pierce and KG are showing in the last 7 to 10 games.

[Ronito]

Yes, I would.

[vincecarter4pres]

Rondo's scoring comes from the attention the players around him get

I assume you mean Rondo's play in general, which I can only say no it doesn't. This isn't 2008 anymore; Rondo is a good point guard, even on his own.

His numbers are improved this season but again, he's not going to get you 20ppg when you need it every night like Deron is supposed to do. Especially from outside the rim. If that were the case, Rondo would have picked up the slack Pierce and KG are showing in the last 7 to 10 games.

Yeah but Rondo isn't a player that needs to score. You just run more motion and pick and roll and let him go to work setting guys up. Brook probably sees his scoring uptick some and get more efficient and JJ looks for his shot more as well.

Sure, a lot of that comes back to what we've been talking about with coaches and system just like with Deron, but if anything a point guard like Rondo who shouldn't be looking to score much almost forces whoever is coaching the team's hand.

Rondo is a lot like Kidd where he can impact a game a lot without scoring.

When people call him the new Kidd I absolutely cringe, cause he isn't anywhere close to that actual level and doesn't possess anywhere in the same stratosphere to Kidd's intangibles and leadership skills.

But in actual style of more so area of impact, the way he controls a game he is similar, though I'd say Rondo might be a touch better running a half court set and not nearly the same player as Kidd in transition.

But point being, what does it matter if Rondo can't get you 20ppg like Deron? That's not his game or his style and he wouldn't be used as such.

[therealbig3]

The issue is that Rondo can't consistently score 20+ ppg, even if he wanted to, unless he wanted to be ridiculously inefficient. Utah Deron, outside of 2011, never actually scored 20+ ppg. But he could if the defense tried to take away everyone else. IMO, an "elite" PG should be able to be a dual threat as a scorer and a passer, so that if he needs to, he can carry the scoring load. Shouldn't ask him to do it consistently, but for stretches or even for a game here and there, a PG should be able to do that.

And imo, Kidd is a huge aberration in terms of his ability to impact a game even though he was an unreliable scoring threat. His defensive impact and his ability to rebound and be a one-man fastbreak is almost unprecedented...and he also had some shooting ability, even if he wasn't as good in his prime as he is now as a shooter.

Basically, Kidd's style of play doesn't typically lend itself to high impact from the PG position...but Kidd was so good at everything outside of scoring that he was a high impact player. Because Rondo plays the same way as Kidd, but doesn't do the non-scoring things like Kidd, he's not a high impact player imo.

[MrDollarBills]

I wouldn't even think twice about it.

[jerseyjac]

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