Redo the Jazz roster

[StocktonShorts]

A deep roster is a curse when you are trying to develop players, and in my opinion, this has been KOC's biggest mistake. He gave a weak and insecure coach two crutches, and until he yanks them away, the coach will never learn to walk or run correctly.

This is a great way of describing the situation.

[reapaman]

A deep roster is a curse when you are trying to develop players, and in my opinion, this has been KOC's biggest mistake. He gave a weak and insecure coach two crutches, and until he yanks them away, the coach will never learn to walk or run correctly.

Huh? That doesn't make any sense. He was told by the FO to win now, they said nothing about developing their players. The team kept there "best" vets, brought in more vets on rental contracts, and didn't bring any young guys besides murphy. That is not a team thats too interested in their future.

The Jazz have always been a team where young guys must wait their turn and earn their playing time. Even deron had to earn it. The deeper roster just makes it harder for players to do that and thats the FO fault not corbin. Take burks who is now starting to get playing time as guys are starting to get injured. Corbin really isn't doing things differently than sloan who also would "overplay" vets even when they played bad. It just may feel that Corbins doing something different because you guys are angry with the performance of the team and he's an easy target. I mean we could have Larry Brown then Favors, Kanter and Burks wouldn't see the light of day. Hayward probley would tho.

[Inigo Montoya]

No one on the team is untouchable. But if there is one thing we have learned over the past few years, its that Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap will not take us to the promised land. Both are great guys, but its time for both to move on. I really believe that the only way this Jazz team gets better is 1. Al and Paul need to go, and 2. Coach Corbin needs to either be fired (my preference) or the front office needs to structure his roster such that his only option is to develop the youth.

A deep roster is a curse when you are trying to develop players, and in my opinion, this has been KOC's biggest mistake. He gave a weak and insecure coach two crutches, and until he yanks them away, the coach will never learn to walk or run correctly.

We are about a month away from the Jazz being out of serious playoff contention, and once that happens, I expect a personnel move or two. Cousins scares me to death, but if the price is right, that's a gamble you might need to take. As far as PG goes, I don't think that gets solved this season. The Jazz were too chicken to pony up Millsap in the offseason in order to get above the Blazers on draft day and take Lilliard. That mistake will haunt them for years. Maybe there is another PG prospect in the draft, maybe there's a trade out there for someone else, but I'm pretty sure the Jazz PG of the future will not be on the roster this season.

I don't believe there is a quick fix for this team, and until we finally cut the cord on Al and Paul, mediocrity is the BEST we can hope for.

i really don't understand why because the jazz failed to trade into the high lottery, people think they were not trying or that they were "too chicken" to offer players like millsap, especially since during the time around the draft and draft day, the word was that the jazz were making millsap available all day every day.

the fact of the matter is that no other team in the league managed to trade its way into the top 10 of that draft, and houston only managed to move up two spots from 14 to 12. why do we automatically think that if we offer\ offered millsap to portland or sacramento, they will say yes? given all that we know, the jazz did offer millsap and were turned down. the kings have financial problems and preferred to keep their pick and use it on a player similar to millsap but on a rookie contract, while the blazers did their homework. they weren't clueless and obviously knew that taking lillard (also on a rookie contract which helps the blazers with their cap management this season) is a better option than trading their pick for a would be backup player on the last year of his deal. people aren't stupid.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I hope we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, which could happen if the Jazz don't play significant minutes of combos with young and old. I still would like to see sap and Foye on the second unit (but perhaps playing 20+mins per game) and Hayward and Favors with the starters. The organization needs to see if this combo will work so as to be able to commit to Al and/or Mo.

If this combo doesn't work, then a different approach might be needed, although the thought of tanking for a year or two while the young guys get experience seems eerily familiar to Sacramento, Washington, Charlotte, etc. If the Jazz could be a bottom 2 team in the 2014 draft they might get a superstar, but I doubt they sink that low.

[jazzgasm]

Just fire Corbin and i would be pleased with the season

[The59Sound]

Nice post, Montoya. Fans do have a tendency to assume that we could've swung a deal, but just didn't, every time we're disappointed that something didn't happen.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

First things first... Get rid of Corbin and hire Nate McMillan. Sorry Ty but you just haven't got it in you to be a head coach for a contending team.

Keepers/Mostly Untouchables: Favors, Kanter and Hayward.
Tweeners: Burks, Evans, Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, Tinsley, Watson, Foye, Murphy and Carroll.
Trade Pieces/Goners: Millsap and Jefferson.

I'd like to see Darren Collison on this team. I'd do a Collison and Marion for Millsap and Bell swap or just sign him straight out in the off-season.

Wouldn't hate making a play for Danny Granger either.

I'd probably be willing to gamble on Cousins if we had a different coach who I think could handle him *cough* Nate McMillan *cough*. I also think we should make a move for Jimmer if the price is right. I know pretty much everyone here hates him but he's had a much improved season and we can always use an outside shooter/young PG prospect.

I'd make a play for Al Horford too if he's available. Not sure what ATL's plan is though....

Wouldn't hate a move for Jeremy Lin either.

[Inigo Montoya]

First things first... Get rid of Corbin and hire Nate McMillan. Sorry Ty but you just haven't got it in you to be a head coach for a contending team.

Keepers/Mostly Untouchables: Favors, Kanter and Hayward.
Tweeners: Burks, Evans, Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, Tinsley, Watson, Foye, Murphy and Carroll.
Trade Pieces/Goners: Millsap and Jefferson.

I'd like to see Darren Collison on this team. I'd do a Collison and Marion for Millsap and Bell swap or just sign him straight out in the off-season.

Wouldn't hate making a play for Danny Granger either.

I'd probably be willing to gamble on Cousins if we had a different coach who I think could handle him *cough* Nate McMillan *cough*. I also think we should make a move for Jimmer if the price is right. I know pretty much everyone here hates him but he's had a much improved season and we can always use an outside shooter/young PG prospect.

I'd make a play for Al Horford too if he's available. Not sure what ATL's plan is though....

Wouldn't hate a move for Jeremy Lin either.

1. how do you know ty doesn't have it in him to be a coach on a contending team? it's not like we are one. maybe you meant he doesn't have it in him to be a coach of a playoff contending team, in which case you are wrong since he took us to the playoffs last year. he is underwhelming though.

2. cousins, jimmer, lin, collison.... i don't see them create a contending team. collison lost his starting job to freaking derrek fisher who was inactive and 400 years old (after losing it to george hill). lin is overpaid and also quite average. just wait for the draft man.

wouldn't mind to see jimmer here though, in some capacity. no need for cousins with favors and kanter in 2 years.

[kebutah]

I do not believe we need another guard (Jimmer) who is a defensive liability against every opponent. We already have Foye for that. We need a PG who is distributor first.

[Inigo Montoya]

i was thinking of jimmer instead of foye for next year. not as a leading point guard though, but as a catch and shoot player to complement our post game with his outside shot. tinsley, watson, mo, and foye all are probably gone next year, so there will be plenty of room for him.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

1. how do you know ty doesn't have it in him to be a coach on a contending team? it's not like we are one. maybe you meant he doesn't have it in him to be a coach of a playoff contending team, in which case you are wrong since he took us to the playoffs last year. he is underwhelming though.

2. cousins, jimmer, lin, collison.... i don't see them create a contending team. collison lost his starting job to freaking derrek fisher who was inactive and 400 years old (after losing it to george hill). lin is overpaid and also quite average. just wait for the draft man.

wouldn't mind to see jimmer here though, in some capacity. no need for cousins with favors and kanter in 2 years.

1. It doesn't take a genius to see that Corbin isn't cutting it as a head coach. He's been awful.

2. They don't make us contenders right away but they all have the potential to make us better and they fill a need. Saying Collison lost his starting job to Fisher is way off... Collison was benched for his issues with the coaching staff and ended up scoring 30 something points the first game back in the starting lineup.

[Inigo Montoya]

well, the hornets managed without him, and so did the pacers where he lost his starting job to hill and then traded. i don't know about issues with the coaching staff - i do know they were happy with him in the beginning of the season, and when they signed fisher, collison became a backup and said he didn't get a fair shot as a starter:

Asked if he thought he got a fair chance to prove what he could do as a starter, Collison said: “I don’t think so. But it’s not my decision. I can’t answer that because it’s not my decision. Regardless of how I feel about the whole situation, at the end of the day, it is what it is. I can thrive in any situation as long as I’m playing basketball and I’m trying to help us win the game, I can be effective.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/darren-collison-got-a-fair-shot-and-will-continue-to-despite-what-he-thinks.html

either way, he is a marginal, average PG. i don't see why we should get him - even the mavs only got him because he was on a cheap, short-term contract. do you really see him as a long term answer to the starting PG position here? if that's what is out there (and it pretty much is), just draft a PG. if that doesn't work out for some reason - players like collison aren't tough to find in today's league.