Trade Targets

Post #601 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 7:25 pm

jerseyjac wrote:
AntwanBoldin wrote:Jj hickson can roll to the rim

PM Sent

fefe22 · Post #602 » by **fefe22** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 7:31 pm

jerseyjac wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/tag/_/name/luxury-tax

Man I dunno, maybe I am the only one thinking this way...Prokhy is already paying 11.49 million in tax money what the hell is the difference if he is paying another 10 million...if he wanted AK he could of had him, he made 10 million before he woke up yesterday...come on now...

If Dwight was signed, he was looking at 145 million smack...correct me if I am wrong going off the link below...

I had this bookmarked not exactly sure if 100% accurate...
http://www.businessinsider.com/nets-lux ... ade-2012-7

I like your conspiracy theory, but it is a pretty outlandish scenario...

It's not about Proky paying 10 mill more lux tax money, it is about salary cap rules.
After signing Teletovic, we only had veteran minimums to offer because of CBA rules.
Even for Teletovic we weren't allowed to pay more than the 3 mill per year mini-MLE, beause we are a tax paying team.

To be able to get 10 million under the salary cap, we would have had to renounce our bird rights to Humphries, Wallace AND Lopez too.
That's how expensive JJ and Deron are by themselves.

Obviously, we didn't want Kirilenko more than Hump + Crash + Lopez

This is a soft salary cap, you can go over it with trades (for tax paying teams the incoming salaries can be 125% +100K of the outgoing salaries), but you can not sign free agents outside of the yearly MLE exeption, and vet minimum contracts.

Post #603 » by **jerseyjac** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 7:51 pm

fefe22 wrote:
jerseyjac wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/tag/_/name/luxury-tax

Man I dunno, maybe I am the only one thinking this way...Prokhy is already paying 11.49 million in tax money what the hell is the difference if he is paying another 10 million...if he wanted AK he could of had him, he made 10 million before he woke up yesterday...come on now...

If Dwight was signed, he was looking at 145 million smack...correct me if I am wrong going off the link below...

I had this bookmarked not exactly sure if 100% accurate...
http://www.businessinsider.com/nets-lux ... ade-2012-7

I like your conspiracy theory, but it is a pretty outlandish scenario...

It's not about Proky paying 10 mill more lux tax money, it is about salary cap rules.
After signing Teletovic, we only had veteran minimums to offer because of CBA rules.
Even for Teletovic we weren't allowed to pay more than the 3 mill per year mini-MLE, beause we are a tax paying team.

To be able to get 10 million under the salary cap, we would have had to renounce our bird rights to Humphries, Wallace AND Lopez too.
That's how expensive JJ and Deron are by themselves.

Obviously, we didn't want Kirilenko more than Hump + Crash + Lopez

This is a soft salary cap, you can go over it with trades (for tax paying teams the incoming salaries can be 125% +100K of the outgoing salaries), but you can not sign free agents outside of the yearly MLE exeption, and vet minimum contracts.

Thank you sir, I stand corrected with my assumption based off of trades, VC never explains anything to me...Been meaning to check in with Larry... :wink:

fefe22 · Post #604 » by **fefe22** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 8:06 pm

jerseyjac wrote:Thank you sir, I stand corrected with my assumption based off of trades, VC never explains anything to me...Been meaning to check in with Larry...

That's what my my conspiracy theory is about.
Since we couldn't get AK as a FA, we asked another team with capspace to sign him, so we can trade for him mid-season.
The 3 year 30 mill deal that Minny gave to Kirilenko came out of nowhere, and looked pretty outlandish at that time, as he had no other big offers, and he was reportedly contemplating our vet min offer. Accidentally, Minny owns another russian guy, who we probably want to acquire, Shved.

We obviously resigned Hump to be a trade chip later.
We have a lot of draft picks, and rights to Bogdanovic, which all might be interesting for Minny.

It turns out that AK and Shved are playing much better for them than expected, and that might drive up the price (which according to my totally baseless conspiracy theory was agreed already in the summer)

Post #605 » by **jerseyjac** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 8:27 pm

fefe22 wrote:
jerseyjac wrote:Thank you sir, I stand corrected with my assumption based off of trades, VC never explains anything to me...Been meaning to check in with Larry...

That's what my my conspiracy theory is about.
Since we couldn't get AK as a FA, we asked another team with capspace to sign him, so we can trade for him mid-season.
The 3 year 30 mill deal that Minny gave to Kirilenko came out of nowhere, and looked pretty outlandish at that time, as he had no other big offers, and he was reportedly contemplating our vet min offer. Accidentally, Minny owns another russian guy, who we probably want to acquire, Shved.

We obviously resigned Hump to be a trade chip later.
We have a lot of draft picks, and rights to Bogdanovic, which all might be interesting for Minny.

I got all that...

It turns out that AK and Shved are playing much better for them than expected, and that might drive up the price (which according to my totally baseless conspiracy theory was agreed already in the summer )

I know how well the they are playing which would obviously drive up the asking price, but why would Minny even consider Hump, Brooks, rights and some late first rounders when they are trying to make the playoffs themselves, etc...

And what was agreed on in the summer?

AntwanBoldin · Post #606 » by **AntwanBoldin** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 8:52 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
jerseyjac wrote:
AntwanBoldin wrote:Jj hickson can roll to the rim

PM Sent

Trade target thread

He's set to be a FA, Portland is going nowhere. We need a 4 who can finish at the rim .

Post #607 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 8:59 pm

Wasn't laughing AT you bro...just laughing at JJ's reaction.

In all honesty, we need a lot of things, but first and foremost, we need proper rotations on defense and guys who can hit shots at a consistent clip.

Post #608 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 10:27 pm

Was on the Lakers board and I found this nugget.

The subject is about what the Lakers would get in return if they traded Dwight:

Mamba Venom wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:He'd get us Brook Lopez or anyone on the rockets not named Lin or Harden. >.>

He would get us Lin + Harden + some other players
He would get us D-Wil + Lopez (Lopez is about the worst contract in the league)

Dwight has SERIOUS value.

Paradise · Post #609 » by **Paradise** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 10:46 pm

So, a big man who averages 22ppg, 9.8 rebounds, 2.8 blocks on 51% FG shooting, 54 TS%, 103 Defensive RTG, 2.5 Win Shares....Is one of the worst contracts in the league?

And they think Gasol averaging 13ppg, 9 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 41% FG shooting, 48TS%, 105 Defensive RTG, 1.7 Win Shares is going to get them Kevin Love or Josh Smith

I think that's all you need to know.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #610 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Wed Jan 2, 2013 11:35 pm

Lakers fans are living in a fantasy world.

rj2496 · Post #611 » by **rj2496** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 1:03 am

Can't really blame them for thinking like that though, as they continuously rip off teams in trades.

vincecarter4pres · Post #612 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:00 am

NyCeEvO wrote:Was on the Lakers board and I found this nugget.

I have a bunch of **** bookmarked by Mr. Mamba Venom from this summer just waiting til late January when I bump like 3 threads on the GB.

Post #613 » by **NyCeEvO** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:18 am

rj2496 wrote:Can't really blame them for thinking like that though, as they continuously rip off teams in trades.

It's one thing to rip off teams. It's another thing to devalue assets and not have a clue about a player's worth.

Travis Outlaw on 5yr/$35mil was arguably the worst contract in the league.

Brook Lopez is nowhere near the worst contract.

JoseRizal · Post #614 » by **JoseRizal** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:22 am

rj2496 wrote:Can't really blame them for thinking like that though, as they continuously rip off teams in trades.

Haha! I couldn't agree more... :lol:

nycefnl · Post #615 » by **nycefnl** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:42 am

Humphries for Lamar Odoms

and sign K-Mart & Darko to play back up center

AntwanBoldin · Post #616 » by **AntwanBoldin** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 5:16 am

Lopez is a bargain . They're starting to realize what his sweet spots are and stopped giving him the ball at half court

I've never seen a player on such a supposed irrelevant team be so hated on. He's our best player and if Dwight can't ever get healthy again then the lakers can forget it

AntwanBoldin · Post #617 » by **AntwanBoldin** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 7:09 am

Rob Mahoney :
J.J. Hickson, Portland Trail Blazers: Hickson doesn’t make all that much sense as a part of Portland’s rebuilding core, but that hasn’t stopped the fifth-year veteran from having a career year as a center placeholder. Though playing alongside LaMarcus Aldridge apparently yields the opportunity for any eager center to get their fill of rebounds, Hickson has surpassed any reasonable expectation by doing elite-level work on the glass. Reggie Evans and Anderson Varejao are the only players in the league to post a higher total rebounding percentage than Hickson, and it’s by his efforts alone that Portland is even remotely passable in any rebounding department. Hickson has had flashes of this kind of productivity before (most notably in 2010-11, in his last season as a Cavalier), but the consistency of this rebounding surge offers his game a new credibility.

PetroNet · Post #618 » by **PetroNet** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 3:47 pm

If there is anyway we can get boozer i think we should do it. i know his defense isnt great, but its no worse then we have now and that guy plays with a ton of passion. he is tough, and he plays hard.

if there is any way we can get him without giving up dwill/JJ/lopez/wallace we should do it. although the way he/they are playing i cant see it.

Humphries/Blatche/Brooks/future protected 1st?

Post #619 » by **NyCeEvO** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:20 pm

nycefnl wrote:Humphries for Lamar Odoms

and sign K-Mart & Darko to play back up center

Lamar Odom is way out of shape and unmotivated. He wouldn't be a net positive for us.

Darko is overseas and he's not coming back.

vincecarter4pres · Post #620 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 5:45 pm

PetroNet wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Exactly.

Fans don't make trades; GMs and franchises do.

Fans don't care about salaries and saving money. They just want to see their team win at any cost.

Assets are way more complicated than just how good a player is.

A team going from $5mil under the cap to the $17mil under for free agent spending is HUGE difference.

You go from being able to spend the money ona role player on the bench to just having a shade under a max salary contract in 2014 offseason. That's huge!

having 17 million in cap room for the wizards is pretty useless, since no one is going to want to come play there. whats the best case? that they slightly overpay a solid front court players? isnt that just the exact same thing they have now with Nene?

there is 0 chance they deal nene for cap room.

But yet a contender with Rose in Chicago should be dying to do the same with Boozer? When in fact it wouldn't even open actual cap room with their other contracts?

So much irony in this thread.

In fact more so then irony, it's basically just, hey I like this player, I don't like this one so I'll flip flop my reasoning and logic even though it makes no sense.

Welp...