Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[Deivy202]

Nate you mean deneem4 wants perkins.
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I just want Cousins- D will or baragini and get rid of Nene and Okefor . We are without a doubt horrible but amazingly enough those two are increasing there values . When can we trade march ? .

[gambitx777]

We can trade at any time, unless the player has a trade restriction on them, the only players that we can not trade are mack and temple. But, that restriction is up 3 months after we signed them.

[Deivy202]

I herd two days ago we had interest in cousins but kings dont wanna trade him. But highly enough we could be very possible to get him per usa and hoops world . But again kings are saying they wont trade him............................


we should trade nene or okefor while there value is pretty good "HECK" some might disagree but if we could trade Beal for Cousins straight up and draft Muhummad to play SF our lineup would be much better.

Wall
Crawford
Muhummad
Cousins
Nene

And we would still have the ability to trade okefor for maybe a back up PG or SG or picks.

I want cousins bad guys and i want us to draft a big man with the first pick when we get rid of okefor or nene .

[nate33]

It's pretty obvious to me that Cousins wants out and Sacramento wants to get rid of him, but they of course don't want him to go for pennies on the dollar. For that reason, I don't see a trade happening anytime soon. We've probably extended a lowball offer and Sacramento has probably rejected it in hopes of getting a better deal from someone else.

Sacramento has no need to rush. My guess is that they'll wait to see if they can start a bidding war. Cousins probably won't be dealt until the Trade Deadline.

My guess is that if push comes to shove, they'd trade him to us for Seraphin plus a top 10 protected first rather than keep him for another year. The only issue is whether or not someone else comes along with a better package. We're going to have to wait to find out.

In a nutshell, we need to be patient. If Sacramento agrees to a deal right now, it's because we are offering too much.

[miller31time]

It's pretty obvious to me that Cousins wants out and Sacramento wants to get rid of him, but they of course don't want him to go for pennies on the dollar. For that reason, I don't see a trade happening anytime soon. We've probably extended a lowball offer and Sacramento has probably rejected it in hopes of getting a better deal from someone else.

Sacramento has no need to rush. My guess is that they'll wait to see if they can start a bidding war. Cousins probably won't be dealt until the Trade Deadline.

My guess is that if push comes to shove, they'd trade him to us for Seraphin plus a top 10 protected first rather than keep him for another year. The only issue is whether or not someone else comes along with a better package. We're going to have to wait to find out.

In a nutshell, we need to be patient. If Sacramento agrees to a deal right now, it's because we are offering too much.

Agreed. It's also a near certainty that another team will offer more than we're willing to pay. We're not the only people who see the tremendous potential in Cousins, nor are we the only people who feel that our franchise may be able to change his troubled ways. But other than offering an unprotected 1st, I think other teams have us beat fairly easily with what they'd be willing to offer.

Our team is terrible and so are our players. The only real tradable value we have right now is our pick which, correct me if I'm wrong, we'd only deal if protected.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

It's pretty obvious to me that Cousins wants out and Sacramento wants to get rid of him, but they of course don't want him to go for pennies on the dollar. For that reason, I don't see a trade happening anytime soon. We've probably extended a lowball offer and Sacramento has probably rejected it in hopes of getting a better deal from someone else.

Sacramento has no need to rush. My guess is that they'll wait to see if they can start a bidding war. Cousins probably won't be dealt until the Trade Deadline.

My guess is that if push comes to shove, they'd trade him to us for Seraphin plus a top 10 protected first rather than keep him for another year. The only issue is whether or not someone else comes along with a better package. We're going to have to wait to find out.

In a nutshell, we need to be patient. If Sacramento agrees to a deal right now, it's because we are offering too much.

Agreed. It's also a near certainty that another team will offer more than we're willing to pay. We're not the only people who see the tremendous potential in Cousins, nor are we the only people who feel that our franchise may be able to change his troubled ways. But other than offering an unprotected 1st, I think other teams have us beat fairly easily with what they'd be willing to offer.

Our team is terrible and so are our players. The only real tradable value we have right now is our pick which, correct me if I'm wrong, we'd only deal if protected.

Exactly! That's why I don't get some posters who propose ridiculous trades. John Wall is the only player on this team with superstar potential. I really don't see what most posters see in Seraphin. He's a VERY low IQ player. Make him put the ball on the floor or bring a double team and it's a definite turnover, can't rebound or get to the foul line, etc. Let's not get to Ves, Singleton, even Beal hasn't shown anything special so far. Personally, I would always trade a guard for a big with superstar potential, so Beal is also tradeable. Let's be honest, if we redid the draft, every sane person would pick Drummond or Lillard at #3.

[Hassassin]

Ariza and Vesely for Bargnani?

[nate33]

Ariza and Vesely for Bargnani?

There's no room for Bargnani and his $10.75M a year contract on a team that has Nene ($13M a year), Okafor ($14M a year) and Seraphin.

Go try and dump Bargnani someplace else.

[Hassassin]

Ariza and Vesely for Bargnani?

There's no room for Bargnani and his $10.75M a year contract on a team that has Nene ($13M a year), Okafor ($14M a year) and Seraphin.

Go try and dump Bargnani someplace else.

Okafor for Bargnani also works but I assume there won't be too much interest in that deal.

[nate33]

Ariza and Vesely for Bargnani?

There's no room for Bargnani and his $10.75M a year contract on a team that has Nene ($13M a year), Okafor ($14M a year) and Seraphin.

Go try and dump Bargnani someplace else.

Okafor for Bargnani also works but I assume there won't be too much interest in that deal.

That actually would be more preferable, but you are correct in that there isn't much interest. The Wizards, like Toronto, are in tank mode at this point. We don't want Bargnani for the same reasons you are trying to get rid of him.

[Nivek]

I'd have zero interest in Bargnani if he played for free and mowed my lawn on weekends.

He's a 7-foot Nick Young, minus the efficiency.

Wizards don't need another guy who's not good.

Plus, he's signed for 3 more years.

I sympathize with your plight, but I wouldn't trade for him. Good luck dumping him.

[miller31time]

If we can't trade Okafor and Ariza for expiring contracts, I wonder if the Lakers would be interested in a swap of Okafor/Vesely for Pau Gasol.

Pau has the same number of years on his contract as Okariza so, under the assumption there aren't better moves to be made, I could see this as a good stopgap option for bringing this franchise back to respectability.

Gasol is having a terrible season (otherwise he wouldn't be on the trading block) but remains an excellent passer and capable scorer. I truly believe the situation in Los Angeles has turned a bit toxic and the pressure on Pau to get the Lakers to where they should be has him playing sub par. A change of scenery to a low-key setting might just be what he needs to put up the numbers we're all accustomed to seeing from him.

Having a PF/C rotation of Pau and Nene really opens up a lot of options for our offense. Both are passing big men with the ability to knock down the mid-range shot. Both play extremely well within a team concept and have high BBIQs. I think they'd make both each other and the perimeter players on the Wiz look a whole lot better.

Wall/Mack
Beal/Crawford
Ariza/Webster/Singleton
Gasol/Booker
Nene/Seraphin

[LyricalRico]

^ I'd do that, but I'm not sure how interested LA would be in Okafor. He wouldn't play much behind Dwight Howard and they can't play together because it would kill D'Antoni's offense.

[Hassassin]

There's no room for Bargnani and his $10.75M a year contract on a team that has Nene ($13M a year), Okafor ($14M a year) and Seraphin.

Go try and dump Bargnani someplace else.

Okafor for Bargnani also works but I assume there won't be too much interest in that deal.

That actually would be more preferable, but you are correct in that there isn't much interest. The Wizards, like Toronto, are in tank mode at this point. We don't want Bargnani for the same reasons you are trying to get rid of him.

The funny thing is.. the Raptors are actually trying to win games now

Okafor might be a good fit for the Raptors because interior D is an issue.

Looks like it will come down to the amnesty waiver clause.

[montestewart]

An amnestied Bargnani, available at minimum or not much more, will find his way to a contender. Like Blatche, he has something to contribute his salry seems to force him into a larger role than he can actually play on a winner. As a complimentary front court role player, Bargnani could actually contribute to a winner.

[payitforward]

An amnestied Bargnani, available at minimum or not much more, will find his way to a contender. Like Blatche, he has something to contribute his salry seems to force him into a larger role than he can actually play on a winner. As a complimentary front court role player, Bargnani could actually contribute to a winner.

No. He's a bad player. That means he contributes to losing not to winning. Can't help anyone.

Blatche is contributing in NJ because he is playing well. He's playing signficantly better ball than he ever played here in 7 years.

[gambitx777]

we should, for no reason, trade for A.B. if we comes up once he is amnestied and we can grab him for a couple of mill a year for 2,3 years then yeah but not now!

[Nivek]

To emphasize payitforward's point about Bargnani being a bad player... Here's a comparison of Bargnani to the NBA average player:

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STAT    BARG    AVG
MPG     32.8    23.0
Usg     24%     20%
efg     .445    .490
2pt%    .431    .475
3pt%    .319    .357
ft%     .828    .755
ortg    94.0    105.2
Reb     5.4     7.0
Ast     1.7     3.6
Stl     0.7     1.3
Blk     0.9     0.9
Tov     2.2     2.3
PF      2.5     3.3
Pts     19.9    16.1
PPA     54      100


The stats are per 40 minutes and are adjusted for pace. Bargnani is average at blocking shots and committing turnovers. He's above average in -- using possessions, free throw percentage and scoring. Of course, his scoring is "above average" because he uses so many possessions.

Bargnani gets about the same rebounds per 40 minutes as Jordan Crawford.

[montestewart]

An amnestied Bargnani, available at minimum or not much more, will find his way to a contender. Like Blatche, he has something to contribute his salry seems to force him into a larger role than he can actually play on a winner. As a complimentary front court role player, Bargnani could actually contribute to a winner.

No. He's a bad player. That means he contributes to losing not to winning. Can't help anyone.

Blatche is contributing in NJ because he is playing well. He's playing signficantly better ball than he ever played here in 7 years.

Blatche is playing much better than almost anyone here ever thought he would. It might have something to do with his switching from almost exclusively a starting PF to almost exclusively a backup C, not only the changed role but a change in thinking about his role. I've only seen him play a few times this year, but he seemed to roam much closer to the basket on both ends, getting easier (shorter) shots and being in a position to play defense such as he only occasionally did in DC.

Bargnani sucks as a starting C. As a stretch big, I could see him being used effectively in selected match ups as a reserve scorer (which is the only thing I imagine he'll help with). If he's amnestied, we'll find out, because someone likely will give him a shot. And it better not be the Wizards. We already tried that with Yi.

PS: In thinking about Bargnani, I'm looking more at his career numbers. If the this year's numbers reflect a permanent decline in Bargnani's shooting, and a change in role and environment won't alter that decline, then yes, he likely has nothing to contribute. But some team still will probably take a chance at the minimum.

[Nivek]

Blatche is better because he's actually doing what some of us were recommending -- he changed his game. His shots are coming from closer range, and he's shooting a better percentage from that range. His long 2pt attempts are down 50% even as he's shooting them better than he ever has in his career. Whether this significant change in how he plays the game is because of coaching or a personal decision or because he read some message board, the net result is that he's far more efficient offensively than he's ever been even as his usage has gone up.

It's not like Blatche is doing the same things in Brooklyn that he was doing in DC. He's a different guy. I give him credit for making the change and showing what most of us thought he was capable of doing -- if only he'd have changed. He probably needed to hit the rock bottom of being amnestied to do it, but he still deserves credit for changing.